I can’t stress enough that it should really not be difficult for Democrats to come up with a winning message - ThreadSky

brendelbored.bsky.social • 16 days ago

I can’t stress enough that it should really not be difficult for Democrats to come up with a winning message

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Once you understand they win by cashing the cheques their lobbies give them it makes more sense. Hint hint it's the same people often paying Donald so they look opposed but behind closed doors it's all gravy

bushwazi.bsky.social•16 days ago

Really? Because Harris ran on money for new homes, new families and new businesses and Trump was considered pro-working man. And the silent part of her ticket was “we won’t fuck with social security”. Americans don’t deserve nice things.

zombiscribe.bsky.social•16 days ago

I don’t see the polling information on what donors want and they are the only real people… 🙃

mattpt55.bsky.social•16 days ago

A new kitchen table in every pot! That's gotta be a winner /humor

coloradotravis.bsky.social•16 days ago

The challenge I see with the Dems is not so much one of framing the right core message, but rather one of defending against disingenuous rhetoric.

Well that and not getting stabbed in the back by Schumer.

biohazardous.bsky.social•16 days ago

A party beholden to the donations of capitalists is not going to fight effectively against the GOP, the capitalists pet project.

highestmarx.bsky.social•16 days ago

Dem consultants see this and immediately start on a “making the blockchain work for your family” pitch

sensualkazoo.bsky.social•16 days ago

Because crypto is following the AIPAC playbook and throwing tons of money at the opponents of people they think are anti crypto. They spent more than the oil industry last election and have a massive war chest for the mid terms.

alicedyeforme.bsky.social•16 days ago

...yeah...

https://www.pcmag.com/news/kamala-harris-urges-those-working-on-ai-to-consider-trust-empathy

alextypical.bsky.social•16 days ago

And yet…

jerry-lundegaard.bsky.social•16 days ago

no great mystery why they put the muzzle in ol' Walzy

j9-on.bsky.social•15 days ago

Does it matter what Dems are going to do now when GOP has 3 branches of gov? For the last 8wks GOP has been taking away rts & jobs, rolling bck regulations that kept ppl healthier & safer, & are reorganizing DOJ. We have a run away Pres that has ctrl of GOP lead Cong. Isn't that the prob? @msnbc.com

starphaux.bsky.social•16 days ago

At a certain point it becomes clear that some members of the dem party are intentionally hobbling it from the inside.

preciouslarue.bsky.social•16 days ago

It's time that the Democrat's gerontocracy be put to pasture. They simply don't have the skills necessary to compete in the 21st century. They should have already had a plan in place to defend against Project 2025. They still don't. In the very least, they should have a unified message. They don't.

detryckvondoom.bsky.social•16 days ago

Because that would hurt their portfolios.

impcus.bsky.social•16 days ago

Theyll fuck it up completely, don't worry

thierryemanuel.bsky.social•16 days ago

In Switzerland with its direct democracy the left would pull a nation wide referendum over this and the right would lose big big time.

grumpyrootbeer.bsky.social•16 days ago

"Donald Trump and Elon Musk want to steal your social security and Medicare dollars and give them to Wall Street and the health insurance industry"

thurgoodslegacy.bsky.social•16 days ago

Looks to me that what people most want government to do is exactly what Biden was doing. Is this about Dems’ failure to get out their message or trump supporters throwing out their own well being in favor of white supremacy?

binderyman.bsky.social•16 days ago

Show us a poll of Democrats big money donors

mcfarl.bsky.social•16 days ago

Why do Democrats feel they have to save republican voters from republican lawmakers.

