True, the reason why we write essays is not to show someone 'I know this well', but to (put it simply) learn 'this' better, to generate more meaningful connections (between things we know), - the list goes.
Maybe LLM should detect students by their requests and explain this fact to them.
AI is a farce. It’s humans pretending to be robots pretending to be humans.
Furthermore, AI is exploitative of the real people that make AI possible. This includes the actual artists and writers…. as well as the real people who have to watch and tag often disturbing videos so that AI can learn.
Personally, I am very anti homework
Even as a kid, I just flat out refused to do it cos I wanted to keep school & home life separate & felt homework intruded on that
yeah, i think both ideas can coexist of ai generation being harmful and unethical, and the school system being flawed in valuing correct answers over actual learning. with more nuance and details of course than is allowed in a small bsky reply hahaha
I can't argue with this. AI just ruins writing. It is destroying society in so many ways. You really miss out if you're not doing the writing yourself.
Try writing in long hand; or, on a non digital machine; like, a manual typewriter.
I promise, before handing it in, if it was an assignment, you will have done so many revisions that it will now be, if nothing else, a well written piece.
When you have to discard a whole page, in order to make small fixes, you will know what I mean; or, you won't care; and, will turn the piece in without the small fixes; which, is just lazy; and, will shine through in your writing.
Obviously generative "AI" like ChatGPT is heinous and should be banned from academia (and everywhere). But you know, autocomplete and grammar check and suggestions, even Clippy, that Word have had for, what? 25 years, are also "AI".
Nobody considers those AI so my question is probably obtuse
What's intelligent about ChatGPT? The only difference is that it seems intelligent. Like when your cat looks at you a certain way and you imagine they're thinking something really clever. They figured out a way to take Clippy or Eliza and fool us into anthropomorphizing it like we do with cats
I don't think I could explain specifically, define intensively, why getting help from your semi-literate friend, or a professional editor, or using Clippy or autocorrect, or using ChatGPT are different things. I guess some give bad advice. With others it's cheating
Also I'm not sure it's obvious that having some light grammar correction, and heavy spelling correction, makes anyone a worse writer or harms anyone. Mostly it helps writers increase their output, get more practice, carry out more revisions, which are all probably good.
This.
AI is central to today's society, many things such as hospitals relies on it and it play a capital role. It is important not to confuse it with GenAI, which doesn't have any benefit that isn't outweight by it's cost
And while it's obvious to most, there IS some people less educated on the subject who don't know the difference and seeing "AI" all the time they are led to think that AI in general is bad. Especially when GenAI is taking so much place in the conversation
"If you outsource your writing, you are outsourcing your thinking"
This is such a potent formulation. I will use it in my arguments with my own students I think.
I fully agree with her. I have to stop the use of AI in my Professional Communications class (MS level). What do I do with someone who submits a randomized trial after only 8 weeks of class? Which they clearly in no known universe could have done, for a million obvious reasons? Sigh, pull hair...
You can find my video here. I put a lot of thought into how to approach this from a stance of guidance without alienating students by being overly critical. It was a challenging line to walk.
This is such a great way to frame your AI policy! I work as an instructional designer, and I've been getting a lot of questions from instructors on "what to do about AI." I used to teach Comp 101, so I LOVE that you focus on the process of learning. Can I use this video as an example?
Boy I'm glad I got the context for the video first because on its face I really thought that thumbnail image meant it was going in a totally different direction.
I think I parsed "AI Course Policy" as being more likely to indicate that you ran some kind of course on how to use AI and were painting yourself as some sort of ethical AI "artist," when obviously in hindsight you meant your policy on students using AI to complete coursework.
This is really helpful feedback. I’m still figuring out how to make effective video thumbnails, and this is definitely an oversight. Thank you for sharing! I’ll have to think about it.
AI are a vital part in today's society. We use them in hospitals, transports, and many other places yiu wouldn't suspect. It literally help saving lives. This have nothing to do with GenAI and must not be bundled with it. We could do without GenAI, we couldn't do without AI anymore
True. Thank you for the clarification. But we were specifically talking about "in the classroom." By classroom, I'm thinking of high school or younger.
Children need to learn how to think critically before they outsource their creativity.
