“If a married woman hasn’t paid $130 to update her passport —assuming she has one, which only about half of Americans do— she may not be able to vote in the next election if the SAVE Act becomes law,” @wendyweiser.bsky.social tells Glamour
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I'm not in any of the demographics that are probably intended as the initial focus, but I was planning to get a passport last year for general travel. Then I got lazy and complacent.
It's probably not a bad idea to get your "papers" in order for contingencies. FFS, did I just say that in the US?
I think this is horrifying and I want it to fail. That said, wouldn’t it disproportionately affect Conservative women? And cause women to be less likely to take their husband’s name? I know the end game is to take away a woman’s right to vote, but this seems like a self-own intermediate step.
Republicans are going to hurt their own voters. Women in these states will be in trouble.
“In seven states, less than one-third of citizens have a valid passport: West Virginia, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, and Oklahoma.”
“four states…more than two-thirds of the citizens have a valid passport: New York, Massachusetts, California, and New Jersey…. New Jersey has the highest rate of citizen passport possession, with 4 in 5 citizens—or 80 percent—possessing a valid passport.”
Sent letters, using ResistBot, to my Congressional reps demanding they Vote No on the Save Act.
I'm 64. I've never had a passport. But I have Voted in Every election since I was 18. How dare these people threaten my ability to cast a ballot!
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Not mentioned, but this is also potentially really harmful to people under protection orders, who may have been exempted from needing their photo on their driver's license.
That’s a truck question. If there’s a filibuster, then the bill cannot advance to a vote without cloture. Cloture requires 60 votes to end the filibuster. Without cloture, the bill is essentially dead.
You’re not wrong. Conservative women are much less likely to have a valid passport or real ID than liberal women. This would actually do more harm to the conservative voting population.
It’s definitely not. Voter suppression is voter suppression no matter who benefits. But it’s ironic that this is how conservatives are repaying all those white women who voted for Trump.
If it's only an issue when a woman moves, they won't disenfranchise enough of us. They will soon realize they need to challenge registrations and conduct purges of the rolls to force us to re-register.
It takes time to get a passport and it's a pain in the ass if you're elderly or disabled. If they pull this close to an election and won't accept a birth certificate and a marriage license, we're cooked.
So I guess I'll go blow $130 and hours of my time on a passport I don't & and won't need -- I haven't been out of the country since 1968 and at 72 I'm not going anywhere now -- just in case.
I renewed my passport almost 2 yrs early bc likelihood of this administration gutting/effing up all the things is 💯. Note if don't know: you can use a passport/pp card in place of Real ID--that final deadline is May 7. You can get just the card if already have pp & expedite to get faster (is +$$).
Basically everything that can be used as photo ID in the US costs money to obtain. Direct fees, mail postage, getting the photo taken (for passports), etc. It was like $40-50 the last time I renewed my driver's license. That's two or three hours of wages for the typical American.
I got married to my current husband in 2015. I have absolutely been punished socially for not changing my name and for having him changed his. The pressure on him has been worse for sure.
When I needed mine because the government stopped accepting "certified copies", which has always been accepted in the past, my mother had to take a day off work and go pick it up at the hospital where I was born.
It's also worth noting that none of this is free otherwise either. I had to borrow money from relatives to get my documents together when I went to college, I never got a passport even when I lived right next to Canada due to cost,& I had to use welfare office docs to prove residency for a state ID
Most women I know do not have passports. Mine expired long ago and I have zero reason to renew it. Both my daughters do and one granddaughter. No one else I know has one. We've gone back about 400 years in time now, haven't we?
A passport is proof of citizenship. If you carry a married name, your passport will reflect that, so would be accepted. A driver’s license is NOT proof of citizenship, so you’d need a birth certificate to prove that, and the names between the two wouldn’t match.
The asterisk explained “*However, the Real ID Act of 2005 does not include a federal requirement for Real IDs to indicate citizenship status, and no state’s Real ID indicates citizenship status on the card. Legally residing noncitizens can also get a Real ID.”
