Some of our fellow veterans believe we aren't a democracy - that they earned their special status and others don't deserve the same. They miss being thanked and feted. But now, they're just citizens, and it gets to them. They bought into the warrior class BS, the 3 percent, the Moldy Labia, etc.
Leaving the current C&C aside and his purge of what he claims are DEI hires, it's not looking good for anyone hoping for salvation through the military.
We crave leadership; it is natural. The rigid hierarchy of the military offers something primeval. The intensity of combat provides something as alluring as porn. I remember the story of a WWII combat veteran...
Want the truth? Some of them are stupid and some of them are racist. 6 year Army vet, here. I learned about how many KKK members were in my unit when I started dating a woman of color.
Real question: Think ahead two years - do you think someone like you would be allowed to serve, or would that person have already been discharged/purged
I can't really speak for "Today's" Army. I've been out, since 2002. We were given, specific "Diversity Training" and encouraged to be non-partisan and non-racist. This is how a good army can function. The diversity was the strength. Put me in a foxhole with gay woman and I KNOW I'll come home.
I can't say. Those are different guys. These are different leaders. At one point, Mike Flynn was in my own command structure. We all know how he really felt.
It’s scary! My brother had 2 people named Ross in his unit. One of them was nicknamed “Racist Ross”. Like how was that ok or allowed? (Yes it was infantry)
It goes hand in hand with teaching us the ethics of the laws of war and ingraining the notions of "Army Values" - while, simultaneously, teaching, "If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying."
That's a great question with a long answer. SO- When I first got to my "permanent duty station" - They bunked me with a gentlemen of color, from motor pool. It was not expected that he and I would become fast friends. "Lucky" turned me on to Easy E, blunts, 40s, and real talk. Contrast: I was
Here came "battle buddy," demanding I cut my time short and give up the phone. I gave the "1 minute" finger and he jumped on my and started to strangle me.
The KKK crew, from across the hall came and saved me.
This would be the same crew that would, later, threaten me in numerous ways for
NOW - I have ANOTHER glaring eye-opener, from basic combat training, where it was 1993, "Don't ask, don't tell" was in effect, and a CSM from the pentagon came to ask what we thought about this new policy.
He was a gentleman of color. He saw the look of a thought in
Vets of today are not the same as ANY of our ancestors. Many went to the military for free school and a free cop job when military life is over.
They were the heehaw hicks at home, but the come back with ball swinging power and America loves its vets so these guys take advantage of that sentiment.
My dad was a VFW Post Commander for years. The influence of all those WWII vets is why I joined the Army, but I throw their membership materials in the trash whenever I get them. They're out of touch politically, ineffective in advocacy, offer nothing I want, nor stand for anything I value.
Ad a veteran I have been wondering about this myself. How have my brothers and sisters in arms allowed Nazis to take control of our goverment. Trump and all his little brownshirt wannabes need to be removed from power before UT take violance to remove them
Many are. Some are just shitty people. Some are still brainwashed from their time in. Some are damaged to the point they can't fight anymore. Some dont care anymore. Many reasons people don't get up in arms.
My take on your question regarding veterans getting upset about the bending to their NAZI salute is an interesting question.
Are you a veteran?
If so, thank you for your service.
The fact that the disgraced Mike Flynn decided to go rogue and has been recruiting & training people to fight for MAGA🤷🏻♀️
what I don't get for vets...we have been adversaries if not enemies of russia for 80 years and they don't mind the orange man cozying up to a russian leader...it almost seems anti-American
Consider that everyone who joined the US military in the last ~30 years knew they were joining up with the guys committing war crimes in the middle east and was okay with that...
It's going to take a while for the Army vets to catch up to the Navy and Air Force vets. Of course, Marines have to wait until it's made into a coloring book.
The same tactics that the party in Germany used are being used now: separate people and turn them against each other. Divide them and show them how different they are. The administration (and the quiet folks behind them) know to keep the majority at war with each other. Social media simplifies this.
Veterans of WW2 who fought the nazis are dead. Your veterans are those of Vietnam, even Korea is too long ago. Active veterans? Probably Gulf War 1 and 2. Demoralised vets of questionable wars.
Because real heroes stand up for what's right. Being a Veteran doesn't make you a hero. It's what you do with your training and the oath you swore by that defines you from the rest.
This Vet is absolutely disgusted. I'm hoping the Generals come to their senses and do something. Arrest his ass. We all sold our souls to the constitution. The Generals have done it numerous times. Their duty is bound by oath. I hold out hope.
