Yes. In a sane media environment, the bathroom ban would be the end of anyone treating 'gender critical feminists' as anything other than a hate group. It's a straightforwardly bigoted policy that imposes an insane 'solution' to a nonexistent problem. - ThreadSky

michaelhobbes.bsky.social • 18 hours ago

Yes. In a sane media environment, the bathroom ban would be the end of anyone treating 'gender critical feminists' as anything other than a hate group. It's a straightforwardly bigoted policy that imposes an insane 'solution' to a nonexistent problem.

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steviesun.bsky.social•12 hours ago

I remember a few years ago a bunch of terfs went to Ireland from the UK and tried to whip up hatred. Turned out Irish people rather dislike British people trying to tell them what to do.

wendylyon.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Yes, this was the response

https://feministire.com/2018/01/22/an-open-letter-to-the-organisers-of-the-we-need-to-talk-tour-from-a-group-of-feminists-in-ireland/

steviesun.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Thank you for sharing this. I am rubbish at keeping records of these things, I mostly just have my vague memories.

danepopfrippery.bsky.social•13 hours ago

Nvm its the stupidest fucking thing. Freaks so into others genitals

remimari.bsky.social•2 hours ago

Seriously, we used to just call people who spent so much time thinking about and talking about others' genitals perverts, not elect then to Parliament or Congress.

I mean we probably did but the perversion was never the selling point

juliefauble.bsky.social•15 hours ago

“Because in a battle between cruelty and logic, the cruelty must always win.”

I’m going to be thinking about that sentence for the rest of the day.

velourazure.bsky.social•14 hours ago

Children and adults worldwide were, are, and will continue to be 100% more likely assaulted by a priest or other "religious presenting individual" than a trans person.

webrant.bsky.social•14 hours ago

Fascists use scapegoats for a demonstration of oppression and abuse to intimidate the majority under the minority control of concentrated capital.

Which is why parties that serve those interests follow suit while billionaires celebrate with cigars and drinks on yachts.

https://bsky.app/profile/michaelhobbes.bsky.social/post/3lnpqfcxhpk24

burnedoutcrone.bsky.social•18 hours ago

Clearly no one backing these policies ever wants to meet or talk to a trans person.

emmelinemay.bsky.social•17 hours ago

The EHRC have been told by GANHRI to engage with trans & LGBTQ+ civil society organisations properly for the last 4 years and they just keep sticking their fingers in their ears going "lalala can't hear you thanks for the A status"

catfrills.bsky.social•16 hours ago

I dont know about that. In the US, it's been proven a couple times at least, politicians love to jork it to us. They may not want to talk to us but they wanna do something with us.

weevilknieval.bsky.social•18 hours ago

correct. they want us to disappear from public life. if they just out-&-out said “being trans is illegal” that would give away the game. so instead, they make it so difficult for us to exist, to take part in normal life, to get healthcare, housing, a job, that we just detransition or 41%

dankayur.bsky.social•18 hours ago

shampoochan13.bsky.social•16 hours ago

Its like that witcher meme living through end times

tedthefed.bsky.social•5 hours ago

I think it's one of those cases where a bad-faith internet argument forgot it was a bad-faith internet argument.

It attacks the stupid strawman "If we are tolerant of trans people, we will be FORCED TO ACCEPT ANYONE WHO CLAIMS A GENDER, even if they are transparently lying!"

melissagreen.bsky.social•15 hours ago

GC women know that cis men and rape culture are the problem, but the Patriarchy is too powerful and dangerous, so they target trans people as a way to vent their anger and calm their fear. It will fix nothing, but it doesn't matter. The real problem is too scary, so we get to suffer for them.

anem.bsky.social•13 hours ago

A lot of them just like the patriarchy. They know it's an unjust hierarchy but it is the one they succeeded under and they can't be certain they'd succeed under one where they can't sacrifice the rights, lives and safety of other women to get ahead.

cmclay.bsky.social•12 hours ago

this + immigration are two of the most demonstrative examples of the importance and power of a party taking a strong stance and fighting for it. in 2018 that happened and bathroom bill debates died in the cradle. in 2020 pro immigration sentiment at all time high, when dems fought for these issues!

cmclay.bsky.social•12 hours ago

as recently as *2022* transphobia was a major part of the GOP effort and went very poorly! Since 2023 the only aggressive and unified messaging policy the party had was that Biden was still lucid, which, christ almighty

bskwitter.bsky.social•17 hours ago

In the age of social media, the hateful agenda of the very few can be instantly propagated to all, and garner even a foothold of support from its most vocal proponents

phylosefizer.bsky.social•17 hours ago

Glad someone is saying it so loud and clear. Time to call it what it is, transphobia: the irrational fear of trans people.

