What you are missing is that the 33rd nation is PROUD that they don't have universal health care. They look DOWN on the 32 nations that do. They think not having it makes them better, freer, more intelligent. We just see them as selfish pricks that die younger and in way more debt than us.
Yes. Our federal government coordinates the provision of health care along with the provinces. One of the reasons drugs are so cheap here compared to you is that the gov. buys in bulk for the whole country. (and has laws against gouging.) Not saying universal HC has no problems but debt isn't one.
theres 37 developed nations, but still only 32 of them have universal healthcare. stop telling ppl americas the only one who doesnt. sucks that we dont have it, but lets not spread misinfo to make people more annoyed about our situation
I think a system which has both single payer and private insurance options is the way to go. There's pros and cons of UHC and anybody who thinks it's a fix-all with zero blowback is in a dream world.
Americans will never get free health care until the 1 % capitalist mentality is destroyed. Guns and Big pharma are apart of the 1% and Republicans only serve in their best interest.
People have been brainwashed into thinking health insurance is cheaper than a tax increase; that's split among everyone. i'd bet the tax increase would cost less than the insurance costs + out of pocket expenditures. Prices are only so high because insurance companies made it that way.
Yes everyone taxed at the same rate Even if it was a tax spread to everyone it'd be cheaper to pay it than insurance + copay expenses. Insurance companies made the prices so high in the first place.
Not to mention the cost of productivity lost to working with the insurance companies, trying to price medicine, needing to change medicine brands trying coupons, making sure your prior authorization has been approved and so on.
Yeah and the tedium networks and covered treatment and medications are. The health and lives of a living people shouldn't be put second to money. They're taking our money and taking our most precious resource... Time. Health care should be easy and affordable.
There are pros and cons to Universal health care… Americas system is broken no longer true insurance model… However still advantages to systems ration health care… shouldn’t have to wait months for surgery as many do in England etc… some truth that these systems do not spur innovation!
Delays are down to having a Tory gov't for 14yrs that starved our NHS of funds. Personally I was treated for a bowel tumor. I was operated on 6 days after diagnosis. I had a detached retina re-attached within 24 hours of being diagnosed. Maybe try facts in future not the propaganda you've been fed
… and trust me, I’m no big fan of Americas system… plenty of health care deserts where not enough specialist to serve those in need… I live in an area with high levels of diabetes and thyroid disease… only 3 practices serving 500k people… simply ridiculous!
I’m glad and thankful you have had good outcomes… bottom line the wealthy worldwide flock to US health centers like Cleveland Clinic, Mayo Clinic MD Anderson Sloan Kettering, Duke … no insurance no state paid medicine… just there for the results regardless of the price!
Aha! the idiot "these systems do not spur innovation"...spoken like a product of the American indoctrination system..here, try a little education as opposed top propaganda...just a couple of innovations from the UK in 2024..there are others
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..their idea of universal health care ain't even balanced much less universal!
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What i don’t get is that the solution is very simple; just have CEOs lobby for a single-payer system. Health insurance companies get abolished, and now no one is threatening the lives of these people, anymore. That LITERALLY solves two problems with one solution.
Henry J. Kaiser solved the healthcare problem in the 1940s. The issue today is the selfishness of billionaires. Kaiser didn’t become as wealthy as Musk because he prioritized his workers. He built homes, schools, rec centers, parks, and created the first integrated corporate healthcare system.
And it works in many less developed countries as well. Some even have better healthcare systems than we do. The US has about 4.4% of the world's population yet had about 18% of the fatalities from the COVID-19 pandemic
As Americans stationed overseas for several years, in two countries, we had the privilege of using universal healthcare. Traveling to two other countries and having to go to their ER’s, we were charged €50 and €75, respectively!
Totally get where you're coming from! Universal healthcare is a tough nut to crack, and each country's situation is unique. It's interesting to see how different systems work out for them. Maybe there's a balance we can find that works for more nations in the future!