Mmm. Yeah. Maybe. Maybe some won't cave that easily. I have a hard time seeing some of those men handing over their guns to an obvious tyrant so he can sick their own soldiers on them after they resign. Surely they have a contingency plan for this very moment. Half the world saw it coming.
We've had all volunteer armed forces for about 40 years. Nobody joins up not knowing they will be dropped like a used condom after the campaign photos are taken. It's a classic Lucy and Charlie Brown football game. The house always wins.
Depends on the group. Some think things'll be better "after the purges finish" and this is all temporary and blown out of proportion. Some are just all in on it. Some are angry but can't really do anything so focus on supporting folks, or don't have the resources to begin with...
In addition to the Nazism, there's also the firing of thousands of federal workers, 30% of whom are vets. As well as the attacks on Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Accessibility, of which veteran's status and veteran's disabilities are a part.
Unfortunately some are bad, I have a representative of my state and he's a Magat Republican, can't be trusted and damn sure is not going to do anything to stop Orange Hitler & his minions. I do think there's plenty good ones who will stand up & fight though.
And Putin! My dad (veteran) is horrified and can’t understand how anyone voted for trump on Russian alone.
He also worked his way up into a decent rank during the Cold War era and was an engineer so … might be he doesn’t understand the modern military grunt mindset.
Inertia. Unlike the status quo, most of us Vets follow the not-us quo. We deal with the VA and expect crappy service. Unless our pensions stop or services are removed most will just bitch and move along. Still, I would not be surprised to see a percentage double down to defend the current regime.
Good question. I ditched the 2 veterans groups I was active in after they publicly announced their support for DJT in 2016. As far I'm concerned they've been dead for 9 years
One of the largest voting blocks were white men many of which are veterans. That’s why. :/
I got mine fuck them mentality, or everyone has it too good and men can’t be men anymore we need war to make us strong again wah wah and plenty of other brain dead takes.
My favorite is my conservative mother who gamed the welfare system in addition to being a military SAHM since 17. She's constantly talking about how "nobody ever gave her anything"
Great question. I have been very vocal and have tried to start an organization called Veterans Against Fascism. My goal is to stand up a counter intelligence operation targeting MAGA politicians. I want it to be a 365 day operation but need money to stand it up. I have had zero contributions to date
BEcause the military instills the idea of a hierarchy in its members and Trump's at the top of it right now, so they'll embrace whatever the Top Dog says to do (so long as the Top Dog isn't a Democrat)
You would think, especially when it's veterans like Bannon throwing the Nazi salutes, that large veteran groups would be angry. Sure seems like many are trying to figure out how to excuse it.
I had to explain to a friend of mine, at the beginning of his political awakening, that a hungry man has no time for social justice, much less all of this current fuckry.
Husband is a vet. And pissed about this administration. Traditional groups like VFW have lost the younger crowd and members. You won't see them organized against anything they don't have $, bandwidth or energy.
Yeah at least in my area the VFW is just a good old boy club mostly of older Vets. They have lost touch and can't even show up for feneral support half the time.
All the veterans I know, myself included, are for the constitution + against Trump and Musk. Not all vets are maga. That is a stereotype. Not all vets are men either. Don't generalize a whole group of people that are really diverse in race, faith, gender, sexuality or politics. Stereotyping erases.
Not true. My military friends are pissed. They're doing as much as we all are. They'll get organized as fast as we are getting organized. This has been happening fast so we need to give people a break.
If only they took their oaths seriously. There’s no expiration date on, “…support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.”
That's an interesting question, partly because some are sympathetic, and also generally in recent years, veterans groups try to stay out of political fights in which they are not directly involved, so as not to seem partisan. That time should be over now. Time to march vets.
Because they are still in denial even with cuts to Veterans care looming. Willful ignorance is bliss. Also, if they have to accept that they were wrong for voting for the rapist they would have to take personal responsibility. Hence, the continued wilful ignorance.
A whole lot of vets have almost no idea what's been happening because of the right-wing bubble.
Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan aren't exactly raising the alarm bells on cuts to the VA, etc. They just hear "DOGE cut woke!" - but the really bad stuff will start affecting them pretty soon. 😔
Because vetrans aren't smart or they wouldn't of been suckered into a career killing brown people in their own countries unless they were in some part down with military brutalisim, violence & racial hatred. You're a veteran because you couldn't get a legitimate career except to be a murderer.
I’m a vet. Not part of any vet group. I served because my parents were completely uninterested in helping me get started in life. Now my parents invoke my service in service of their world view. I’m so exhausted. This country fucking sucks. Even at its best, our government serves money over humanity
Possibly because they’ve forgotten about the horrors of the Nazi party in Germany.