codeknitter.bsky.social•16 hours ago

& it's an attempt to control women, by women, which tbh makes even more offensive.

cmtallday.bsky.social•16 hours ago

Where are all these women who are talking about the ways and means of controlling trans people? I belong to several groups of women, some of which I like better than others, and the trans community has never been a topic of conversation.

itsharriett.bsky.social•8 hours ago

I worked a corporate job and there was a pretty stark divide between the women who were supportive and the ones who would follow me into the bathroom. My middle manager, a woman, started misgendering me seemingly randomly, and my career suffered. I quit and became a cornstar, because thats my fate

itsharriett.bsky.social•8 hours ago

My wifes family is very conservative and has been exclusionary with kids and gendered events. I dont get advice or compliments. Im having a moral conundrum because the more attractive and confident i become, the more animosity i feel from suburban cis women.

itsharriett.bsky.social•8 hours ago

My mother, who has my brothers ashes, is maga. Im not pessimistic- quite the contrary, my wife is cis and shes the most bravest and amazing person ill ever know. But we still have a lot of work to do. The women ive had issues with specifically and particularly value stereotypical gender norms

derekdesanges.bsky.social•14 hours ago

You're right, it is a very, very small minority and most women simply are not doing this! Unfortunately the handful who are, have access to a lot of money & power.

susanne.bsky.social•13 hours ago

'where are all these women?'

Have they checked Mumsnet?

cmtallday.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Have not, and something tells me should not.

cmtallday.bsky.social•16 hours ago

Just as I assume the trans community is not out there having conversations about weary old women who must work well into their 70s.

codeknitter.bsky.social•16 hours ago

I'm delighted that you haven't personally encountered anyone like that. Honestly, it makes my day a little brighter.

cmtallday.bsky.social•13 hours ago

I… have more than encountered people like that. So far only men. My verbal punch in the nose usually means I don’t encounter those people again. At most an email, and only if absolutely necessary.

kingofinsomnia.bsky.social•14 hours ago

Idk if you’re asking in good faith but the reason you haven’t personally seen them is bc hate groups are unpopular. That’s why anti-trans legislation has to be astroturfed, most people are chill with us. look up the attendance of any transphobic rally/protest, it’s pathetic

cmtallday.bsky.social•13 hours ago

Are people chill because they just don’t encounter or seek out anyone who has transitioned? Are trans people hiding?
I don’t want to believe most people think “it’s fine with me just as long as you stay away.”🥺

kingofinsomnia.bsky.social•13 hours ago

Not hiding necessarily, but just going off of how many times I’ve come out to someone and then been told “never would’ve guessed” (which I hate hearing lol its such a backhanded “compliment”) most people can’t actually tell when someone is trans. trans ppl are about 1-2% of the population (1/2)

codeknitter.bsky.social•16 hours ago

The gender critical feminists make me absolutely embarrassed that ever thought English things were cool.

izzyplurm.bsky.social•16 hours ago

I was taking about the stupid fucking UK ruling with my eldest (trans) son today and he said ‘they just want to see us dead and wiped off the earth’. My own child feels this way. It’s hate, pure and simple, no other word for it.

kprclc.bsky.social•13 hours ago

I’m in the UK.
1. I definitely don’t want to see your child dead & wiped off the earth. Give them a hug from me.

2. I’m confused by what the law means by “biological sex”.
I’m pretty sure brains develop biologically…

jschwartzwald.bsky.social•14 hours ago

No law or legal ruling should be final unless there is a plan for implementation and enforcement. How exactly is this going to be implemented and enforced?

bjerkley.bsky.social•14 hours ago

By and large the threat of lawsuits to worry enough orgs into submission, even if they wouldn’t win in court.

thejefty.bsky.social•13 hours ago

That's how they get orgs to change their policies, but how do they enforce those policies? In cases of out trans employees, that's simple, but in places open to the public, who are the bathroom police?

bjerkley.bsky.social•13 hours ago

In a similar way, I think. Nothing official just either making people scared to not follow the guidance or embolden bigots to intimidate others. You don’t need something formal to give effect.

solidarity5ever.bsky.social•11 hours ago

I think what people are pointing out is that this is ultimately unenforceable, and in the attempts to enforce it (formal or informal) a lot of people are going to be harmed and it's going to burn out because enforcement will cause far more problems for everyone.

thejefty.bsky.social•11 hours ago

But it will still lead to a lot of harm to trans people, even if enforcement isn't really serious.

bjerkley.bsky.social•10 hours ago

I agree, but I think that creating a hostile environment that causes a lot of harm and cruelty is the point even if it’s not explicitly enforceable. And a lot of people will be hurt before it burns out.

