Lots of extremely dumb replies from people insisting that Trump's 2020 EO that didn't actually do anything is why TikTok is banned (it's not). - ThreadSky

parkermolloy.com • 36 days ago

Lots of extremely dumb replies from people insisting that Trump's 2020 EO that didn't actually do anything is why TikTok is banned (it's not).

Reposted from Taylor Lorenz

Biden endorses the TikTok ban, Biden pressures Dem lawmakers to back the TikTok ban, Biden signs the TikTok ban into law, Biden has his administration defend the TikTok ban in court.

Liberals: Trump did this! 😭

Comments

jon-k.bsky.social•36 days ago

Biden is 100% the dumbass at fault for this, but the “Trump is our TikTok savior” part is also stupid as hell considering it probably never would have come up in the first place without him picking the fight out of nowhere that snowballed

alazer.bsky.social•36 days ago

Democrats are incapable of criticizing their own party.
Everything is always someone else's fault.

They're a cult.

rosecoloredgirl.bsky.social•36 days ago

I think perhaps the dumbest take I've seen so far is this one saying the TikTok ban is analogous to Reagan's backchannel negotiations with Iran during the hostage crisis because Trump wanted to ban it first

encinoman.bsky.social•36 days ago

Lots of dumb replies saying this is pushing teens to the fascist team. Both are dumb arguments.

parkermolloy.com•36 days ago

I mean, it's going to result in some younger people thinking Trump has their backs. Obviously, he doesn't. It's a win for him. What it amounts to is unclear.

encinoman.bsky.social•36 days ago

In 4 years it’ll be back in some capacity. If not, they’ll be the new thing. Meanwhile, while he has their backs, he’s deporting Hispanics, not making college or housing affordable.
I think the comments about driving young people to Trump is insulting to young people. Just a weak hot take.

very-simple.com•36 days ago

Even if the EO was the beginning of the idea (which, sure), the dems then took that idea and codified it into actual legislation that they passed and Biden signed, making it much more difficult for trump to EO our way out of it.

very-simple.com•36 days ago

Lotta folks taking murc’s law (blaming dems for not stopping things republicans in charge do) and misapplying it to a situation where the dems actually DID the thing.

sarablade.bsky.social•36 days ago

This right here. Biden DIDN'T veto it. Democrats DIDN'T vote against it. This isn't Democrats fixing the economy and Republicans taking credit. This is Democrats getting in bed with them to push the party further right.

alexianortonjones.bsky.social•36 days ago

Truth…. ✊🏽

mutt3030.bsky.social•36 days ago

it is dishonest to say trump has nothing to do with it. sure the dems get a lot of blame but trump started it and the gop pushed it because he wanted it.

mutt3030.bsky.social•36 days ago

It's almost like you are just ignoring the weight the GOP places on things Trump says he wants. The GOP controlled the house but its still the dems fault? Parker, Parker, Parker. You are regurgitating propaganda.

rhyzo.bsky.social•36 days ago

Ok, but there’s literally a fascist admin in the White House and the planet is dying, knowing exactly who banned Tiktok isn’t going to do fuckall, correct?

thepetershep.bsky.social•36 days ago

The Democratic Party

sonvar.bsky.social•36 days ago

It was very dumb of Biden to endorse and sign it. However, I don’t get why Congress seems to get a pass in all of this. At this point it would require Congress to undo this and I haven’t seen any legislator say they’d even contemplate it.

btketron.bsky.social•36 days ago

Okay, fine. Here’s a better recap:

Trump’s EO brought the subject up of banning it when NO ONE was really even discussing it. Red Scare BS because he felt hurt people were on there shit talking him over Covid.

btketron.bsky.social•36 days ago

Then the Red Scare BS morphed from Trump being butthurt over dissent on TikTok, to Biden and Congress seeing it as a security threat (when again…it was all about what propaganda they *want* us to see). Heat got turned up more when it was the main source of Pro-Palestinian videos.

btketron.bsky.social•36 days ago

None of them wanted the pro-Palestinian stuff in our hands/phones. As a result of the Red Scare stuff, anti-Israeli and anti-genocide content, Congress freaked out, and Biden caved.

