Even if you went full BNP style Paul, and you engaged in openly racist behaviour, using racial slurs publicly, calling for mass deportation and withdraw of citizenship for non-whites, you'd still lose out to Farage because the voters would see it as insincere.
Although, I have to say, 11% across-the-board spending cuts will do so much damage to the basic functioning of the state that your chances of getting elected again, no matter how racist you are, is basically zero.
I mean, just because something is popular doesn't mean its right. If the polls showed 50% of voters would support killing all cats, would that be on your platform?
Secondly, those people are voting Reform. They will not move to Labour
Here is how I see Labour - A far-right, racist, party, who thinks that the terminally unwell can work, that is more anti-LGBT than any government since Thatcher, who has lied on every single issue, and broken ever single promise bar none, which is lead by a weak, insincere, insubstantial, loser
It's all pretty basic stuff. 50% of voters want anti immigration policies according to you. That leaves 50% that don't. Enough for a massive majority.
But Labour aren't interested in winning votes or we would see utilities nationalised.
Hey, man. What kind of shit are your tabloid-quality mainstream media saying all the time? Your entire media network is pulling a Goebbels regarding trans people, immigrants, and the poor. Maybe you should be concerned that they're constantly lying about everything just like US media does.
Why would they choose the knock-off brand instead of the real thing? Your job is to persuade them to think differently. If the country votes for far right policies then you've failed
So what you’re saying is…
You should become a right wing anti-immigration party……
So we can vote for you……….
To prevent a right wing anti-immigration party becoming the next government
Why is that? Could it be because mainstream parties can’t find the courage to even so much as damp down the anti-immigrant rhetoric, let alone bring an evidence-based set of options about how to solve the demographic challenge? Returning Lab would be to return a right wing anti-immigration party
They are never going to vote Labour you absolute belter, why do you always try to out-racism the racist parties, why is that the only tactic you fools have??
It is that way because you allow far-right disinformation networks and figures to fester. Brazil doesn't have a fascist problem anymore because they banned Twitter and jailed bad actors for breaking rules/laws.
Elon wants to free a far-right rioter, so ban Twitter and Tesla. Those polls will flip.
Most people are malleable and uncritically adopt far right beliefs spread by bad actors. Ban those bad actors and tell the correct information. It's either them or you.
Councillor, your Party has moved so hard and so far right that it is indistinguishable from Farage and the fascist fringe. In seeking to head off Reform by adopting their policies, you've alienated voters like me, whilst gaining virtually none. YOU are making a far right government inevitable.
Well, I can't vote for Labour precisely because of these anti-immigrant policies. As well as the transphobia, demonising the disabled and long term among other reasons. What about my vote? I'd normally be a natural labour voter but the party has swung far to the right.
Labour is a right wing party, with anti immigration and anti minorities policies. And what are you doing to challenge that?
It’s not the next government we need to worry about, it’s this one.
Btw, looks like the leader of @scottishlabour.bsky.social wants trans people not to exist in society.
Tell us again how your party isn’t following in the footsteps of Farage and Trump?
I'm transgender Paul, the current government in the UK is nothing but a disaster for me and people like me. Your policies are already far right, to my mind there is no difference in your approaches between you, the Tories and Reform.
If you want to be seen as different, BE DIFFERENT!
It’s not just trans people Labour alienate with their swing towards the right - it’s parents, family, friends, neighbours, colleagues of those they’re trying to demonise with their “anti woke” rhetoric and show-politics! 😣
I am trans too and I was conversion tortured as a teen
The accusation that the “real reason” I won’t vote for a party who want to conversion torture everyone as a matter of course “must” be that in a fascist is so far beyond insulting
Labour can rot in Hell for as long as it doesn’t change
And you really think out-doing the far right on anti-immigration is the way to go?
Are you really that blinkered and ignorant?
Maybe also consider what you're saying here is: Do you want right-wing, anti-immigration parties as your govt when we're doing exactly what they want?
JFC
why has Starmer turned the Labour party into a right wing anti-immigration, anti-trans, bigoted nightmare that only exists to protect the profits of the super-wealthy and big business?
If you're a racist voter (real and imagined) then Starmer loves to listen to you. If you want utility bills to come down then it's all about "difficult decisions" and keeping "the market" happy.
I’ve been visited by the ghosts of Sun Tzu, Richelieu, Machiavelli, Napoleon and Clausewitz.
They all agreed that taking the fight to the enemy on their strongest ground is definitely the way to win and anybody who disagrees is scum with no place in public discourse.