Found it: “Additionally, driver’s licenses—including REAL IDs—as well military or tribal IDs would not be sufficient forms of documentation to prove citizenship under the legislation.*
Many married women still have passports with their maiden name and under this new act that will supersede any name change done at the DMV or local hall of records.
I mean, it might be because I live outside US and assuming as anything obvious it's a constant, but... do any document used as ID like SSN or driving license change when you marry in US?
The point is that you will need to show docs to prove citizenship to vote - so a birth certificate or passport.
If you got married and your name changed, it will no longer match those documents (if you got your passport pre-marriage).
Those who don’t pay for a new passport with new name can’t vote
I meant, if you can prove you are yourself with a passport after changing your name because of a wedding, it implies there's at some place a record where you are already included with an ID and your identity can be confirmed.
So, unless you can have a NSS/ driving license/ whatever document people already have to identify without matching that data - I repeat, IDK how it works in there- , I see no way (further than a poor excuse) how "We can't confirm your identity if you changed your name at the wedding" is reasonable.
They are trying to make it difficult by not explicitly saying you can show your birth certificate and marriage license as proof of name change. They are the documents you can use to get a SS card, license, passport etc in your new name. But they don’t seem to be good enough for voting.
I got it it was to make it more difficult, what I wasn't understanding was the reason given about other IDs, which I assume they are linked somehow to that birth certificate, are told not to be valid as well.
Having our married name match our name on our birth certificate is beyond ridiculous. Not to mention impossible. Do we have to match our birth weight also?
Add the SAVE bill to ur list when u call ur congressppl! This is meant to make it more difficult for women to vote!
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This can be corrected with allowing state election officials discretion. It still won’t cover people who do not have easy access to birth certificates.
You don’t have to justify a right. Citizens have a right to vote. It’s up to the government to reconcile this, not the individual citizen.
There's a link to an article that explains it, but since you asked: most women still change their last names to match their husbands' when they get married.
In order to (re)register, they would need to update their passport to show the name change, and that costs $130.
I'm for Europe so I might be wrong here, but I heard several states don't even accept passports as a valid form of voter registration ID's to begin with?
If you get married and change name, surely all your ID's needs to be updated to remain legal?
You would think! But states tend to have differing regulations. I know you have to update a driver's license after a name change. That has been a valid form of ID in many states so far. But the SAVE Act requires proof of citizenship. And you might not update a passport unless you want to travel.
I only read the article in glamour and I'm not a lawyer but it appears that the intention is to actually make it harder for women (among others) to vote.
What tangible steps now? Where’s a link to the specific form, line number, box to fill in for the Application.
None of that is clear in the article. Nor why a Marriage license isn’t enough to bridge the name change paper trail. Nor why a passport alone isn’t sufficient.
My late husband was adopted after his mother died in a car accident. His name obviously was changed, & his date of birth didn't match his original birth certificate, because someone made an error on his adoption papers. There are bound to be other adoptees who would be affected by the Save Act.
I was adopted, so I have a birth certificate with my birth name and one under my adopted parents’ name. When I got married I changed my name. My passport has expired. I’ve voted in every election so I don’t need to reregister. If I do it will be a hassle. I’ll fight against this bill.
People need to talk about divorced women too. Many don’t change their names back to maiden name because they want their children’s last name. So they wouldn’t even get to vote for their household. What about widows? No vote for their household.
Since there are more Republican women who change their name when they get married and/or don't have passports, I really don't care. (I'm not actually serious, just pointing out how easy it is to say you don't care about something when it doesn't affect you personally.)
"married" woman--does this mean any married woman, or just a woman who has changed her last name? Married men change their last names sometimes, too. And some people change their names even if they are not married.
Anyone who has a different name from what is on their birth certificate, and no passport (or Real ID). Doesn’t matter if you can present marriage license/certificate showing name change.
Yes, one could. But many people don’t have official copies of birth certificates. It’s an effort and an expense to have to get official documents. I had to pay to get my officl birth cert. Think of all those who are poor, or live in remote areas. It’s just another way of disenfranchising people.
