I don't think Will was tut-tutting the left I think he's pointing out that there's a real sadistic glee liberals are taking in the leopards eating peoples faces and it's not at all dissimilar to the glee Republicans take in hurting the targets of their policies.
I do agree what we shouldn't be assholes to random people who don't have much of an opinion about politics getting fucked over by this admin.
But also I think it's less glee and more bafflement about all of these stories of ppl blindly believing Trump and then being shocked that they're affected
We’ve been trying persuasion based on facts and logic for ages and it doesn’t work. If they need to suffer the consequences of their OWN damn actions (which many others have already been suffering a lot more) to wake TF up, then so be it.
But in this instance the poster you’re hectoring has no ability to prevent the suffering of Trump voters whatsoever; you’re merely assuming that given the choice they’d opt for pointless suffering.
Are you capable of understanding that people’s emotions and their actions needn’t 100% correspond?
Are you capable of understanding that how you react today is a good indicator of how you will react in the future, and that delighting in the suffering of others based off their vote is morally repugnant no matter what?
I have bottomless sympathy for Trumps victims, but this woman in the article was not one. She made an informed and selfish choice. She is exactly who we should hate
Random democrats on bluesky are not in power and don't dictate the policies of elected Democrats! Elected Republicans, on the other hand, are indistinguishable from their most extreme online psychos. The fact that leftists are annoying online could not be less important to stress right now
Yeah but that's not a point Will or I am making. He's not saying anything about them being annoying, it's about people in the comments of that article taking sadistic glee in a woman's infertility based off of her voting history.
The point you made is there's a "sadistic glee liberals are taking" when the actual truth is there's a "sadistic glee some social media accounts are taking" which is a totally different point.
Yeah you know what let me run out and take a quick n3000 poll of people's reactions to this article so I can get back to you with hard numbers on which group is being sadistic and gleeful.
No, I'm saying they're just some freaks on the internet and you're trying to power them up into something more than that so you can "both sides" liberals with maga. Whatever, take care.
I don't agree in taking sadistic glee from someone else's pain, but he specifically says it's bad electoral strategy. Anonymous Bluesky users are not in charge of electoral strategy. You literally don't even know if they're real people or psyops or trolls.
Haha sorry but Democratic politicians aren’t doing anything, aren’t anywhere to be found, so it’s not a surprise that people are left to critique their most fanatic defenders.
Frankly: at this point "Republicans in positions of power" and "The most extreme rightwing internet trolls" are increasingly literally the same people.
maybe I'm just not seeing it, but I've only ever really seen this criticism coming *from* the left (socialists etc) *towards* the center/center-left more generic Democrats
In my completely honest opinion it's because liberals in the center/center-left constantly claim to be morally superior to MAGA and then, in instances like this, prove themselves to be exactly as callous. Leftists KNOW Republicans do this shitty stuff. Our supposed liberal allies should be better.
Again, saying "That's what you get for being an asshole for so many years" is not the same as "You deserve bad things because you're gay, black, female, etc."
also I think it's just part world view: if you're in the center/center-left it's relatively easy to fall into a 'our team good their team bad' view, so people on 'their team' getting hurt is good because they deserve it. On the left it's easier to get a top vs bottom worldview
where people like that are currently misguided future allies. imo I think this is part of why the description that everyone left of Pelosi is "the left" can be unhelpful - it papers over some pretty key differences between centrist Dems vs progressives vs soc Dems vs socialists etc etc etc
To hear a lot of middle-of-the-road Dems talk about it, you'd think that Harris lost because of a concerted effort by millions of socialists in swing states voting for Jill Stein or whatever.
Yeah, I want to be Christ-like but (having not read this one) few of these accounts come with people taking REAL responsibility for their own actions. That’s the “leopard eating face” thing- Trump didn’t SCREW you, he just did to you what you wanted for other people (or at least didn’t give a shit)
All these arguments to absolve Trump voters of their vote (they believed lies, they have low media literacy) but J6 nullifies all those in my mind. We all saw it, there’s no legit denying that reality.
Except they're entirely different. "Haha you deserve this because you've done and supported horrible things" is not the same as "Haha you deserve this because of your immutable characteristics."
Not to mention, we're reveling in the republican policies hurting republican voters, NOT reveling in democratic policies hurting republican voters. That is a HUGE difference
It’s also reasonable that after a decade of sympathetic Redneck Safari stories from the Times and Post, and the MAJOR news coming out regarding the Post just yesterday, that people don’t read an entire article (which is paywalled) before reacting to it based on the headline.
I only joke because this is the kind of stuff I *almost* did to myself. I know them too! From somewhat on the inside. I think I'm a prime candidate for infiltration. 😬
Both sides do it of course, but let's start by criticizing the side whose angry, rude fringe has been suppressed by their party rather than the side where it's the other way around
people don't understand why billionaires should pay high taxes. The left takes it as doctrine, the right thinks: why am I or Musk obligated to subsidize some old lady in a care home
Nailing this will chg the game, the rules, & the bd upon which we play
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But also I think it's less glee and more bafflement about all of these stories of ppl blindly believing Trump and then being shocked that they're affected
Are you capable of understanding that people’s emotions and their actions needn’t 100% correspond?
Get me the quotes of a dozen people the MAGAs interact with on a daily basis and see whether the sympathetic profile holds up.
people don't understand why billionaires should pay high taxes. The left takes it as doctrine, the right thinks: why am I or Musk obligated to subsidize some old lady in a care home
Nailing this will chg the game, the rules, & the bd upon which we play
I’m going in