But the first domino was Trump’s feelings being hurt by vids on TikTok about his ineptitude over Covid.

radicalrealism.bsky.social•36 days ago

This is the most cogent synopsis of this entire dynamic. EVERYONE else is talking out of their ass.

https://bsky.app/profile/btketron.bsky.social/post/3lg4435klpc2k

bethannewills.bsky.social•36 days ago

If an app shutting down pushes people to Trump, they deserve what they will get. If you were running your business, content, or whatever else off of a single social media app, you’re not doing it right. Be mad at TikTok today, they didn’t have to go dark, they chose to.

xoxoselene.bsky.social•36 days ago

I get that Trump started this with his executive order and him bringing it back isn't good either.

But Dems used the aid bill as an excuse to vote for the ban and cover up that they too wanted to ban the app.

Both parties worked together to get this to happen but then point the finger.

jeppa1.bsky.social•35 days ago

What Trump executive order🧐?

xoxoselene.bsky.social•35 days ago

During his first term, he tried to ban TikTok through an executive order.

gillant.bsky.social•36 days ago

Wasn't even much of a coverup. Biden actively advocated for the ban on its own

dgtech1.bsky.social•35 days ago

True, but it's also true that Trump stated he wanted a ban and performatively acted around it - which is worth remembering as he now "saves" you from it.

daisyanne.bsky.social•36 days ago

@taylorlorenz.bsky.social NBC news “Last April, the House voted 360-58 to force TikTok to divest or be banned. The bill, which was packaged together with foreign aid to Israel and Ukraine, passed the Senate by an overwhelming vote of 79-18.” So this was a factor so let’s be clear of the why.

daisyanne.bsky.social•36 days ago

B

August 2020
“Trump issues a sweeping but vague executive order banning American companies from any “transaction” with ByteDance and its subsidiaries, including TikTok. Several days later, he issues . .”https://apnews.com/article/tiktok-timeline-ban-biden-india-d3219a32de913f8083612e71ecf1f428

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polittlecat.bsky.social•36 days ago

When will we ever learn? This is what Democrats don't do and what Republicans have done so effectively for decades. Reframe it and constantly repeat that frame. Trump supported it, more Republicans than Dems voted for it. We constantly let them off the hook like this.
https://bsky.app/profile/mavill.bsky.social/post/3lg43hvj2p22h

aggiewill666.bsky.social•36 days ago

Congress did it. Biden supported it.

vekzero.bsky.social•36 days ago

Trump loved TikTok in 2024. Lots of his campaigning was there

parkermolloy.com•36 days ago

TikTok was not banned by executive order. It was banned by legislation that passed through Congress with bipartisan support and was signed into law by Biden.

melissanky.bsky.social•36 days ago

Yeah, because when Biden didn't continue the executive order, Felon34 instructed Rs in Congress to pass legislation. And since they do whatever they're told, they did. The ban is because of tfg, period.

lettersfromthewasteland.org•36 days ago

Senate was held by Dems. Schumer could've said "nah" and that's it.

511ian.bsky.social•36 days ago

Worth noting that it passed with a veto-proof margin.

jpango.bsky.social•36 days ago

"we are only observers of what happens in government while we control several branches of it and have no power to act" is not a compelling argument, actually

511ian.bsky.social•36 days ago

I made no such argument. Also the House was GOP controlled.

Anyhow, it shouldn't be lost that this passed with overwhelming Congressional support

jpango.bsky.social•36 days ago

"democrats and republicans in congress voted for this, biden signed it, and trump saved you from it" is an even better story for Trump. And again, this was entirely within the power of democrats to quash. That the vote was ultimately bipartisan makes that worse, not better.

mavill.bsky.social•36 days ago

Democrats being uncomfortable with using half-truths against Trump is a huge disadvantage.

You can't redo the past.

But you can call it the Trump Tik Tok ban if you want going forward. I just did! Nothing happened to me.

rhymenoceros.bsky.social•36 days ago

It was indeed a pretty even split

johnhagal.bsky.social•36 days ago

Intriguing that opposition in the House was mostly D while opposition in the Senate was mostly R.

Our Congress is "fun"!

rhymenoceros.bsky.social•36 days ago

Not that intriguing. Bipartisan.

