I’m going to say this again. Given that the Ontario Liberal, NDP and Green Parties are WELL AWARE of the likelihood that splitting the vote would hand the Doug Ford Conservatives another comfortable majority govt with a small % of the vote, I’d think they would put aside ambitions AND WORK TOGETHER. - ThreadSky

brenttoderian.bsky.social • 109 days ago

I’m going to say this again. Given that the Ontario Liberal, NDP and Green Parties are WELL AWARE of the likelihood that splitting the vote would hand the Doug Ford Conservatives another comfortable majority govt with a small % of the vote, I’d think they would put aside ambitions AND WORK TOGETHER.

Reposted from Brent Toderian

This is SHOCKING. Among everything else that’s despicable about this, ITS A CLEAR ADMISSION THAT THEY KNOW THAT DOING THIS WILL OBVIOUSLY ENDANGER LIVES.

People rode bikes on these streets before the bike-lanes (albeit fewer) and they will again after. The inevitable blood will be on Ford’s hands.

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johnny-sim.bsky.social•109 days ago

Definitely, run with the sole platform of Electoral Reform. No more fake majorities. Once established they disband and let the electorate pick a government that truly represents Ontario.

marinuspdegroot.bsky.social•107 days ago

Yes, but stakes are too high; we can't leave it up to them. We have find a way to VOTE TOGETHER, riding by riding, but also ENGAGE in the deliberation process as the campaign unfolds, and not just react to whatever the various parties decide to dish out in terms of slogans and promises.

1marzipan.bsky.social•109 days ago

.. because divisiveness isn't the hill to die on when Doug Ford needs to be displaced.
Ontario is counting on you!

lorirn.bsky.social•108 days ago

Watching Horwath and Wynne attacking each other was the most rage inducing thing

Then Horwath pulled that 💩 on Del Duca ( I voted for her because of my riding)

After Elxn learning their goal was to retain opposition was a turning point for me. People died during Covid & their goal was 2nd place?

borgalerp.bsky.social•107 days ago

This is all I want from politics.

slimdude.ca•109 days ago

How about third place Liberal supporters work together by voting for their local NDP candidate. Bonnie Crombie isn’t going to fix Ford’s mess. She’ll just adapt to it. That’s what Liberals do.

ojc.bsky.social•17 days ago

First past the post is a god awful voting system.

I'm not Canadian but Canada should really have proportional representation so people can vote for the party and policies they actually want.

https://www.fairvote.ca/03/10/2024/fact-checking-justin-trudeau-on-electoral-reform/

enorconhcet.bsky.social•109 days ago

Coalitions are a necessary part of first-past-the-post 'democracy'.

blackcountrybaby.bsky.social•109 days ago

The Ontario opposition is a hot mess. The only one that I can trust is Mike Schreiner.

tallboy66.bsky.social•37 days ago

A Chicago lawyer said that too
Cyclists aren't the intended road user

So people minding their business can be hurt or killed by a law breaking driver and have no recourse

mossgardener.bsky.social•37 days ago

He does a lot of things I don’t agree with, but I don’t think he’s an authoritarian. Sad that should be the bar

mossgardener.bsky.social•37 days ago

When Ontario goes Conservative provincially they usually go the opposite federally. I like bike lanes and this is bad, but I hope he wins

chrismshea.bsky.social•107 days ago

That’s some real Trumpian shit right there

thomasmcveigh.com•109 days ago

The Liberals and the NDP aren’t interchangeable. It’s not power seeking. It’s genuine disagreement with policy. I wouldn’t vote Liberal any more than I would vote Con.

consbegone.bsky.social•109 days ago

This is an emergency. It’s literally ABC or fascism.

thomasmcveigh.com•109 days ago

Y’all remember Kathleen Wynne attacking the NDP when it was clear that the Liberals were going to lose? They wanted to make sure that the Cons won, not the NDP. The Liberals as an institution prefer fascism to socialism.

