They act like I'm supposed to care that the president largely delegated the work of government to capable advisors and wasn't rage posting on Truth constantly
Seeing as a sizeable portion of the electorate grew fonder of Trump in his absence, I would not bet on this.
Biden deserves undying infamy for his complicity in the murder & displacement of 10s of 1000s of Palestinians, but the moral-rot of the American public is such that I doubt he'll get it
"unify this nation" especially, but even "return to normalcy" are pretty much impossible tasks for the government, being constantly sabotaged by Republicans.
He was the President. He could have gone all the way to a no-fly zone and received no consequences from the voting public. They don't give a shit about it foreign policy so he would have been fine.
Europeans didn't think his foreign policy was abysmal. Also, Israel/Gaza is important, but it's not everything. Some notable foreign policy accomplishments people never cared about:
But Israel/Gaza IS everything to a bunch of terminally online idiots who substituted any sense of personality or original thought for the vomit-spewed babble of Chapo and the like.
Also there's plenty of room for debate vis a vis US support for Israel, but at the end of the day we know Biden was restraining Netanyahu & also helped prevent broader regional war. He also kept a 2 state solution on the table till the very end & did ensure humanitarian aid + right of return to Gaza
As for reelection, if Dean Phillips could manage a centrist primary challenge, why couldn't anyone on the left? If Biden truly was so unpopular that he would have lost worse than Harris, why was nobody willing to actually test that assumption?
It's the "Bernie Sanders gave up being a true Independent to NOT run as an Independent but instead run as a Democrat, because he didn't want to hurt the Democrats," but then he kept running as a Democrat even after he was mathematically eliminated and the ONLY credible reason was hurting Democrats.
One thing that’s felt weird is how much ratfcuking bloviators wanted an open primary after the disastrous debate, but I didn’t see a single serious person raise their hand to be considered. I only remember Manchin and Williamson … anyone else?
Likewise in '12 when Bernard was going on about a potential primary attempt of the 1st BlackPresident™. Yet never could seem to actually getting around to do it. Perfect time for Bernard to jump into the frey was '24 when the lunkheads who fell for the Old Biden = Unpopular Biden scam. They blinked.
it wasn't a left v. right issue. democrats going into 2022 expressed varying levels of discomfort with a biden re-election campaign.
serious challenge were avoided due to better-than-expected midterms (then-attributed to biden) and aggressive moves by biden's aides to cut off avenues to primary him
And you're just speculating as to what "[Biden's] foreign policy instincts proved abysmal" might have meant. It was such a stupid comment, it's really not even clear what it was referring to.
I mean, yeah, that's part of why I wanted to push back against it, because it's a vague point (that, tbf, I ended up being right about the specific issue) that, once you drill down to it, turns into "well honestly it was kinda a toss-up".
Trump would have carried New York and New Jersey if Biden in the aftermath of the worst day for the Jewish people since 1945 went "lol fuck you! hail our martyrs!"
nope, they were not all so. He should have been more aggressive on Russia but he stood by Ukraine. He pulled us out of Afghanistan and ended the forever war.
but no you see, he didn't permanently fix America with the thinest of congressional majority, and minority party & supreme court desperate to torpedo every single thing he did so therefore, failure.
Playing it safe in Ukraine was because it was a proxy war with a nuclear power and I like that people's counterfactual for that is always that it would've been better. Like nobody ever entertains the counterfactual where things could've gone worse even when there's an obvious way.
i can appreciate the good things that emerged under biden's presidency, but it is hard to escape that his term—launched with a mission to save us institutions—led directly into a more empowered, vengeful trump administration
This kind of mentality is impossible to work with and you're taking yourself out of electoral discourse if you approach things this way. You aren't a single issue voter, you're a single point of failure voter, and mainstream politicians don't see any value in appealing to that attitude.
If you say that every good thing doesn't count because a bad thing came afterwards, then there are no good things. And the onus for the Trump administration is on, in fact, Trump.
this is not what i'm saying. to be direct, i'm judging biden by the criteria he set for himself at the outset of his administration. by that criteria, he did not succeed.
he left office historically unpopular with a nation that was more divided, with a democracy imperiled and a system in crisis.