Athletes at the Paris Olympics hit free health care NOT because they were in the Olympics but because they qeee in France. - it freak out Americans so much, they couldn’t stop going to doctors to get anything they needed from the routine office visits to complete dental work
Most rich people are trumpers. Because they want the tax reductions and the convoluted tax system that allows the richest to pay exactly 0 in taxes. People think billionaires get there by working hard. Actually it's by using other people's skill, effort and even their money. No philanthropy at all.
I just got hit with a big bill for a mammogram & ultrasound, saying it's part of my (also big) deductible. We can afford it, but so many people can't...and it shouldn't cost so much for preventive care. Really stunning how bad it's gotten.
We pay taxes for it. But we can go to the doc or the hospital everyday if we want. If we lose our job the government takes over and nothing changes.
Capitalism may be nice. But they shouldn't be in charge of healthcare, education etc...
Germany here, btw...
Maybe you can explain this to me. I was born there but moved to the US at 15. My sister lives there and keeps telling me that there is no universal healthcare in Germany and you have to pay for insurance. Granted, much less than here but… she’s also kinda right leaning and I
The German law requires that anybody (except....) has sufficient health insurance coverage.
If you work, you pay half the fees, the employer pays the other half. If you're unemployed the unempl. insurance will pay the fees.
If you are without financial means, the state will pay the insurance.
Sometimes find myself correcting some misinformation she’s internalized. How does it actually work over there. Also I’m pretty close to moving back because at this point, fuck America.
We pay a percentage from our income for healthcare. She is right, it's not free but it is based on your income. If you earn less, you pay less..
If you are unemployed, the goverment takes over.
The crazy thing is that the Excited States spends roughly twice as much per person on healthcare as other developed countries. Half of that spending is by the government, and the rest by its citizens. All of that spending results in worse health outcomes than the UK, Canada, etc. Crazy!
Also, healthcare in USA is competitive. Last time I looked there was no government break on expensive treatments and equipment. So figuratively speaking two cancer hospitals could beside by side competing for patients. Extrapolate to MRI machines and similar.
I'm living in a community with a regional hospital that is unable to fix a broken arm or deliver a baby. My wife needs a dermatologist, but the wait is 18months. Our studies have shown the Germans, British and Scandanavians to have much better systems.
All you need to truly understand our system is to know that we'll take a ride share to the hospital to avoid getting billed thousands of dollars for the ambulance, and the average cost of a three day hospitalization is $30,000, and we rarely get more than five days paid medical leave per year.
Some of that issue is employment standards. I get 16 days medical leave per year. The shocker about the US system for me was the story last week about a lady having her insurance deny a medical claim for a rape kit as it was an elective procedure.
Our employment standards are pretty deliberately miserable, yes. Not likely to get any better if Republicans get their way and eliminate minimum wage laws.
And yeah, the US has a major case of rape culture. A lot of our politicians are of the mind that women just need to shut up and "enjoy it."
Every system has a lot of problems. That is inherent in complex systems using finite resources to care for everyone in a society. Those problems are however much less glaring than the ones in the US as evidenced by any number of important outcome and access based metrics where the US lags badly.
Yep. The U.S. has the lowest life expectancy at birth, the highest death rates for avoidable or treatable conditions, the highest maternal and infant mortality, and among the highest suicide rates.
Like all of these UHCare , have their problems.
Americans think UHCare is a panacea to free health, it is not
It is costing taxpayer public, and it does not cover anything except General Practitioner and public hospitals (and elective surgery can have a wait up to 1 year)
It's sad to say that the ceo would be alive today if Healthcare weren't a for profit industry. Shooting him was still wrong, but this kind of action was inevitable. Profits over people doesn't work for anyone, even the people at the top.
Billionaires like Musk use their extraordinary wealth and power to foment misery and division instead of the pursuit of happiness and good health. They do not understand the meaning of one simple but profound word - civilisation.
In Australia & UK universal health care was instituted via governments from the moderate Left. I'm not sure that the Democrats meet that criterion. And 'socialism!' 'Communism!' always presses the button for US voters.
In Australia not free
Like all of these UHCare , have their problems.
Americans think UHCare is a panacea to free health, it is not
It is costing taxpayer public, and it does not cover anything except General Practitioner and public hospitals (and elective surgery can have a wait up to 1 year)
Did I say it was 'free'? Although as an age pensioner nearly all is for me. And add the private hospital factor and 'free choice' and yes you can pay a lot if you don't have insurance.