I suspect an awful lot of younger Americans have no idea what happened.
Because the alternative is supporting the democratic party and fox news has spent literal decades pavlovian conditioning our service members to be opposed to the DNC.
Even the youngest would be in their nineties now. My grandfather was a WWll vet and he went to his grave with a Hillary for President sign in his yard. His kids voted for this joker. I asked recently if they’re enjoying this. They are not, but they still think it’s the Dems’ fault.
Honestly, they are very desperate for leadership. Genuine leadership is rare. It is so rare that when someone displays what is called "command presence" too many of us will snap to attention without thinking.
I'd say it's because 10 years ago, when this shit actually started, no one wanted to hear it. People acted like it was offensive to call them Nazis— when they told us why they were already themselves. Now it's like people can't believe it no matter what. We need to wake up.
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Did you know that white people are a minority in the armed forces, especially in combat-arms specific roles?
Or that only a fraction of the military is designed to directly engage enemy personnel, the majority of personnel work in non combat support roles?
I expect this whole thing is just a Kremlin plot to weaken our armed forces, before an impending invasion.
Someone "like me?" - I'm a straight, white, dude. They'd take me, all day long, if I was 30 years younger.
Armies need numbers - so
It's REALLY unAmerican and I cannot see many officers going along. But - the plan is to "downsize."
Putin's going to love that.
The "downsizing" imho is to weaken us and homogenize the armed forces, yeah. But the weakness is just so we don't get into the way of 🇨🇳/🇷🇺 expansion.
America First means only shooting people in the homeland.
He really hated that Lucky and I got along, so well, too.
We had 1 phone for an 80 man barracks. We all took turns calling home. It was my turn, one night. I was on the phone.
The KKK crew, from across the hall came and saved me.
This would be the same crew that would, later, threaten me in numerous ways for
NOW - I have ANOTHER glaring eye-opener, from basic combat training, where it was 1993, "Don't ask, don't tell" was in effect, and a CSM from the pentagon came to ask what we thought about this new policy.
He was a gentleman of color. He saw the look of a thought in
americans might be brain damaged.
they actually dont care but you care and thats funny to them.
so you are terrified of them and they think you are a joke.
hmm big mystery why things are like they are no one could ever unravel this.
They were the heehaw hicks at home, but the come back with ball swinging power and America loves its vets so these guys take advantage of that sentiment.
SHUT HIM DOWN!
Are you a veteran?
If so, thank you for your service.
The fact that the disgraced Mike Flynn decided to go rogue and has been recruiting & training people to fight for MAGA🤷🏻♀️
https://youtube.com/shorts/wZ7hVUS58ug?feature=shared
heh heh
All veterans do not support this Country. That is why so many domestic terrorist acts have been carried out by veterans.
Anyone remember Timothy McVeigh,Terry Nichols, William Potter Gale, Richard Butler, Bo Gritz, Frazier Glenn Miller, and Eric Rudolph?
I have no party to vote for.
He also worked his way up into a decent rank during the Cold War era and was an engineer so … might be he doesn’t understand the modern military grunt mindset.
I got mine fuck them mentality, or everyone has it too good and men can’t be men anymore we need war to make us strong again wah wah and plenty of other brain dead takes.
That’s just the reality imo.
And we are going to fulfill our Oath and defend the Nation from foreign and Domestic terrorists
made no sense to invade and resulted in no victory
the Second World War was very Black and White
I know dad did at 18 in 1942
I'm sure the Korean Vets did
I know my Viet Nam era Pals did- then felt cheated
I'm sure those who went to Granada, Panama and Desert Storm, then Afganistan and Iraq same
Fear of retribution
He was in WWII in North Africa, Italy and France killing fascists.
He was there for over 3 years straight.
We are of Italian descent and he could have been killing relatives.
That's what happened with the greatest generation.
Today, not so much.
Biggest Nazis I’ve ever met are special forces guys & many of the grunts worship em.
what do I win?
Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan aren't exactly raising the alarm bells on cuts to the VA, etc. They just hear "DOGE cut woke!" - but the really bad stuff will start affecting them pretty soon. 😔
when all you watch is that crap - you get fed a steady stream of lies & you can't help but to normalize it as factual because it's the "news" on "TV".
I have listed to various GOP radio hosts over the years for a few minutes & then went and looked up what they said - all made up shit.
Those veterans groups have plenty of Nazis in their midst
I suspect an awful lot of younger Americans have no idea what happened.
I’m too old to lowcrawl~
It’s a Zin Bros world and I’m just living in a blue state ~