The real problem is that anything is for sale in the Trump regime

pdthomas.bsky.social•36 days ago

Don't worry, no sane informed person believes these lie.

daisyanne.bsky.social•36 days ago

Let’s not forget according to NBC news “Last April, the House voted 360-58 to force TikTok to divest or be banned. The bill, which was packaged together with foreign aid to Israel and Ukraine, passed the Senate by an overwhelming vote of 79-18.” So this was a factor so let’s be clear of the why.

mama-alziza.bsky.social•36 days ago

digitalwatches.bsky.social•36 days ago

The bipartisan nature of the bill is a great introduction for the disproportionately younger voters it affects to the deep truth we are struggling to grasp as a nation:

None of these people represent us or our interests

parkermolloy.com•36 days ago

And yes, TikTok is being performative in actually shutting down the service for people in the U.S. in order for Trump to "bring it back" (they could have just kept operating as they were; the Biden admin said it wouldn't enforce the law). But this was a trap of Biden's own making.

oldohman.bsky.social•36 days ago

I'll be curious if there is any political fallout from this at all. Will tik tok users decide in two years to vote against the rights of their neighbors (and families) just so they can punish Biden/Dems for a tik tok ban?

tumescentnumpty.bsky.social•36 days ago

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/democrats-won-highly-engaged-voters-struggled-everyone-else-2024-rcna179957

oldohman.bsky.social•36 days ago

I don't know if tik tok users are highly engaged. I mean, I just haven't seen any evidence one way or the other.

tumescentnumpty.bsky.social•36 days ago

I don't think tik tok users would be considered highly engaged.

gillant.bsky.social•36 days ago

One way or another I think this will be largely forgotten by 2026/2028

alwaysroldy.bsky.social•36 days ago

Yeah. Biden stepped into the trap without a doubt. But it was put into motion by Trump and the republicans.

This isn’t that hard.

yorkealbarn.bsky.social•36 days ago

Youre wrong about 1 thing: whether Biden said he is going to enforce the law or not is irrelevant to the general counsels of apple and Google. Penalties for noncompliance are too severe

As long as the law is on the books, apple and Google aren't going to allow TikTok into their stores

quijohn.bsky.social•36 days ago

*hot dog man meme*

imi.baby•36 days ago

yes, the app not working is purely a technical block, u could see this esp early on as it would play videos for a second and then put up the message, the dems did this and gave trump this win. they’ll block it for a day and say trump saved it

imi.baby•36 days ago

which like smart politically because if trump is gonna be in charge for 4 years better make him look good on his first day with a bunch of people,

taylorlorenz.bsky.social•36 days ago

Ty! Just want to note that TikTok actually could not have kept operating as they were because the liability was put onto Apple and Google etc, who had to abide by the law or face billions in potential fines and other punitive action. Biden's team was aware the whole "non enforcement" line was BS

amas0.bsky.social•36 days ago

Many people struggling to understand that TikTok being available in the US is not at the discretion of a single company! Any one of a number of firms that run critical technical infrastructure could "shut it down" out of liability concerns. Makes any attempts to bring it back more complicated!

amas0.bsky.social•36 days ago

Also, assuaging the liability concerns of all in the chain is not at all guaranteed, short of passing a new law. If Trump claims non-enforcement or tries a retroactive 90 day extension, it's not obvious that Apple/Google/Oracle legal teams will buy that as legally sound

bvimarlins.bsky.social•36 days ago

oracle alone has a veto here on any plans Tiktok could have had for SURE.

astroattorney.com•36 days ago

It's still banned on Google Play Store. Did you check that out before you made your post? 🤷‍♀️ The whole TikTok ban started under Trump. I thought you were supposed to rely on facts.

dgtech1.bsky.social•35 days ago

That has literally *zero* to do with whether tiktok takes down their own servers and it is absolutely wild that you, the expert pontificating on this, do not know that.

nirgalm25.bsky.social•36 days ago

I don't think people understand how damaging it is for politicians to make these BS claims. People miss a lot of details but when you're constantly lying like this people can start to tell that you don't stand for anything

inlegalbeagle.bsky.social•36 days ago

First one I've seen that I can comment on, but Taylor, you've had me nodding my head in agreement all morning re: this.

docvivileandra.bsky.social•36 days ago

Well, the law has a statute of limitations of five years, and Apple and Google seem to not be confident in a promise of non-enforcement for that reason, and removed the app from their stores - TikTok's shutdown followed that.