I really meant I disagree with moniker UHCare that Americans using as example that 32 countries have it as “free”. User or taxpayer always pays. As non pensioner , I pay for everything, also stay in public hospital emergency was free.
Yup. All comes down to money for most USA citizens. Don't give a damn how it hurts someone else as long as THEY thrive. Money truly is the only god in the USA and it is whoreshipped with adoration.
I wonder who that 33rd nation could be..... Oh well, back to trying to figure out how to pay my $10,000 hospital bill for a broken finger reset and splint!
Yup. $6,000 bill for sewing up a finger with a few stitches at the ER from a cut in the kitchen. Insurance paid it down to $1,000 after deductible was hit from previous doctor bills, but my God, how is this workable?
The problem is not only one sided in the US. Universal Healthcare with US pay grade for Doctors can simply not fly.
In Germany a Doctor can bill you €28.99 for sewing a wound in his own practice, ER €60.32 (code 2005 https://www.kbv.de/media/sp/UV-GOAE_01.01.2024.pdf ).
We have universal healthcare. It’s not perfect. In fact there’s deep imperfections, but it’s 💯 percent better than the alternative. Last time I looked, no one was bankrupt because of it. My successful stem cell transplant prob cost the govt a million. Cost to me: $0.
Until this happens, EVERY physician's office should have an AI agent working 24/7/365 to counter health insurance companies' AI claim denials/prior authorizations.
if everyone else was jumping off a cliff in a country with universal healthcare I’d jump off too because I would probably survive because of universal healthcare
The only thing “complicated” about universal healthcare is that our current system makes a small number of corporations an obscene amount of money, and that our worship of capitalism means that telling them “no, you don’t get to make that money anymore” is completely out of the question..
Health care is a right in a prosperous nation. Other nations do it, and we have the resources to have it done right, too. Instead we have the GOP wants it to be sold in the marketplace. This diminishes it as a right, and misallocates resources because its controlled by few sellers, an oligarchy.
So grateful for our National Health Service in the UK. Nobody in the UK complains about being taxed via your salary to pay for this great service. Long Live the NHS ❤️.
But you guys in Canada do not have a Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme. I heard that some Australian -Canadians are heading back to Aus when they’re seriously ill because they can’t afford medication. Could be hearsay of course.
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Yeah maybe a parliament system is just better than what the founding fathers of America cooked up.
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..their idea of universal health care ain't even balanced much less universal!
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For legal reasons, this is a joke.
Capitalism may be nice. But they shouldn't be in charge of healthcare, education etc...
Germany here, btw...
If you work, you pay half the fees, the employer pays the other half. If you're unemployed the unempl. insurance will pay the fees.
If you are without financial means, the state will pay the insurance.
If you are unemployed, the goverment takes over.
And yeah, the US has a major case of rape culture. A lot of our politicians are of the mind that women just need to shut up and "enjoy it."
Americans think UHCare is a panacea to free health, it is not
It is costing taxpayer public, and it does not cover anything except General Practitioner and public hospitals (and elective surgery can have a wait up to 1 year)
*if we ever truly have been
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Still 32/33 think not having young couple go bankrupt
because of sick child is a good thing for society.
Yeah But "will there be plenty of Kickback Pocket Money" for iur low paid Decision Makers in The Beltway?
Like all of these UHCare , have their problems.
Americans think UHCare is a panacea to free health, it is not
It is costing taxpayer public, and it does not cover anything except General Practitioner and public hospitals (and elective surgery can have a wait up to 1 year)
The couple in the queue behind ranted at my attitude.
They said they had shares in Microsoft, how dare I insult their retirement fund member!
In Germany a Doctor can bill you €28.99 for sewing a wound in his own practice, ER €60.32 (code 2005 https://www.kbv.de/media/sp/UV-GOAE_01.01.2024.pdf ).
Greed over peoples health.
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT
PEOPLE'S HAVE NO HEALTH CONCERNS
America's Slogan:
"Your money or your life..."