So he can't do this, and it's going to be pretty interesting and telling to see how people treat that fact and everything that proceeds from it IMO
Reposted from The Washington Post
Breaking news: The U.S. government will no longer recognize the citizenship of children born in the United States to immigrants who lack legal status, one of 10 immigration-related executive orders President-elect Donald Trump plans to sign Monday, an incoming administration official told reporters.

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That order is unconstitutional , should be ignore and lawsuits against Trump should be filed.
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Thank you so much for this. It’s not an edge case. The court still might allow it but we shouldn’t just throw up our hands and say nothing matters. That is what the Trumpists want us to do.
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Pooping the bed right out of the gate, I see.
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How would this EO work? Do they round people up? Or is it take away voting rights? How do you go through and determine who had foreign born parents? State by state and if states don’t comply? Do they just grab people and declare their parents weren’t citizens?
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He can and will

And scotus will say the constitution is only meant with a starting basis in “citizen” so if you’re not a citizen too bad

Plus he can go back to 1776 to decide who is a citizen with this

End goal; anyone guilty of any crime will lose citizenship
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Also since due process and other stuff is only for citizen, the loss of citizen will be applied before “law and order” “justice”
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So all the pregnant Russian women paying $$$$ at Florida properties to take advantage of dual citizenship for their future spies, I mean offspring, are SOL? Why do I think there will be “exceptions”?
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He’ll pull the excuse of “well I told them to do it and they didn’t do it, don’t blame me, blame the people who were against it.” Which I think is a card he’ll wear thin
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Let the lawsuits begin!

Taxpayer money down the drain.
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Speaking of Ivanka……
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Never mind this would take an amendment in the constitution…
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There's going to be a very popular strand of online argument which says "Well he just DID!" either because "useless libs don't get it anymore!!" or because "you fools, you clowns, the law means nothing now" and that is very much a mix of ignorance and surrender masquerading as cynicism IMO.
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Fair, but I need to hear more acknowledgement that many constraints on Trump have failed, and a realistic discussion of what constraints exist and how they function.
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Amen, brother. Believing them all-powerful is just another form of surrendering in advance.
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I agree that it's important not to pre-surrender.

But I think it's also important to change how we think about these issues, from "Can he do that?" to "Who's going to stop him?"
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Yes and I’ve of the mind that people want a king. They know the dysfunction in government is deliberate. I think it’s most effective to hit home how they are being scammed.
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Pomp and Circumstance, guests arriving—
I watch, hopeful for justice.
Crooked roads end badly;
Biden says,
"Welcome home."
Dignified yet ominous,
America's fate uncertain.
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Well. These days you can be convicted of 34 felonies and get sentenced to absolutely nothing, not even having to appear at the sentencing jn person.

So I don't know if the law is a that important.
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I don't think it's ignorance to acknowledge the fact that Trump has gotten away with violating the law time and time again, and that SCOTUS has granted him immunity from prosectuon for breaking the law in the future.
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It seems very popular for us to all scold each other and tone police right now. Very productive.

(Yeah, I know I'm doing it too)
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This is not an edge case or him 'exploiting the ambiguities of office' or something. It's a basic legal fact, settled extremely conclusively by an *extraordinarily* right-wing court in the 1890s. This is unconstitutional nonsense and it isn't going to happen
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Oh man. I truly wish I had your confidence, but I’m not sure that it’s a matter of jurisprudence so much as political power anymore. They are trying to reshape the rules under which we legislate. They know their agenda is not popular except in that it disrupts institutional power.
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The same court that decided Plessy v Ferguson said this. Imagine.
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Could the current far-right court throw out even that precedent in favour of just completely making something up? Certainly they could try. But it would be an outlier even from their prior decisions, and most importantly, *there is zero-need to pre-surrender to that now*
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MAKE THEM OWN IT. Who wins when you roll over for them without any pushback? Jesus wept, people.
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He is not a dictator. He is constrained. Those constraints are looser than they should be but they exist, and they need to be used at every possible turn for as long as necessary to get the country and like, global liberal democracy through this.
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If the law doesn't matter, if he is a king, make them say it over and over again until people can't stand it and can't stand him.
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If the law doesn't apply to him, then it doesn't protect him right?
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Yes! Yes! Yes!
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I think at some point he removes any veneer of legality and goes straight on with "Guys with guns pointed at you just gave you a command" kind of governance, at which time the courts become moot

