Immigration is an issue tho like it or not. People can bleat on about how important it is to the economy, but unfortunately they aren't feeling it and will follow the logic of "more people = more stress on existing systems therefore removing more people means the systems are great!"
Deportation flights where applications have been given due process and they are deportations to actual safe countries (not fictitiously 'safe' Rwanda) are not a bad thing, are they?
What's the objection?
I agree re Comms and perception but this is normal government necessity, no?
If these were people who had been assessed and failed in their asylum claims, surely removing them is simply efficiency - and wasn't that one of the things we argued would be better under a Labour government?
It’s a shit show. And we can see what’s happened in the US and ought to be able to make a rapid course correction but without any alternative to trad party politics or electoral reform, we might as well just read horoscopes and hope for a miracle
I don't think we'll get Reform. I think that Labour and Conservative will see them start to make gains and will just co-opt their policies because they think it will win votes. Which is even worse because they don't even truly believe the hateful rhetoric.
What? You can't deport people unless they fail an asylum claim. We may need immigrants but we need to clear the backlog of asylum claims more than anything.
I am daily more convinced that the next govt. Will be Reform and, frankly, the prospect is frightening. Labour have to pull all the stops out, not least with effective communication, to avoid this.
The difference I see is this: all lives are of equal value. Nobody is superior to another for reasons of faith or not. There has to be a control on immigration: just not motivated by racism.
There’s more to racism than the colour of a person’s skin. As an Irish man who’s been living in London on and off for almost 40 years I have first hand evidence of it.
You are entitled to your opinion. Have a look at the setting fire to a hotel, a weekend of rampaging thugs attacking police on the fabricated lie on the ethnicity of a murderer and convince me racism doesn’t exist in the immigration debate.
When Farage is in power and says "we will organise the three largest deportation flights in history, Labour's open borders have failed" I trust all the centrists in my mentions saying "this is fine his tie is red" will be chuffed to bits.
I have to ask, is it actually a terrible right wing thing to do to process the people coming in and if they don't pass the asylum check to deport them? Isn't that just law enforcement? It'd be horrible if they didn't see their applications and deported by default, but they do review them.
The system is deeply broken; deporting people who are at risk of death, torture, or both. In addition, it is byzantine by design, making it very difficult for vulnerable and often traumatised people to cope with successfully.
It should actually be abolished. If people want to live here... let them!
"I don't mind if the PM, a former human rights lawyer, talks about people from other countries in a way that dehumanises them, as long as he's from my team"
Yeah, the way Labour have decided they need to pander to the very worst arseholes in order to keep a bunch of shit rag papers on side (which they're not anyway) is incredibly depressing.
Closing replies coz people are fighting and my mentions are really annoying. But if it makes you feel better to say I am stifling free speech or can't cope with pushback go for it x
This is one of the key issues for me: the rhetoric. I'm generally a more open than shut borders type of guy, but I'm not an absolutist, and I can see that some circumstances necessitate deportation. The problem is when we're triumphalist about it. It's an occasionally necessary evil, not a victory.
On the plus side, if the Torys and Reform merge, you can start referring to them as Toryform and do a parody song about them based on the old bodyform ads.
Feck Politics, Mega-Corporations, Misogynistic/Xenophobic Religions, Borders and payRoyalty! Our Only Priority is to rescue Mother Earth from heterosexual Men, addicted to fast and dirty, suicidal non-solutions.
Trying to hold off the bams by becoming a low alcohol version of them is exactly the mistake the Democrats made and it never works. Hysterically when he finally crashes and burns the cry from Streeting, Mandelson et al will be that it was because he was ‘too woke’.
It'll be like UKIP, where Labour and the Tories will adopt Reform policies and proudly declare Reform defeated after they lose seats because all their voters just voted for the mainstream party that became them.
They seem to see "defeating the far right" as purely a game of seats, not ideology.
This is the pattern, populist nutjobs get elected and screw everything up to be replaced by well-meaning moderates who fail to address issues that voters think they care about, only to be replaced by populist nutjobs again. Repeat.
That would be the poor sods in Labour who are trying to fix an unholy mess while still trying to pander to the rabid right-wing press. Personally I voted for the water slide guy.
To me, if you are prepared to risk death and trek across a couple of continents to put up with our unpredictable weather and soggy fish and chips, because *here* is where you want to make a life, then you sound like the kind of self-motivated hard-working person we need.
This is ideological appeasement. It normalises Reform's horseshit. Rather than shut down the right, people will simply demand the full fat version. Who's making the case for immigration? *Crickets*
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What's the objection?
I agree re Comms and perception but this is normal government necessity, no?
That's by design.
They are creating a future where "socialist" is not just dirty word politically, but a political death sentence.
It should actually be abolished. If people want to live here... let them!
They seem to see "defeating the far right" as purely a game of seats, not ideology.