caro-s.bsky.social•17 days ago

Then you’ll get a conservative government.

robppm319.bsky.social•109 days ago

and many of us Libs feel the same.
let them join a party and win a fight on the convention floor for their 'back of envelope' plans.
cheers.

rbulnes.bsky.social•17 days ago

This is the left-wing purity test that hands the conservatives election wins.

thomasmcveigh.com•17 days ago

Somehow centrists always lean right when it’s crunch time.

devanmarr.bsky.social•109 days ago

But the Venn diagram has some overlap right? If the political will was there, the parties could absolutely come up with a coalition slate. Neither party would get everything they want, but they get the chance to actually make some policies a reality.

themamiyaman.bsky.social•37 days ago

They won't

acampbelteacher.bsky.social•37 days ago

🤬🤬🤬

caro-s.bsky.social•17 days ago

Kingston Ontario voted in favour of a ranked ballot for its mayoralty elections. D T arbitrarily overturned that democratic vote almost immediately after he was elected the first time.

miketrilobite.bsky.social•109 days ago

Pre-empting lawsuits is Ford's way of saying 'Yes, people will be killed and injured, but I wash my hands of it.' And here I thought conservatives were all about personal responsibility. I should have known better knowing how they just love limited liability corporations and LLPs.

markshawtoronto.bsky.social•109 days ago

France style one candidate in PC held ridings 💪

wallybuan0.bsky.social•109 days ago

If you trust Crombie to not immediately collaborate with the PCs as Macron did with Republicans…

scribblenut.bsky.social•106 days ago

And whose priorities and platform gets dominance in that case?

The reason Ford was reelected last time was not due to vote splitting, it was due to voter apathy. We need a party that actually has the gonnads to stand out, and stand up to the problems we face

scribblenut.bsky.social•106 days ago

Not regurgitate the same bullshit unbelievable platforms. Nobody trusts any of the parties to actually be anything but mouth pieces for corporate Ontario, so they don't bother to vote.

If you get those 3 parties working together, al you'll get is a useless govt that won't do anything to help

odinismygson.bsky.social•108 days ago

They might also invest some effort into figuring how to get their supporters off of their duffs and to actually vote as a civic duty.

ee.bsky.social•109 days ago

This needs to be said again and again, with the biggest megaphone possible. It’s the *only* way to get rid of Ford.

I’d go one step further and say they’re complicit in everything Ford is doing if they choose party over province.

Any ideas how we make them do it beyond yelling as loud as we can?

fredkroff.bsky.social•43 days ago

This is the height of cynicism 😡

They know that they will endanger people but they do it anyway and they don’t want to take responsibility for it

rdroc.bsky.social•109 days ago

I’ve been saying this for years. The opposition parties need to bury their egos and work together. It’s the only way this PC government will be defeated.

mahlersfifth.bsky.social•109 days ago

I do not remember a time when this was so…😢

rdroc.bsky.social•109 days ago

In Canadian politics, it’s rare. But without drastic action like this, the PCs will win a third majority and continue to erode the things that truly make Ontario good.

robppm319.bsky.social•109 days ago

Join a party, there is open membership.
advocate and move an internal party motion, win the vote.
Then have the party's leadership approach other partys' leaderships.
It really isn't as simple as implied.

hummingturd.bsky.social•109 days ago

I'd love it if my party (the NDP) worked with the Greens and OLP, I just wish it didn't have to come at the cost of any sort of leftist policy positions held by the ONDP (and that's not really saying much).

chrishill.bsky.social•103 days ago

It would be great if @mikeschreiner.bsky.social would come out leading on this

garethewilliams.ca•109 days ago

I would love to see a primary type system as done in the UK election earlier this year. Let voters select the progressive candidate who has the best chance to beat the Conservative with a clear mandate to implement electoral reform. It can be done if the will is there.

mslenakay.bsky.social•108 days ago

Truly, all I want for Christmas is for them to actually do that

indigomirage.com•109 days ago

Yup. And it needs to be said as often as possible. Unless the goal really is to (again) intentionally vie for third place, they MUST collaborate.