Pulling us out of Afghanistan & ending the drone war were HIS choices.
Abiding by a 70-year-old foreign policy with a large veto-proof majority in Congress after Netanyahu finally pulled the trigger on the genocide he'd been working towards ever since helping assassinate Rabin in 1996, was not.
I don't think Biden handled Israel's war particularly well, but it's insane how many people think he could have ended it with a phone call
That was never, ever going to happen, because Netanyahu was deliberately using his long-planned conflict to influence the election to get Trump back in office
I think when we step away from the propaganda (which was insane around the time of the debate) he will generally be remembered as a very successful President the US was simply too stupid and blind to see come election time.
Like this statement, again, is an evidence of Anti-Biden lies from the Right punching through, as if you can somehow separate the success of his economic policies in swinging the US from the Worst-of-COVID to the Best-from-COVID. It's Republican propaganda - they separated the man from his work.
Everything Biden did wasn't Biden, it was [Deep State Actor], it was [Autopen], it was [Shadowy Cabal] and we miss DSA/Auto/Cabal but Biden was just there in a chair drooling when any brief perusal of the record shows he was there and in charge for all of it.
Yeah we're actually getting a very good glimpse of what it looks like when the President is senile & being used as an instrument by his advisors, & it looks nothing like Biden's presidency
It appears the tariffs are really what he wants though. I don't think any of his advisors are as gung ho about them as he is (many are pretty gung ho though)
He was benign senile, this one is senile and violently psychopathic and his Kriminal Kremlin Klan is the willing crew to implement things he talks about.
Have you considered that morally masturbatory shitprog TikTok videos are a fairly niche interest among Americans and most of them mainly care about their wallets and not dying of whooping sharts
It's so weird that someone who course corrected the economy and made it the envy of the world, eradicated my husband's student debt, and who presided with kindness and civility wouldn't engender positive feelings.
I'm sorry, infrastructure, student loan forgiveness and not trying to institute Jim Crow has me feeling positive feelings. I like a functioning CDC too.
I think Biden was not perfect but I have positive feelings towards him overall. From a legislative perspective he may be the most effective president in my lifetime.
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doubt many will feel many positive feelings toward the man himself
Maybe you don’t know very many people.
Biden deserves undying infamy for his complicity in the murder & displacement of 10s of 1000s of Palestinians, but the moral-rot of the American public is such that I doubt he'll get it
his foreign policy instincts proved abysmal. his decision to run for re-election and his admin's decision to treat trump gently proved disastrous.
Its ok to be jealous
If Biden had immediately cut off all support to Israel, Dems would have still lost the 2024 election, likely in even greater numbers.
His admin indicted Trump numerous times, SCOTUS made sure Trump wasn't convicted.
From both the left AND the right.
The right because he was "betraying our allies" and the left because he wasn't dropping those bombs on Israel.
He couldn't invoke a no-fly zone because Congress would've gone to the courts and gotten it blocked.
It's against US law not to support Israel.
And when you don't have the courts or the Congress - you have only the law
With HUGE assists from the execrable, corrupt Aileen Cannon (2023-2024) and Senate Republicans (2021).
GD MSM carrying oligarchs’ & autocrats’ water for them 🤬
serious challenge were avoided due to better-than-expected midterms (then-attributed to biden) and aggressive moves by biden's aides to cut off avenues to primary him
I actually liked him. And I judge others by how they reacted to him, *personally*.
(Joe Biden, the man, Everybody's Irish Uncle, was kind of a litmus test, that way...).
he left office historically unpopular with a nation that was more divided, with a democracy imperiled and a system in crisis.
Abiding by a 70-year-old foreign policy with a large veto-proof majority in Congress after Netanyahu finally pulled the trigger on the genocide he'd been working towards ever since helping assassinate Rabin in 1996, was not.
That was never, ever going to happen, because Netanyahu was deliberately using his long-planned conflict to influence the election to get Trump back in office
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzbhbetwYFU