That´s true, also is #HateSpeech no #FreeSpeech.
I´m from Germany, here you can tell your opinion on everything, it´s only so that usually nobody´s interested in it, that´s #Democracy...
I think underdeveloped describes the US more accurately because we’re incapable of understanding that other countries might be doing something better than we are.
They mistake hate speech for free speech. They want to be able to say vile, offensive things whenever and wherever they want to with zero repercussions. They do not care if they offend anyone or if the words they use make them look ignorant. They’re a cult☕️
…AND that free speech doesn’t mean your words don’t have consequences. If you’re an asshole, people will treat you like you’re an asshole and we are all free to do so 🥰
Don’t forget about spreading hate. Hate speech is illegal in the EU. Hate speech is not free speech. Elon does not agree and Americans accuse the EU of not having free speech because they ban hate speech. Just throwing it out there, how many of you believe you have the right to hate speech?
The 1st amendment enshrining free speech is seen as a license to say anything you want, with absolutely no limitations. This wonderful right, however becomes a "wrong" when it is used to lie, misinform, unjustly malign another or incite others, to act wrongly. It's a too often-abused entitlement.
The bit they really can’t get their heads around is that “free speech” includes “right to reply” and “not on my platform” is just a reply, as as the far right is saying it for their platforms.
Especially when the disinformation is politically motivated and leads to violence and rioting, such as happened with the #FarageRiots in the UK in the Summer.
in austria you could be judged until 4 years with prison. we got the reactivation law what forbid to use nazi symbols and to deny the crime happens through the naziz ti me.please do this in austria dear musk
Yes, we actually have slander and libel laws, but somehow - they don't seem to apply to social media? And mainstream media used to vet what it shared - but now they are complicit in the shit show as its profitable. This isn't about free speech - it's about breaking down norms to make us numb.
We have many 🇺🇸 tourists during the summer. When shopping I’m on the lookout for accents & MAGA gear and stay far away. Don’t want their cooties & virus.
I firmly believe in the First Amendment. However, I also believe we have a responsibility to report news and events accurately. Crafting misleading or inflammatory statements only fosters division, misinformation, and distrust, undermining the principles of free speech.
It's important to remember a decent proportion of MAGAs don't have a passport, can't speak a 2nd language, and might have trouble locating Europe on a map.
Trump Knows the difference, however MAGA dose NOT get it, obviously 🤔 MAGA doesn’t understand what a Tariff is either and maybe won’t due to the FREE Speech 😉 they will believe whatever their told. 😖
This is happening on Red Note too. MAGA is saying religious shit, then crying about the 'lack of free speech' when they get ridicule instead of conversions 🙄
Free speech is the right to say it, but also the right of others to call at what you say and criticixe it if it's misinformation. Crying about lack of freedom of speech is just trying to play the victim.
The irony is that the first amendment, which prevents the Government from impeding “speech”, turned out to be the instrument that’s destroying the republic.
If there is no penalty for lying, then the truth stands no chance.
Yes, on paper we have that in the USA as well. It's just that too many people have discovered that "on paper" is not enough to stop them, that everything that our laws are founded on is contingent on agreement that we shall all follow them, nothing else.
Free speech to a MAGAt is so they thinketh, so they are free to speakers🤪🥴! In essence MAGAts are the new DUMB BLONDS…no offense to blond haired people 😏!!
For the past few years England has had GBNews which is every bit as bad as FoxNews, if not worse, although It's mostly directed at the over 50s.
They are allowed to broadcast because they claim not to be a news channel.
Free speech in Murica means lying about anything you want, no matter how egregious, lie to get elected, lie after you are elected, get the MSM to lie, lie about vaccines, healthcare, raw milk, polio......and the idiots will keep voting you in.
Also, it is projecting what you are and have done to those who have not done so, solely because the later do not worship Trump -- who has committed the crimes and sins you project on others.
"The week before the inauguration, Steve Bannon, Trump’s former adviser, described white South Africans as the “most racist people on earth”,"
This is how far we have sunk, Steve Bannon is now the voice of reason within MAGA.
Something that the ignorant but extremely loud minority of us like to forget is: Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Free speech is great, but that doesn't mean you can ignore the fact that words and actions have consequences, even if you can't see them or they don't affect you.
Maga's think free speech means shoving their crap in our faces every minute of every day and it's an assault on free speech when we don't want to hear it. They say whatever they want, they just can't force anyone to listen to their diarrhea of the mouth.
We in Australia are also accused by right wing Americans of losing our freedom when we supported a nationwide gun ban.
I haven’t seen a gun in years now, and I couldn’t be happier about that!
They obsess over NOTHINGS to distract them from SOMETHINGS.
Free speech
Immigration
Conspiracies and paranoia
Thank god they don't have to think about corporate tax evasion, wage theft, the privatisation of healthcare, the climate emergency .... and what would they say if they did?
Bingo! MAGA is all about the idea that the laws should protect, but not bind them while binding but not protecting the rest of us. I'd call it hypocrisy but it's not; they make no bones about their beliefs. It's just sociopathy.
It (lying) winds up trickling down to neighborhoods and families... people begin to believe it's ok, it's not so your circle becomes smaller and smaller and I'm personally ok with that. I have these morals and values and I ain't jeopardizing them for any reason.
Free Speech is a right that shouldn’t be abused. If one wonders what happens when Free Speech is abused, they only need to look at the train wreck America has become.
They say the same about Canada, and we most certainly have free speech. If any Russians treated Putin the way that Maple Maga treats Trudeau they'd all be found at the bottom of an open window.
MAGA has no idea what free speech is. In the US, it simply means the government can not limit freedom of expression. MAGA thinks it means consequence free speech. MAGA is too stupid to know this. You can call my mother a whore and the gov. Will not touch you, but I will still kick your ass
I've always said that while you may free speech and you can say things, you're not free of the consequences of what you say. Be it a protest, caused mental abuse to another or an arrest, that's all consequences of what you freely say.
UK Defamation Act 2013**
- Libel (written defamation) and slander (spoken defamation) are both actionable, but libel tends to dominate due to its lasting nature.
- The burden of proof lies primarily on the **defendant** to show their statements are true or otherwise defensible.
USA:
- Defamation laws vary by state but are shaped by the **First Amendment** of the Constitution.
- Libel and slander distinctions exist, but free speech protections often take precedence.
- The burden of proof lies with the **plaintiff**, particularly to demonstrate falsity and actual harm.
So the UK has freedom of Speech - just don't make wild and fictitious statements that you can't support with evidence -
You are free to do so but there are likely to be consequences especially in print - which includes online via any Social Media platform ☯️
there are loopholes - of course
saying Elon Musk does (illegal thing) could get you a libel charge 🚫
Saying Elon Musk has been alleged to support Far Right organisation AfD in Germamy - as reported by CNN - SHOULD be fine ☯️
Funny how these rightwing nazis say here in Europe, that US didn't have free speech before.
They just boost each other all over the world with they're propaganda.
People should all over the world just look their "narratives" how they mixmatch everytime and make no logic.
It is just propaganda and BS
'Free speech' must walk hand in hand with personal responsibility. It's not a permission slip to be loud, obnoxious, irresponsible and an all around agent of chaos. Those behaviours are associated with young children or the unwell.
It's the old freedom TO and freedom FROM
Like the freedom TO voice your opinion
And freedom FROM being gunned down by some lunatic who dislikes what you said
MAGAs belligerently defend their freedom to hurt other people, but not those people's freedom to just go about their day in safety
Both of these are examples of freedom of speech. But one relies on simple, unhindered individual autonomy. And the other on more a complex, regulated environment of societal safety.
Which is why just screaming FREEDOOM without identifying a realistic threat you want freedom FROM is so often a 🚩
Whenever Musk tweets about someone in the UK jailed for Facebook posts you will find that those Facebook posts were from a Nazi announcing the time and place to meet up to burn down a hotel housing refugees. crime is crime and hate speech is not free speech.
Sounds reasonable. We don't have free speech in the USA. It's pretty good, but at the moment big money, disinformation, harsh governance, surveillance, social media controls and the like are muting our efforts to express ourselves.
We seem to be stuck with Musk because he bought himself a presidency but I don’t understand why European countries aren’t severely limiting his influence, banning X, boycotting his products, and investigating for him election interference before it happens to them too.
There should always be trepidation for limits imposed on freedoms. “Who watches the watchers?” comes to mind. Education and critical thought are preferable to censorship. I’m not advocating for a lack of consequences just deep thought regarding the imposition of limits and their knock on effects.
They are not immune to misinformation in Europe and they have equal numbers of citizens staring at it in their palms. A Quick Look at the advanced of Le Pen in France, the AfD in Germany, the autocratic government in Hungary and the Neo-Fascist party behind Meloni in Italy makes it clear.
While signing an Executive Order. Potus trumpie said. No other Sovereign Independent Countries had Birthright Citizenship. A blatant Lie. The So "American Journalists" offered No Pushback
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The wait for the less mentally acute to believe it. Can you see a DS in the Midwest that says he/she likes Trump's bravado? What a stupid reason to vote for someone!!
We had a law in the 80s Fairness Doctrine that mandated broadcast networks devote time to contrasting views on issues of public importance. The GOP let it expire under Reagan!