inmontana.bsky.social•16 hours ago

This week in a busy airport I saw a very tall trans woman (6-5ish?) with brightly colored hair. I can't fathom her lifting a pack of gum from a gift shop without being caught. To think she was a devious man who dressed up to 'sneak' into a woman's bathroom and do nefarious things is absurd.

marcbanyard.bsky.social•17 hours ago

The idea that a predatory male may put on a frock and feign being trans in order to permeate female spaces when he could simply just sneak in is one of the silliest straw man arguments I've ever heard.

abbeystbrendan.com•14 hours ago

That's because it's not a straw man, not in the traditional sense. It's the 'logical' conclusion of the big edifice of incorrect ideas that TERFs had to build to explain the visible phenomenon of trans people in the world starting from their axiomatic premise that they aren't real.

abbeystbrendan.com•14 hours ago

They're patriarchal to the bone, so they react with pity and condescension to trans men because it's obvious to them why a 'woman' would 'try to be a man'. In their misogynistic world, of COURSE being a woman sucks, it's horrible, and it HAS to suck.

But trans *women*...

abbeystbrendan.com•14 hours ago

The only thing they can imagine would drive a 'man' (to whom they grant *agency*, btw, which they do not to trans men) to 'pretend' to be a woman is an overriding sexual fetishism. They genuinely believe it's a deep porn addiction driving 'men' to try to live their lives as 'objects of desire'.

abbeystbrendan.com•14 hours ago

It's all the same edifice that explains why their court cases always attack trans women for supposedly being predatory, or attack *institutions* for 'corrupting' trans *men*. They assume agency for the ones they see as men, and a lack of it for those they see as women. Misogyny all the way down.

custardline.bsky.social•17 hours ago

Dude, I have heard otherwise sane, rational people repeat this argument and it blows me away. Like, really? Do you also still talk about stranger danger??

ogmalcontent79.bsky.social•14 hours ago

That’s actually a really good point, because in the same era as stranger danger there were also high-profile comedies featuring men posing as women for nefarious purposes. Crocodile Dundee and Ace Ventura come immediately to mind.

marcbanyard.bsky.social•14 hours ago

If you're talking men in drag permeating female-only spaces, surely the paradigm movie would be Nuns On The Run

ogmalcontent79.bsky.social•14 hours ago

Lol I cannot pretend to be an expert in this genre so I’ll take your word for it!

I’m just saying this seemed to be a recurring theme back then that is probably informing the bigotry of today

itsharriett.bsky.social•8 hours ago

You're absolutely right, we have been dragged in popular media for a couple decades now

rcganz.bsky.social•15 hours ago

At the same time, while the majority of rapes are committed by people the victim knows, lots are committed by strangers. And surely the same logic applies to rapes of teams women?

alpaca-alex.bsky.social•16 hours ago

The worst part about it is that just generally speaking most of the time rape just happens either through a partner, family member, colleague or friend. And it does not happen in public bathrooms, or in car parks, or stuff like that.

flisty.bsky.social•14 hours ago

As far as I can work out, these people think that as soon as a child is born, someone writes M on a form and that child's future is immediately determined to be "rapist". Like, why is this an accepted thing? Can we deal with the actual reasons women are abused instead please?

alpaca-alex.bsky.social•14 hours ago

Yeah, exactly. This is another big one. They act as if it is just the inherent desire of a pen1s to rape a v@gina, because in the end they reduce people to their genitals.

Not that there is a culture going on that normalizes violence towards those perceived as women or rather "not male enough"

two-wheel-life.bsky.social•16 hours ago

So all these people are willing to spend 15-20 min in a line up for the women’s bathroom as opposed to deeking into the men’s that that’s no line up? lol.

iplayguitarbad.bsky.social•16 hours ago

I know that I'm not an insane bigot, but in all my 50+ years of going into bathrooms, I have never once thought about who else is using the bathroom, aside from basic safety and cleanliness. Not once.

These fucking weirdos need to be hounded from all public life.

margaretrose.bsky.social•16 hours ago

It’s a ‘look over there’ moment. They try to stir up trouble to hide whatever they are up to that they don’t want you to know about

navyvet80.bsky.social•16 hours ago

Years ago a sci fi writer used the abbreviation of MYOB for Mind Your Own Business in the plot, is my daily philosophy. MYOB is important because some individuals in America want to intrude into citizens bedrooms and public bathrooms, is seriously out of control! The MAGA cult is weirdly intrusive!

kathewey.bsky.social•9 hours ago

“this is offering us a choice between those who light cigars as they legislate trans people out of the public square, and those who say they’re awfully sorry while they do the same.” - banger line

aloemancer.bsky.social•5 hours ago

A good summation of the left-right partisan divide across the Anglosphere

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