congrats to all the liberals calling the attacks on trans people in the U.S. "tragic but inconsequential since there aren't all that many of them" for finally finding out what they'd have done in 1930s germany
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“According to the census of June 16, 1933, the Jewish population of Germany…less than 0.75 percent.” For trans people in the US, there is about 1% of the population. Congrats to those folks for showing themselves as the exact folks allowing the genocide of Jews back then.
What is also fury inducing is a good amount of those people refused to vote to ‘protest’ the genocide of Gazans despite everyone pointing out Trump will add immigrants and trans people to that list and accelerate the Gazan genocide instead.
Vote for a party that has armed, funded, and politically shielded the killing of 2.5% of a population in one year, vetoed every ceasefire, and is campaigning on "more of the same"
.. yeah. It's not a strong sales pitch.
I looked it up. So this is just a neoliberal think tank trying to sell their brainstorm plan to centrist Dems who already do this nonsense. Not the party as a whole. Keep an eye on it but don’t scaremonger
If you think this Politico article reporting on a Third Way conference is "the Democratic strategy" then I know a wallet inspector who would like to talk to you
I’m old enough to know the Democrats listen to the “third way” far more than the left and this will be the advice they take. These are the same people who think campaigning with Cheney is a good idea. How many votes did that win? Last I checked Trump won the exact same percentage of republican votes
Yeah it’s not like the Democratic Party wasn’t warned. They told us they didn’t care about our votes and courted Liz Cheney. Now that that obviously moronic strategy didn’t work it’s everyone but their own fault.
I’m trans and I voted for Harris, but I am disgusted by people using my rights as a gotcha against people too appalled by Democrats’ participation in genocide to support them. Thousands of children are buried under the rubble, and my life is not worth more than a Palestinian’s. Neither is yours.
weird ass choice to tell everyone how much fury you have for those disillusioned by the dems that actively discarded them and continue to loudly do so. also a good amount of ppl that think that trans genocide is inconsequential are almost certainly not protest voters. that's a laughable thought.
the democrats were already standing by as red states made trans people and women seeking abortion into domestic refugees by the thousands. they also had ample warning that participating in the genocide of palestinians would cost them the election. it's their own fault lmao
I feel a bit sorry because those folks fell for the pro-Zionist/Trump propaganda against Biden. Think it curious that the ceasefire Biden spent months working on was denied constantly by Netanyahu, yet magically manifested when his buddy became president?
The same ceasefire deal currently in place that Israel has already broken on Sunday, blocking all aid into Gaza, killing 4 people and wounding 6? I'm sure that if Kamala got elected they totally wouldn't have done that.
When the Nazis and Zionists hold open the door for genocide at home and to continue the current one, and you stand aside and encourage people to go in, then yes, you are pro-genocide. Just one with a moral varnish that because you didn’t actually hold it open, you’re not really inviting in murder.
Perhaps the democrats should have stopped facilitating and funding genocide if they wanted a better chance at winning against a reality tv-show clown? Like, sorry not sorry for having moral standards.
Even if Biden had vetoed every single bill congress EASILY had the votes to override it. Anyone against it would’ve been primaried via AIPAC money and lost.
And even if we pretend none of that would’ve happen. Isreal still would have gone on with it anyway and probably gone further.
They could have shifted policy after the primaries. They didn’t want to because they belong to the monied interests, and the people they needed weren’t buying what they were selling. Democrats lost because of election interference by the oligarchy, not because of a few thousand protest votes.
This is squarely the fault of the Dems. They knew what they were doing the whole time, and their internal polling showed them flat on their asses. Blaming voters for demanding representation in a representative system is insane actually.
Do you have an example of someone who both refused to vote because of genocide and also thinks trans genocide is inconsequential? I have not personally seen this, and it is hard to believe
Like, EXACTLY. They all would have done exactly this. It’s blowing my mind that we have to see people who know what happened after the Nuremberg Laws do exactly the same thing people did about those
Remember, if things get really bad, you can get a six month visitors visa to Canada same day at the border. That gives you 6 months to figure out what’s next (and we won’t let them force you to go back.) ❤️✌️
Problem is until the CCLU manages to get the Safe Third Country act overturned it gets tricky to claim actual asylum (afaik Mexico has a similar treaty with the US)
Things are going to change quickly though - or at least could. Canada is ... well unhappy isn't the right word. I mean, once she gets a lawyer and starts packing, buying flowers isn't going to cut it - that level of unhappy.
The main reason for any restrictions on health is the lack of a US health care system. As much as we might feel bad about it, we can't become the health care provider for uninsured Americans, our system is already overloaded and can't handle millions of additional patients.
I immigrated more than 20 years ago, so I don't know for sure. What I'm saying is you cross the border as a visitor, say you're going to stay with friends for awhile & see the sights - and once you're here work on a way to stay or somewhere else to go.
Canadians will rally against anyone being sent back into danger, especially the lgbtqia2s+ community (as long as the Conservatives don't win the next election - which is looking increasingly unlikely).
Fair enough, I was more responding to the person suggesting refugee status could be denied due to neurodivergency tho
And you're damn right we will! Well, most of us will. Although this country… doesn't have the best record for supporting 2S/Indigenous peoples, unfortunately…
I really wish liberals would stop patting themselves on the back for providing "solutions" that exist only to make them feel better about where they live, and not actually save people
Not patting myself on the back - just pointing to a possible exit route if people have to run. I'm a cis, white dude, but I am AuDHD originally from Kansas. The LGBTQIA2S+ is strong, and large as is the neuro-divergent community. Not saying everyone here is trans positive, but we don't like bullies.
No, the point here is that you cannot legally immigrate to any country if you cannot work. Transferring medical care leaves a gap that could kill people. That's what they were pointing out.
Which is insane because I’ve been at this lovely outdoor festival in Dallas, and I can say that there are more than ever. It made me very happy, and sad at the same time.
I agree with you btw. The fact that Sulzberger had to chase out his best liberal writer this year and exclude Bouie and Polgreen from this exercise just to get 3/5 votes for the answer he wanted from his ostensible liberals tells me this isn’t really a ‘liberal’ problem.
INCONSEQUENTIAL!? ARE THEY SERIOUS! It's a stepping stone to FUCKING GENOCIDE! They're targeting the Trans Community and Latin Americans first before they come after EVERYONE ELSE who isn't white.
This crap needs to be stopped now, We can not tolerate intolerance anymore!
I don’t say this to agree with them as I have spend a decade working with trans youth and have a trans son but I believe most people have never met someone trans. It makes it easier to not care (liberal) & to create laws hurting trans people (conservatives).
I don't think that's true. If trans people are 1% then one out of 100 of the hundreds of people you interact with is trans. Maybe you haven't personally known a trans person but your barista or your server or the guy who helped you in Lowes was.
And maybe you did mean "know personally" but aside from very rural areas, how is someone's social circle so small that they've known less than 300 people? That's about the number where having met a trans person is extremely (95%) likely. (The number for 99% is around 458)
I’m not condoning anti-trans bigotry & knowing someone should not make a difference in protecting their rights but it does for some. I live in NJ less than 20 miles out of NYC & in my kids’ high school 5 (.4%) kids out of 1200 are out as trans so it is quite possible not to know anyone trans.
Not sure what the solution to this would be. Even if they’re somehow forced to meet a trans person (obvs not a serious suggestion) there's plenty of proof from many marginalized communities that showing the other person your humanity doesn't really work. V frustrating.
If you can ignore 1.3% of the population then we can ignore the whims of Wyoming, Alaska, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Wyoming. I’m done pretending that “only 1%” is a small number!
Sincerely struggling to even come up with a Devil's Advocate response to this. This is the sort of rhetorical gold that would change minds in a sane world.
(Important note: Dale Gribble is literally the perfect man to have on your team. He is loyal to a (incredibly stupid) fault, he will literally die, kill, whatever, for you, once you've earned his respect.
Don't be a Vance and betray somebody like that, if you are lucky enough to have 'em)
Liberals are proving themselves to be utterly worthless in fighting the current wave of fascism. They’re quick to abandon their so-called principles. We need to tear down the Democratic establishment and build a leftist party, and we need to do it while there’s still time to save people.
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.. yeah. It's not a strong sales pitch.
Also, that’s not why the dems lost by a long shot 🤷🏻♀️
And even if we pretend none of that would’ve happen. Isreal still would have gone on with it anyway and probably gone further.
I know what you're gonna do, you're gonna ignore it and then go say the same ignorant dogshit to someone else.
So, that way.
Why are you trying to change the subject off of them? Why are you acting like you dont think trans people matter?
And you're damn right we will! Well, most of us will. Although this country… doesn't have the best record for supporting 2S/Indigenous peoples, unfortunately…
One would be at least 3 too many
https://harpers.org/archive/1941/08/who-goes-nazi/
No wonder the US is a shithole.
This crap needs to be stopped now, We can not tolerate intolerance anymore!
People have the right to be people.
If you say "Yeah, but..." to that, fuck you.
People have the right to be people.
You got a problem with that, talk to Dale.)
Don't be a Vance and betray somebody like that, if you are lucky enough to have 'em)
What's next, Hitler was a socialist?