They voted for trump, let them feel the full effects of voting for a racist, misogynistic, sexual predator, rapist, convict, fraud and wannabe fascist dictator.

detryckvondoom.bsky.social•16 days ago

That’s really not how that works, my dude.

flexdad.bsky.social•16 days ago

If only people actually voted for this. They say this in polls and then turn around and vote for facism.

katiecannon.bsky.social•16 days ago

Winning message:

Our Constitution established our national currency in our name to pay for our General Welfare

Government spending for public goods and services reduces household reliance on bank loans

Austerity creates poverty & unsustainable levels of household debt

nitricacidbottle.bsky.social•16 days ago

thewettanktops.bsky.social•16 days ago

I don’t know how to explain that this shit is literally all actual Democrats talk about all the fucking time

Nobody from the media, to the rw propaganda machine, to median low info voters, to online lefties even pretend to actually listen to what they actually say.

thewettanktops.bsky.social•16 days ago

Almost nobody on this fucking site even knows what Kamala actually said in any of her commercials or speeches or media engagements, never mind stated policy positions.

verygoodsoftwarenotvirus.ru•16 days ago

It’s not the message that’s difficult to come up with, it’s people who can deliver that message with any legitimacy they lack

skankincycle.bsky.social•16 days ago

If they could actually learn from their losses, they would realize that maybe the fact Sanders' legit challenge to Clinton was based entirely on giving people healthcare.
The only thing I heard Harris mention was some help for at home care.

mlgroth.bsky.social•16 days ago

It’s like, good cop/bad cop but they’re both bad cops

psvrh.bsky.social•16 days ago

Bad cop, worse cop

detryckvondoom.bsky.social•16 days ago

This is it.

sintendo69.com•16 days ago

It's not that it's difficult. Just that the few billionaires still giving the Party money want everything but that.

brendelbored.bsky.social•16 days ago

Republicans: social security is running out of money

Voters: we should increase funding to social security

Republicans: Bitcoin it is

Voters: raise taxes on the weal-

Chuck Schumer, cutting them off: ok let’s support a national bathroom bill

brendelbored.bsky.social•16 days ago

Democrats right now should be doing one of those Contract With America Newt Gingrich things except with shit that doesn’t suck, like “no trading individual stocks”, “money for social security”, “robust anti-corruption legislation”, make republicans oppose that shit, make them explain it

notpickard.bsky.social•16 days ago

obama is held in high regard as a once in a generation orator but it seems like he just talked about stuff people wanted to hear and the other dems just wont do it

agent53.bsky.social•16 days ago

Basically, this. Studies find that when you strip names and parties away, Democrat policies are wildly popular.

But catchy slogans and strong personalities are what win national elections.

daivereed.bsky.social•16 days ago

Yeah but then Democrats would have to explain why they oppose that shit

historysraven.bsky.social•16 days ago

In before some dipshit says this is “pointless grandstanding.” Because some dipshit collaborator Dem voter will absolutely say that.

rocketmansparty.bsky.social•16 days ago

Chuck Koch and his network are funding efforts to privatize social security. While they have scrubbed the internet of the truth, I did find some information on their disaster in Chile:

maxellxlii.bsky.social•16 days ago

mattweiner19.bsky.social•16 days ago

it should also not be difficult to come up with a dunk on Schumer that isn't 180 degrees reversed from what happened

he sucks! he surrendered because he was afraid of messaging something obvious! also his whole caucus blocked anti-trans legislation

https://apnews.com/article/transgender-athletes-congress-dfd81b15ebc09409f1bf6c8642f130f3

eileenhstuff.bsky.social•13 days ago

Easy way to save social security. People do not know that in 2025 the maximum earnings subject social security tax is $176,100.

Most of us pay social security tax on every penny we ever earn, but not the top %.

If we eliminate this cap and cap benefits paid out, that will save social security.

eileenhstuff.bsky.social•15 days ago

rocketmansparty.bsky.social•16 days ago

Koch talks a lot about the success of privatization of social security in Chile but they do a lot to hide the truth on the internet.