It's still obviously malicious compliance, but there's a bit more to it.

yatpundit.com•36 days ago

you're blaming Biden. bless your heart.

typoaspraxis.bsky.social•36 days ago

The law was drafted, voted on, and signed entirely under the Biden administration. This is his law. He literally signed it into existence. Why is this hard to swallow?

yatpundit.com•36 days ago

it's not. but you're losing your shit over Biden at a point where Republicans are set to eviscerate Medicare and ACA. Your priorities are on Mars.

typoaspraxis.bsky.social•36 days ago

What on earth are you talking about? I am neither losing my shit nor do I have my priorities scuffed I just don’t think it makes sense to rewrite history to protect Joe Biden, in the least. Misinformation is always unhelpful.

wilsonh.bsky.social•36 days ago

Oh yes, poor little Biden, he was only the uhh... President of the United States

yatpundit.com•36 days ago

have a seat, son

wilsonh.bsky.social•36 days ago

Did you mean to reply to a different comment?

melodiesierra.bsky.social•36 days ago

There is a reason he did it this way.

dharlette.bsky.social•36 days ago

That one day shutdown was sufficient for me to go download rednote though.

philosopop.bsky.social•36 days ago

parker, did they ever share that document that Congresspeople saw and were bipartisanly shocked with whatever content proving that TT was a threat to National security?

quijohn.bsky.social•36 days ago

I don’t know what was in that document, but if it’s like the reporting on “why” it was banned it was likely garbage. Nothing TikTok could or was doing couldn’t already be done by any other app, foreign owned or not.

parkermolloy.com•36 days ago

Not that I'm aware of. We're just supposed to trust them, I guess 🙃

1bigreddog.bsky.social•36 days ago

And for this move alone, I'm out. I loved all night videos but I will quietly find something else to do with my time.

tumescentnumpty.bsky.social•36 days ago

getting cold feet at the end when you realize it's unpopular and promising non-enforcement so the when they do the political stunt you can't point and go, "Look! See!" is really the cherry on top.

mama-alziza.bsky.social•36 days ago

xdriver69x.bsky.social•36 days ago

Usreel ownership of it all is the most dangerous foreign adversary security threat. All this and zero mention of aipac controlling it all.

totaltim.bsky.social•36 days ago

So was Gaza. We get a ceasefire days before Trump takes office, after every Biden defender on social media said it was impossible/Trump would make it even worse.

Democrats got played.

itsjesustime.bsky.social•36 days ago

It's been pulled from all the stores. Unless all the app stores are performative as well.

parkermolloy.com•36 days ago

No, the pulling from the App Store thing was required. Shutting down the service in the U.S. was not.

jayreding.bsky.social•36 days ago

IIRC, some of the backend in the US is done by US companies that would be liable for proving those services. So it’s not just performative, any US-based company would be running an unacceptable risk in helping ByteDance ignore the ban.

darrelplant.bsky.social•36 days ago

Sideshow Bob running a company manufacturing rakes.

ahjohnson.bsky.social•36 days ago

Not sure vague promises of not enforcing the law mean the shutdown was performative, esp with Trump being as capricious as he is. The bill, as written, is pretty clear they have to stop operating in the US by Jan 19 2025 and I imagine this wasn’t a risk they wanted to take.

typoaspraxis.bsky.social•36 days ago

Exactly. Complying with federal legislation that names you directly seems like an obvious thing to do.

1loriking.bsky.social•36 days ago

American hypocrisy is always a bipartisan kick in the ass. As those who blame chinese & tik tok for disinfo but share everything on FB/X in public posts & allow selves to be manipulated, misinformed & meme'd into voting against best interests by russia/mercers/Gop dark $ merchants of doubt.

1loriking.bsky.social•36 days ago

The amount of progressives pissed off into staying home is how Gop/Trump played the game & many fell face first into it, that said dnc missed the play, missed their moments & were useful idiots for RW authoritarians to manipulate into going along to get along. Helpfully alienating progressive voters

pola.bsky.social•36 days ago

To be fair, the statute of limitations on this is 5 years. Biden's statements that he won't enforce it is not a guarantee that Trump won't change his mind or that the next President after him won't issue fines.

And it's also companies providing services to TikTok which could be liable. Complicated.

agill99.bsky.social•36 days ago

Yes, but a lot of people are conveniently forgetting Trump was in favor of the ban (and hammered Dems for being slow to get in board with his EO "ban")

parkermolloy.com•36 days ago

That EO had nothing to do with what's happening now.

johnhagal.bsky.social•36 days ago

Not directly, but isn't it safe to assume his EO spurred the support of the R's that sponsored and overwhelmingly supported it (until they didn't)?

agill99.bsky.social•36 days ago

I know, EXCEPT that TikTok is giving Trump credit for "saving" it in advance. And everyone else is like "yep, Trump was never against a ban"

occamsepilady1.bsky.social•36 days ago

Yeah, let's just entirely pretend this never happened and never got the ball rolling in the first place. Then a republican sponsored the bill that got it banned.