Next he will restrict women from having bank accounts, buying property,having jobs above male counterparts and finally inprisonment,for refusing to be a baby maker for a bloke who has picked her as his womb
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It's probably not a bad idea to get your "papers" in order for contingencies. FFS, did I just say that in the US?
“In seven states, less than one-third of citizens have a valid passport: West Virginia, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, and Oklahoma.”
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-save-act-would-disenfranchise-millions-of-citizens/
“four states…more than two-thirds of the citizens have a valid passport: New York, Massachusetts, California, and New Jersey…. New Jersey has the highest rate of citizen passport possession, with 4 in 5 citizens—or 80 percent—possessing a valid passport.”
They want only enough that they can claim legitimacy based on elections
They’re fine with those elections being deeply unfair
Du hattest recht. Ist jetzt aus dem Text den wir da hatten nicht ersichtlich gewesen aber ja...
Ich hoffe immer noch aufn Klavier...
I'm 64. I've never had a passport. But I have Voted in Every election since I was 18. How dare these people threaten my ability to cast a ballot!
Text Resist to 50409
ResistBot will ask you a few questions to verify you're a voter and I'd your Reps in Congress & your state legislature.
Once that's done, just send Resist anytime you want to write a letter.
And by that I mean, throwing bricks with notes attached to them through windows.
How can one walk the halls of congress, and not slap the people who came up with this when they walk by? It must take a lot of patience.
Especially a problem if it takes some time to finalize the divorce, which can happen in abusive situations as well as others.
😏 You did this to yourselves.
I'll be surprised if any women can vote by the time he's dead or out of office.
I just want the c's who voted for this to know they did it to themselves.
And I want them to find out the hard way.
Perhaps I don't understand the problem because I'm Spanish and we have a national id and we don't need to register for voting
And you don't have to register for voting, it is automatic
Children get two names: father's and mother's (usually in that order, but it's ok to reverse them)
Alex Jones fucking destroyed America and we weren’t even watching, but they were listening to his dumb fucking words
I personally think it’s foolish for this very reason, but I am not “society.” I am a cranky fairly old lefty feminist
If you have deadbeat parents or something, it's pretty hard to get these documents.
When I needed mine because the government stopped accepting "certified copies", which has always been accepted in the past, my mother had to take a day off work and go pick it up at the hospital where I was born.
Birth certificate, SSA card, old license, residency proof are all required to get a real ID. Plus a marriage certificate if you changed your name.
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-save-act-would-disenfranchise-millions-of-citizens/
I mean, it might be because I live outside US and assuming as anything obvious it's a constant, but... do any document used as ID like SSN or driving license change when you marry in US?
I assumed they kept the same all along your life.
If your birth certificate or passport have the person’s maiden name it wouldn’t match the drivers license and they could be denied.
If you got married and your name changed, it will no longer match those documents (if you got your passport pre-marriage).
Those who don’t pay for a new passport with new name can’t vote
I meant, if you can prove you are yourself with a passport after changing your name because of a wedding, it implies there's at some place a record where you are already included with an ID and your identity can be confirmed.
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You don’t have to justify a right. Citizens have a right to vote. It’s up to the government to reconcile this, not the individual citizen.
Updated to what? How?
Say more.
In order to (re)register, they would need to update their passport to show the name change, and that costs $130.
If you get married and change name, surely all your ID's needs to be updated to remain legal?
In the EU a name change invalidates all your IDs.
What tangible steps now? Where’s a link to the specific form, line number, box to fill in for the Application.
None of that is clear in the article. Nor why a Marriage license isn’t enough to bridge the name change paper trail. Nor why a passport alone isn’t sufficient.
Just another reason for intelligent, independent women to never get married or get pregnant.
“We The People”.
These elected officials are a disgrace to democracy.
Repassem Popper, es urgent:
https://ca.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradoxa_de_la_toler%C3%A0ncia
I thought your only needed the real ID with the star ⭐ to vote