Of course, and I agree with you. Still, I beleive it is important to make the distinction so people who know less about AI don't end up thinking "AI bad" because of the GenAI.
I always read these with a lot of different feelings because
Yeah sure word generators are terrible.
But so are our classrooms and our education systems.
Pretending that the word generators endanger something great, now admitting that education needs to change and is also terrible and asking why
If you've really had this many conversations with students and have come out with this opinion, i don't think you were actually listening to them.
That's not a conversation. That's a directive.
I recommend maybe asking your students why they are using it and seeing what you can do to help.
She's that professor who weaponizes her education against others. Why would she lower herself and teach those students? Imagine if she did her actual damn job and talked to her students instead of running to the internet? Hey, by her logic she should have mailed a handwritten letter to the papers.
why the students aren't doing the assignment? or does "laziness doesn't exist" only apply when its not getting in the way of your reactionary politics.
They don't see the importance of doing it themselves, they just see another tedious chore they have to do, so they use AI to cut corners so they can use that time in other stuff they prefer. That's not laziness, more like lacking insight and wisdom.
You know literally nothing about my politics lol and what does that have to do with anything, anyway? Learning how to write is a skill one needs to practice. Why are the students arguing with her about this? This is the work for the class. Just do it or drop the class.
Thank you to everyone for your kind remarks. I adore how "I will, with love, set you on fire ..." struck such a chord with so many people. When I put that on threads, I got reported for threatening violence and violating TOS.
Hi! Thank you for speaking up about AI Rebecca. I come into conflict with relatives, friends, and colleagues way more often than I thought - specifically about AI.
Being able to tap into a larger pond of thought to illustrate arguments about AI is SO important. What you said is heard and useful 💕
I work in tech & companies are trying to set up AI just because everyone else is. The reality is these companies have nothing else to sell you so they’re all-in on AI, and they hope the tech catches up to the promises they’ve made.
It’s so tiring because it’s ONLY about profit. Nothing else.
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Laziness prevails, and, wins elections for fascists.
Maybe LLM should detect students by their requests and explain this fact to them.
Furthermore, AI is exploitative of the real people that make AI possible. This includes the actual artists and writers…. as well as the real people who have to watch and tag often disturbing videos so that AI can learn.
Even as a kid, I just flat out refused to do it cos I wanted to keep school & home life separate & felt homework intruded on that
If you don't want to do homework for whatever reason, just refuse to do it!
Don't bullshit about it
I promise, before handing it in, if it was an assignment, you will have done so many revisions that it will now be, if nothing else, a well written piece.
"Why should I be bothered reading a book that someone couldn't be bothered to write?"
... I think we can apply that to ANY literary endeavor in which someone just plugged an idea and let the program spit out text.
Nobody considers those AI so my question is probably obtuse
I don't think I could explain specifically, define intensively, why getting help from your semi-literate friend, or a professional editor, or using Clippy or autocorrect, or using ChatGPT are different things. I guess some give bad advice. With others it's cheating
AI is central to today's society, many things such as hospitals relies on it and it play a capital role. It is important not to confuse it with GenAI, which doesn't have any benefit that isn't outweight by it's cost
Fit for purpose doesn't mean no consequences.
A guitar and the hydrogen bomb are both excellent instruments. One for hey there Delilah the other for destruction.
A good drum machine isn't created by unethical means, by abusing people. AI is.
Its still just a glorified metronome.
This is such a potent formulation. I will use it in my arguments with my own students I think.
Let's not bundle our good old AI with it.
The nuance is destroyed and that works for them...sucks bad
Children need to learn how to think critically before they outsource their creativity.
Yeah sure word generators are terrible.
But so are our classrooms and our education systems.
Pretending that the word generators endanger something great, now admitting that education needs to change and is also terrible and asking why
No?
https://youtu.be/sLgb-g4jvj8?si=SV2Gz9ugvcf4LAxt
That's not a conversation. That's a directive.
I recommend maybe asking your students why they are using it and seeing what you can do to help.
Being able to tap into a larger pond of thought to illustrate arguments about AI is SO important. What you said is heard and useful 💕
It’s so tiring because it’s ONLY about profit. Nothing else.