Maybe it’s time @uklabour.bsky.social had the gumption to tell the truth about immigrants and how much Britain has benefited from the contributions of immigrants in recent times. Change the narrative, stop aping neofascists.
A great electoral strategy that definitely always works for centre left parties is going further and further right to try attract a small number of right wing voters, while completely alienating large swathes of your natural base. It’s what Labour advised Harris to do and that went so well didn’t it
And that 50% are not going to vote for Reform-lite Labour no matter how hard you pander to their racism and uninformed views on immigration.
It’s the current government who’re inviting a far-right win next election, not potential voters who want an end to this immigration culture-war nonsense.
So you're happy to step in with all their policies and saving us from right wing dickheads? How heroic. I assume you're enacting all their policies with a heavy heart.
Did offering a historically Labour based alternative never occur though?
this is a global far right power grab and they are winning because you have let them control the narrative and at every stage you have attacked the left for your own failures
you are worse than ineffectual, you are active collaborators
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77 replies and not a single like for your perfectly reasonable and not at all fascim-enabling tweet.
You know what?
I'm gonna like it.
Here you go.
Have a like.
It had to go.
You're dumber than a bag of rocks.
You sure about that pal
Instead of looking at the latest polls blindly, maybe have real policies which reflect a group outside of your cherrypicked egoreflective samples
Politics having membership fees to keep out regular folk is such a crock.
That's a very, VERY dangerous precedent in history.
You know this. Everyone knows this.
When we get there, you're who we're all going to blame.
You let them win.
1) it will appall and disgust your current voters, who are less receptive to racism and anti-immigrant scapegoating than the median voter
2) it insults the intelligence of the far-right people who will always hate Labour no matter what you do
P.S. we already have a right wing (economically and socially) government.
I'd stop selling lite and offer an actual alternative if it were my shop (country)
Secondly, those people are voting Reform. They will not move to Labour
And, no, that is the not the next, or present, government I want, so I am unable to vote Labour
Oh and by the way, I don't give a flying FUCK ABOUT IMMIGRATION
But Labour aren't interested in winning votes or we would see utilities nationalised.
Is doing deportation of refugees to Albania better than to Rwanda? Or is it just different enough for you to pretend that it's better?
Get fucked
You should become a right wing anti-immigration party……
So we can vote for you……….
To prevent a right wing anti-immigration party becoming the next government
What a morally bankrupt worldview you have.
Elon wants to free a far-right rioter, so ban Twitter and Tesla. Those polls will flip.
It’s not the next government we need to worry about, it’s this one.
Tell us again how your party isn’t following in the footsteps of Farage and Trump?
https://bsky.app/profile/ciannwn.bsky.social/post/3lihcbtn6vk2z
If you want to be seen as different, BE DIFFERENT!
It’s not just trans people Labour alienate with their swing towards the right - it’s parents, family, friends, neighbours, colleagues of those they’re trying to demonise with their “anti woke” rhetoric and show-politics! 😣
I won’t vote Labour until they stop!
The accusation that the “real reason” I won’t vote for a party who want to conversion torture everyone as a matter of course “must” be that in a fascist is so far beyond insulting
Labour can rot in Hell for as long as it doesn’t change
The GTTO and "you have nowhere else to go" blackmail won't work this time. Starmer is already centre-right to hard-right with far right trimmings.
We hold our nerve.
If you're in Cymru vote @plaidcymru.bsky.social folks.
Are you really that blinkered and ignorant?
Maybe also consider what you're saying here is: Do you want right-wing, anti-immigration parties as your govt when we're doing exactly what they want?
JFC
…and thanks to how outrageously bigoted this government is neither will decent ppl either.
Labour ARE a right wing anti-immigration party, it's already the government we have you clown
They all agreed that taking the fight to the enemy on their strongest ground is definitely the way to win and anybody who disagrees is scum with no place in public discourse.
It’s the current government who’re inviting a far-right win next election, not potential voters who want an end to this immigration culture-war nonsense.
Did offering a historically Labour based alternative never occur though?
Why are you in a far-right racist party, Councillor Peacock? Why are you not taking a stand against far-right racism?
we are where we are because you have accepted far right propaganda as fact and never even tried to make the case to the public
you are worse than ineffectual, you are active collaborators
Been saying this for months!
Labour have a clause in their condition for membership requiring people not to promote other political parties
Most Labour MPs and councillors are currently promoting Reform