I think I capture something close to the truth:

straighttalk317.bsky.social•16 days ago

They really should also just stop like sitting in chairs all slumped over and sad and old when cameras are around.

dan-punday.bsky.social•16 days ago

I don't want to sound resentful, but that was literally their message in the fall. Look at all this infrastructure spending! We'll protect medicare! Let make housing more affordable! And voters were like, "meh."

detryckvondoom.bsky.social•16 days ago

No, it’s that when we were told that money was going to infrastructure it went directly to police departments. Much of the infrastructure money didn’t go to actual infrastructure it went to building new prisons and police training facilities.

thewettanktops.bsky.social•16 days ago

Yes a deep knowledge on the earmarking of infrastructure spending is obviously what sunk democrats to median “durrr he duhh bizznessman!” voters yup….

dan-punday.bsky.social•16 days ago

I don't want to get in a pissing match here (but that seems like what you're looking for, with that insulting "no") but the literal text of the inflation reduction act and CHIPS disagree:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_Reduction_Act

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHIPS_and_Science_Act

Check out the "impact" sections for each.

jikukeiseki.bsky.social•16 days ago

they need to do this and also not materially support genocide🤷🏽

leftinfighter.bsky.social•15 days ago

The Democrat Party is wholly in bed with crypto. Kamala even touted her support of it as one of the ways she was helping Black men.

proggrrl.bsky.social•16 days ago

I feel like Harris and Walz talked about this CONSTANTLY sigh

bushwazi.bsky.social•16 days ago

Yeah, I hate this story line. “Dems are useless”, except we all knew who Trump was and folks couldn’t rally to vote against it. If the voter was a sentient being the Dems wouldn’t have had to say a word to win the election…

proggrrl.bsky.social•16 days ago

the real story line is dems are too busy trying to actually help others to build an evil propaganda empire that wins by lying to americans

bushwazi.bsky.social•15 days ago

If they can make this their brand, it's a good start...

proggrrl.bsky.social•16 days ago

I remain convinced that the real issue is people stayed home due to not wanting a woman or POC as president, combined with anti-incumbency vibes (the stupidest reason for voting among most)

bushwazi.bsky.social•15 days ago

Again, sure. But we can't all be surprised and/or complain that the Dems have no power now. We knew who Trump+ was and if not having a woman or non-white was more important that his whole bag, you get what you ask for.

detryckvondoom.bsky.social•16 days ago

No, it was the genocide.

bushwazi.bsky.social•15 days ago

Which one? I'm trying to figure out where I should build my next casino.

usmpa-c.bsky.social•16 days ago

It’s amazing because America has a plentiful supply of power-hungry monsters and this is a ready-made constituency that one of them could easily harness to achieve immense political power (and personal wealth) and no one has what? The courage? The imagination? Pathetic

johncastiglione.bsky.social•16 days ago

Their problem isn’t finding a message. They have this exact message and have for years. It’s that their method and manner of communicating it is completely broken - wrong people, wrong words, wrong fora.

cfaller96.bsky.social•16 days ago

Regulatory capture is a thing, and it’s on both sides now. The billionaires own the pols, so we’re ruled by the billionaires.

For now.

crash97007.bsky.social•16 days ago

The message is the easy part. Finding the delivery person is a bigger challenge

boudica24.bsky.social•16 days ago

Welp, they need to fire their PR consultants who are clearly working for the other side and get a new one, preferably vetted.

mattsawyer.bsky.social•16 days ago

You’d think not. But when the Labour Party tried in 1992, the right wing press and their friends in broadcasting made sure the Tories scrapped in for a fourth term. That’s why they’ve given up trying the approach of “what the public want” again. Except for the Corbyn years.

silvy777.bsky.social•16 days ago

It is hard to overstate how Democrats supporting genocide in Gaza, giving standing ovation after standing ovation to Netanyahu (and by extension his Kushner-Trump-Evangelical etc network) uplifted & cemented US fascism. US voted again & again to dismantle human rights law. No protection for anyone.

detryckvondoom.bsky.social•16 days ago

EXACTLY.