Then we have to decide just what resistance entails
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"This is unconstitutional nonsense and it isn't going to happen"

Every lawyer in the lead up to US vs Trump just before they ruled with no basis that the President was immune to criminal charges.
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Him being in office is against the Constitution. And yet.
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I don’t think recognizing that the US legal system is head and shoulders the worst in any developing country is surrendering. We waited for it to save us and it did not. Realistically, states will stop issuing birth certificates and the mess will work itself through the system.
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After the immunity decision it would be ridiculous to assume the SCOTUS Trump loyalists won’t find some stupid argument to grant Trump’s interpretation. I’m sure the people who vouchsafed Roe was safe will reliably inform me why I’m ignorant.
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The fact remains, though, that the system has expended any pretense of legitimacy and preemptively lending legitimacy to SCOTUS in the hope of shaming the shameless seems fanciful.
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I do struggle with the doom version of that mentality but I’m also sick and tired of hearing “they can’t do X” right up until they do, in fact, do X and the institutions that are supposed to stop them fail un every way to do so.
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I struggle extra hard after hearing for a year that Dem admin cannot impose a ceasefire
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Incomprehensible.
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Totally agree about the ignorance and surrender masquerading as cynicism. But will also grow weary of the “They can’t do that, it’s unconstitutional!” naifs. We’re in uncharted waters now and we need to see clearly without naivete or cynicism.
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Isn’t this in the Constitution?
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Correct
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Who is going to stop him? The constitution doesn’t have an army, and even if SCOTUS rules against him, which is not a given, who’s going to stop it? The GOP control the house and the senate. They want this and they will never remove Trump. So how does it get stopped?
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Exactly
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if necessary, how South Korea stopped their insane clown. a grandma pulled a gun out of a cop's hand!
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but mostly it was just a mass of nonviolent people in the streets
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Underrated issue for trump is going to be dealing with all the other gop politicians who will see any of his power moved as a direct threat to their power
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What would be more helpful imo, for people like myself whose opinions aren’t influential and who are in no position to materially fight this directly, is to know where and when the first constitutional challenge to this will be and by whom, so we know where to throw our support.
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Dictator on day one and the MAGA GOP cult clearly thinks the Constitution is irrelevant. So. Disgusted.
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Fake it till you make it, baby
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bluesky today has been nothing but this:
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This part of their attempt to flood the zone with the most outrageous bullshit they can muster in an effort to overwhelm us and get us to check out so they can ram through their agenda. They’re betting on us giving in, and we can’t let that happen.
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They’ll treat like he can do it and then he’ll be doing it and then nothing else will happen and he’ll do this with a bunch of other shit too. Truly nothing at all matters anymore and probably never will again
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The really interesting thing is that birth certificates are handled super locally. Not just state level—the admin is county level stuff. We’re talking about individual clerks and hospital administrators who are going to have to enforce this.
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Some clerks and hospital administrators and nurses are going to go out of their way to be monsters and threaten undocumented parents but others are going to do the opposite. It’s going to be really easy to circumvent this because there’s no “parents citizen” box on birth certificates
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Doesn't he just need whichever agency happens to be involved agree to enforce his orders?

"I work for the president"

Unconstitutional but who's going to stop him?

He's installed completely weak supplicants in charge of these agencies.

Not trying to be chicken little, seriously asking.
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"He can't do this"

Umm, does ICE know that? Because we've seen that historical precedent and the constitution don't matter in the hands of this Supreme Court.

He can sow havoc even before the court answers.
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Muthafkn Washington Post is entertainment propaganda! Not news!! Bezos needs to GTfO
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