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-addressing-threat-posed-tiktok/

datashade.bsky.social•36 days ago

"If all your friends jumped off a bridge in order to defend national security, would you do it too" needs to be a question we start asking in primaries or something, jesus

anonymousturtle.bsky.social•36 days ago

Watch the John Oliver take on this. Because it has to do with$$$. Not politics. It's always $$$, and politics is now used to divide us.

jimbo75.bsky.social•35 days ago

😆 C’mon Girl, you are talking about Fatso’s “friends” 🤣

rscottp.bsky.social•36 days ago

Yep, the Democratic Party have only themselves to blame.

gerakion.bsky.social•36 days ago

Trump's opposition to China and later TikTok was extremely influential on his party (and the country). Trump and the GOP were absolutely a large part of why the app was banned, as were the Democrats agreeing with it. It was a bipartisan effort and it's weird seeing people forget that.

lisapien.bsky.social•36 days ago

More like lots of dumb replies from people ignorant of recent history. Ya know, from 5 years ago

unklebiff.bsky.social•36 days ago

And Democrats wonder why they lose so gotdamn always….

creedian.bsky.social•36 days ago

Trump “started” this road and then the billionaire owned politicians ran with it because they seen what a threat a communicating and informed people was. It actually just solidifies the Up Vs Down Narrative.

jofromeurope.bsky.social•36 days ago

It was bipartisan.

amidprivilege.bsky.social•36 days ago

But it's smart to post the meme saying Trump did this! It's not lie, and it may deflect the narrative. This is what Trump himself does so well!

polittlecat.bsky.social•36 days ago

Bingo! This is why Dem messaging sucks. We constantly let Republicans off the hook. When will we ever learn?

amidprivilege.bsky.social•36 days ago

And we the terminally online who want the Republicans out are PART of the Democratic Party's messaging, whether we like it or not. We're the authentic voice. We're the fired up. We're the sarcastic and witty and enraged. The question is: how to best do our part?

polittlecat.bsky.social•36 days ago

yes we are, and we need to stop helping Republican messaging which is what I see happening by downplaying Trump and Republican's role in this TikTok ban while blaming Biden. This happens way too much.

polittlecat.bsky.social•36 days ago

We need to take a page from how effective Republicans are at doing this which is why Dems are blamed for everything.

amidprivilege.bsky.social•36 days ago

I agree. I was wondering this morning what satisfaction they get, what emotional need is met, by spending more energy on criticizing someone who came close to what they wanted than on someone who's against them in every way.

polittlecat.bsky.social•36 days ago

it enrages me. And what's worse is that they don't even recognize what they're doing and lecture the rest of us about how dumb we are.

gwyn94.bsky.social•35 days ago

Thank you! Democrats deserve valid criticism, but sometimes people get so caught up in that that they seem to forget to hold Republicans responsible for any part of it. People unknowingly end up propagating right wing messaging in their attempt to dunk on Dems

amidprivilege.bsky.social•35 days ago

You're welcome! My mission is to remain calm, focused and rational. Or, at least, scream offline;)

jordancoots.bsky.social•36 days ago

We have video evidence of Trump stating tiktok should be banned. He truthed it this past week. Hello, he is taking responsibility for it himself but now he gets to swoop in and "save" it so he can what, say he's the hero? No.

parkermolloy.com•36 days ago

Jesus Christ, man. Yes, he said it should be banned years ago. And then BIDEN banned it.

polittlecat.bsky.social•36 days ago

JFC, if it was the other way around, you don't think the Republican's would be relentlessly tarring Biden with it? When will we ever learn how to message like they have done for decades? Why do you think people blame Dems for everything? And what's worse is that we help them.

bathurststbagels.bsky.social•36 days ago

By that logic, would Trump be responsible if Biden restarted the border wall?

alanmichael94.bsky.social•36 days ago

I think people are bringing up the Trump ban because he is trying to write a narrative that he will save TikTok (no doubt partially to gain favor with young voters), not to absolve dems for the part they played.

janeqpublic.bsky.social•36 days ago

Who will forget Nancy Pelosi gleefully and condescendingly standing up at the pulpit performing her “Tick. Tack. Toe” line about killing the app. I won’t