devanmarr.bsky.social•109 days ago

I’ve been grumbling about this. Coalition government. Liberals get to come in from the cold. NDP get to show off what they can actually do when they have power. But they won’t. Liberals won’t want to share and I doubt the NDP actually WANT power.

streetsvillain.bsky.social•109 days ago

Yea the sense i get in the ndp is just the back-backbench for the Liberals. It's the minor league/shallow end for people who werent vicious enough to make it in the deep end. It's a holding container, a way for Neoliberal Klanada to pretend we do (or could do) a socialism.

streetsvillain.bsky.social•109 days ago

Theres that old saying about how the political sides are just wings of the same bird. For the NDP to be what theyre supposed to be theyd have to be one of the birds legs or its head or a mutant third wing. But the NDP are just a feather tucked into the Liberal wing.

chadleddy.bsky.social•109 days ago

One of the many problems with first past the post is that parties need to be smart enough to compromise on candidates/ridings before the election rather than negotiate on policy after… a much taller order

devanmarr.bsky.social•109 days ago

I remember when it was floated back in…2012? at the federal level and Harper spun it as “unconstitutional” which drove me nuts!

chadleddy.bsky.social•109 days ago

Yeah, that was a pretty cynical argument. The fact that prorogation was agreed to by Governor General Jean in those circumstances made me think the governor general’s non symbolic powers should be transferred to a constitutional court.

devanmarr.bsky.social•109 days ago

But…make Mike Scheiner the Premier…

trishly.bsky.social•37 days ago

#dougfordnasty

blueskysol.bsky.social•42 days ago

Setting aside for a moment that the NDP and Liberals hate each other with the white-hot rage of a thousand suns, the @ondp.bsky.social have removed themselves from consideration with their craven capitulation to the Zionist lobby. We have the two main parties for that. What do we need them for?

stephengm.bsky.social•109 days ago

I'd love to see a progressive electoral accord - the Liberals, NDP, and Greens all agree to not run against each other. Everyone keeps the ridings they already hold and they find a metric to allocate the Conservative-held ridings among them. Agree on broad policy areas for post-election cooperation.

garethewilliams.ca•109 days ago

Or a community led primary process as done in several ridings in the UK earlier this year. And it *worked*!
https://www.politicalprimary.org

simonyyz.bsky.social•109 days ago

Interesting - and a grass roots approach like this would be harder to criticize as 'anti-democratic' by the Conservative strategists (which is dumb, but is the inevitable cry when opposition parties work together).

jacqueline99.bsky.social•109 days ago

This, exactly.
Just DO SOMETHING to show you care for voters.

stephengm.bsky.social•109 days ago

Oh, wow, I'd never heard of this! Thanks!

monkeym1nd.bsky.social•109 days ago

#NDP and #ONLibs Must form a coalition to take down #FordEmperor4Life. As a mostly Lib voter sometimes NDP, I have hedged on who to vote for. Crombie has disappointed by her Right centre lean. She is going to blow it unless she & Marit work together. No time for Ego, people! #TogetherWeWin!

robppm319.bsky.social•109 days ago

join a party, the volunteers inside could change policy to support your ideas.
otherwise your position is most disrespectful of 1000's of volunteers in 2 parties.

robppm319.bsky.social•109 days ago

coalitions are formed after the voters have elected their representatives.

mattvardy.bsky.social•42 days ago

They definitely need to combine into 1. And not just provincially but federally as well.

tomatohat.bsky.social•109 days ago

How much does Ontario still have a perpetual fear of "Rae Days"? I think there's also the issue of the ONDP leader needing to get more out there, and providing a counter-narrative to Ford.

pedview.bsky.social•107 days ago

Dear sir, you are clearly an expert in your field and I learn from some of your posts but your habit of reposting your own posts is clogging my feed. To improve my Bluesky experience, I may need to unfollow you.

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