If you're one of the people in my mentions who earnestly believes that Canada has attained some sort of post-scarcity healthcare economy, this story should hopefully make it clear that they have not. www.cbc.ca/news/canada/... - ThreadSky

johnbrownstan.bsky.social • 93 days ago

If you're one of the people in my mentions who earnestly believes that Canada has attained some sort of post-scarcity healthcare economy, this story should hopefully make it clear that they have not.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/woman-right-leg-amputated-post-surgery-infection-1.7411886

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appa69.bsky.social•93 days ago

I bet this doesn't happen to wealthy Canadians....

riffcahokiashill.bsky.social•93 days ago

Another big one in Canada is the lack of MRI mechines leading to huge waitlists. Most American cities have more MRIs than the entirely of Canada.

johnbrownstan.bsky.social•93 days ago

This woman had to wait six years to get a knee replacement. Complications arose during the procedure and she got an infection. The doctor at hospital A cleaned out some tissue, but the woman needed to see an orthopedic surgeon before they could stitch her up, so she was transferred to hospital B.

johnbrownstan.bsky.social•93 days ago

She ended up having to wait at hospital B with a painful, open wound for several weeks because hospital A no longer had a bed for her. Once she finally got re-transferred, the wound had become badly infected again and her leg needed to be amputated.

slawekwojtowicz.bsky.social•91 days ago

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johnbrownstan.bsky.social•93 days ago

Sorry, 8 days, not several weeks. I misread a line in the article.

willowminder.bsky.social•93 days ago

In America she would still be on the phone with her insurer as they were amputating her arm.

johnbrownstan.bsky.social•93 days ago

No. Either

1) It all would have worked out (knee replaced, stitches, no surprise bills).

2) She would have never gotten her knee replaced because she couldn't afford it.

3) She would have gotten treatment and then spent months fighting with insurance to pay for it.

johnbrownstan.bsky.social•93 days ago

Every health care system has its horror stories and this is not meant as an indictment of the Canadian model. Just an illustrative example of how Canada rations its care.

Making the woman wait 6 years was rationing. Being unable to transfer her back despite her open wound was rationing.

johnbrownstan.bsky.social•93 days ago

All systems ration care, because healthcare resources are not infinite.

johnbrownstan.bsky.social•93 days ago

Apologies to whoever originally posted this link in my replies. I can't find your comment anymore.

sweatuhgod.bsky.social•93 days ago

What's your goal telling this story? Our system is better? We got it good? Universal healthcare isn't worth it?

cidonnelly.bsky.social•93 days ago

Nonsense.

odellus.bsky.social•92 days ago

how does this effect rationing of care bud?

jag032507.bsky.social•93 days ago

Six years seems overly ridiculous. Are there that few ortho surgeons or beds available there?

trinlisabeth.bsky.social•93 days ago

Interesting story. Not surprising because Canadian healthcare is struggling. Many doctors go to the US to make more $, there's a push to privatize, years of too little funding have to be overcome.
But the bottom line is that care is triaged by need. That's a good thing.

appa69.bsky.social•93 days ago

This has been a problem for years. I remember in the early 2000s a large number of docs at the hospital I worked at were Canadian...

trinlisabeth.bsky.social•92 days ago

Apparently, it's becoming less of problem as the empire declines. Still, it's hard to compete with what the 10% can pay.

appa69.bsky.social•92 days ago

As things get crazier here, money will become less inticing.

spagiola.bsky.social•93 days ago

All health systems have problems. But most other developed countries manage to achieve similar or better outcomes at dramatically lower costs

johnbrownstan.bsky.social•93 days ago

We get similar outcomes in terms of the outcomes we choose to measure, but not all health spending relates directly to health outcomes. Americans (with insurance) get better ancillary services.

trinlisabeth.bsky.social•93 days ago

The US and Canada get similar outcomes? I don't think so, not in terms of maternal mortality, life expectancy, etc.

barrybarnes.bsky.social•93 days ago

Are these the same Americans with insurance who have been posting their insurance nightmares by the millions these past few weeks ...or some other group?

bcreality.bsky.social•93 days ago

Who has been working tirelessly to ration care in the Canadian healthcare system? CONservative Premiers. For years CONservative Premiers have been siphoning off healthcare dollars for other purposes. This is why the PM put conditions on extra healthcare transfers & CON premiers were last to sign on

bcreality.bsky.social•93 days ago

Exhibit A https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/bc-health-accord-1.6991510

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