Most maga haven't left the counties they live in. The wouldn't know anything except what the conservative media tells them. To them that's more gospel than the gospel.
Very well said. Our right to free speech as well was limited to truth and facts. Hate speech not allowed either. So free speech has changed by definition illegally and unwanted I might ad. Americans form the US didn’t make that choice. A few billionaire butt buddies did.
2/ So, does any rational human being have a good and sound logical explanation as to where this line in the sand statement even originated? Can anyone rationalize why Americans think their freedoms trump everyone else's? I mean in a cursory review flatlines their entire argument.
3/ I mean if we take even a casual look at the USA, we find that there is this “Better Than the Bible” document, the Constitution that enables US citizens to have freedom from everything. So, basically, a document that was written in 1778 when slavery (definitely NOT a freedom thing) was perfectly
4/ OK, where women couldn’t vote, where blacks were disenfranchised and granted unlimited freedoms sets the gold standard for freedom in the minds of Americans.
5/ Let’s start with the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution enacted in 1792. This amendment apparently gives Americans the right to say anything to anyone about anything and there is not a country in the world that does this better. Except, in the USA there are limitations or boundaries to freedom
6/ of speech related to libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, food labelling, non-disclosure agreements, the right to privacy, dignity, the right to be forgotten, public security, and perjury. In
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I´m from Germany, here you can tell your opinion on everything, it´s only so that usually nobody´s interested in it, that´s #Democracy...
... unless there's an actual fire.
The USA is a developing nation that is, unfortunately, regressing fast.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/28/fact-from-fiction-finlands-new-lessons-in-combating-fake-news
Should have been called LyingDaily
If those lies cause damage people can be prosecuted.
The problem is, no one in the U.S. is doing laws anymore.
Most US citizens identify as Candians when in public though, so it seems people with a passport are aware.
MAGAats throw a fit
And weak America allows the fit
That's their idea of free speech. It's sad and pathetic. Only losers or liars need that.
If there is no penalty for lying, then the truth stands no chance.
They are allowed to broadcast because they claim not to be a news channel.
This is how far we have sunk, Steve Bannon is now the voice of reason within MAGA.
Before posting or replying:
- Is it helpful?
- Is it necessary?
- Is it respectful?
- Would you use that language at work/ with family?
- Would you let Grandma read it?
If not, take a breath, don’t type right now.”
What, it does? Well, what do you know!
I haven’t seen a gun in years now, and I couldn’t be happier about that!
I don't think we have ever had a school mass shooting, so our kids don't have to practice Active Shooter drills
Until there's a 1000% emoji, 10 100s will have to suffice.
Free speech
Immigration
Conspiracies and paranoia
Thank god they don't have to think about corporate tax evasion, wage theft, the privatisation of healthcare, the climate emergency .... and what would they say if they did?
It's not "free speech" they want at all...
...they want "freedom from consequences" for themselves, and "restricted speech" for everyone else.
Their use of "free speech" is about claiming the moral high ground their real position lacks.
🙄
When criminals rule the land, no one is safe
https://bsky.app/profile/mls1.bsky.social/post/3lgorh3jwb22s
- Libel (written defamation) and slander (spoken defamation) are both actionable, but libel tends to dominate due to its lasting nature.
- The burden of proof lies primarily on the **defendant** to show their statements are true or otherwise defensible.
- Defamation laws vary by state but are shaped by the **First Amendment** of the Constitution.
- Libel and slander distinctions exist, but free speech protections often take precedence.
- The burden of proof lies with the **plaintiff**, particularly to demonstrate falsity and actual harm.
You are free to do so but there are likely to be consequences especially in print - which includes online via any Social Media platform ☯️
saying Elon Musk does (illegal thing) could get you a libel charge 🚫
Saying Elon Musk has been alleged to support Far Right organisation AfD in Germamy - as reported by CNN - SHOULD be fine ☯️
If you can't use your freedom responsibility, you will be held accountable.
They just boost each other all over the world with they're propaganda.
People should all over the world just look their "narratives" how they mixmatch everytime and make no logic.
It is just propaganda and BS
Like the freedom TO voice your opinion
And freedom FROM being gunned down by some lunatic who dislikes what you said
MAGAs belligerently defend their freedom to hurt other people, but not those people's freedom to just go about their day in safety
Which is why just screaming FREEDOOM without identifying a realistic threat you want freedom FROM is so often a 🚩
MAGAs don't understand the meaning of 'freedom', or 'responsibility'.
Of the economic system and top of the political system.
🇮🇪🇪🇺
I'm also caring, truthful and conduct myself with respect.
Not free to mislead with lies.
Can say anything about anything any time if have enough money.
The intent of the First Amendment was not to allow the blatant and rampant spread of disinformation for wrongful political gain and maintaining power.