silvy777.bsky.social•16 days ago

Genocidal weapons/AI industry is in power. Like in 1981 when Iranian hostages were released minutes after Reagan inaugurated, Manafort was again involved in 2025 when ceasefire in Gaza was announced day before inauguration. The same people, same weapons companies, now with AI CEOs in on the profit

silvy777.bsky.social•16 days ago

Each additional war, prison, mass surveillance is sucking money from ALL taxpayers & funnelling it to investors of the weapons/oil/AI/prison industry. Top 1% owns half US stock market. Top 10% by income own 87% of stock market. Black people & Latino people collectively each own <1% of stock market.

silvy777.bsky.social•16 days ago

Pro-racist, segregationist erasure of non-white people is white supremacist agenda. Affirmative action hasnt achieved equality yet, & they destroyed it. Musk, neo-Nazis, Evangelicals, & all-far right Catholic Supreme Court majority are building Musk's dream of creating apartheid S Africa in US.

silvy777.bsky.social•16 days ago

And Democrats joined with these US segregationists to applaud apartheid Israel, protect Netanyahu from his financial crimes as he dismantled Israel judiciary, & commit genocide to profit US investors. Our government is on the road to an AI/military enforced apartheid.

https://www.fool.com/research/how-many-americans-own-stock/

silvy777.bsky.social•16 days ago

https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:h4jhv6ngxsrevsfuyucplj2l/post/3lkiniqub6s2v

oozeley.bsky.social•16 days ago

they're getting paid to lose

quesador.bsky.social•16 days ago

Too bad we spend all our money on forcibly transitioning schoolchildren and teaching DEI to impoverished foreigners

dashwallkick.bsky.social•16 days ago

We're gonna triangulate so hard on these two issues

stebe.bsky.social•16 days ago

“Crypto4All, Medicare & Social Security for some!”

beeooow.bsky.social•15 days ago

see but your problem is that doing anything to actually help people would be leftist and therefore extremist and part of the reason why kamala lost

blazewarriorwolf.bsky.social•16 days ago

The only difficulty they have is motivation, which they refuse to use if they have any at all.

zeroisanumber.bsky.social•16 days ago

stg it's like they suck this bad on purpose

detryckvondoom.bsky.social•16 days ago

You’re onto something.

kells-bells-5.bsky.social•16 days ago

Now that I think about it, I bet consultants look at this polling and immediately make a plan of action to change all the bad public opinions they don’t like. They see this and think, “We need to make people like crypto,” not “We need to protect Social Security.”

megrosejoy.bsky.social•16 days ago

But have the voters considered that a government shutdown would have interfered with Chuck Schumer’s book tour?

ecarney.bsky.social•16 days ago

A winning message identifies a clear enemy, which is exactly what Democrats are unwilling to do, so we're stuck with an endless churn of, "Our respected colleagues across the aisle have valid concerns, but we just don't see eye-to-eye on which solutions work best for American families."

moonstruckella.bsky.social•16 days ago

I'm still completely stunned by one of their bullet point messages to black people being crypto protection

sensualkazoo.bsky.social•16 days ago

Ah but you see the crypto freaks spent more on the last election than the oil industry. How much is the social security administration willing to contribute to the party?

worsepeoplepods.bsky.social•16 days ago

Unfortunately, there is no such party anymore. We have people with the same views as 1980s Reagan-era Republicans (sans any kind of spine) masquerading as Democrats and we have hard right neo-fascists in red hats. Or black hats, as it were. That's it.

brawnald.bsky.social•16 days ago

They're paid not to

expat123.bsky.social•16 days ago

Would you like to review something?

trodeljunco.bsky.social•16 days ago

This @vanityfair article on Thiel/Yarvin from 2022 is long but seems to mirror a lot of what is happening right now. if you don’t want to read it have Safari or Google read the article for you. This is their end game. Eat the rich!

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/04/inside-the-new-right-where-peter-thiel-is-placing-his-biggest-bets

trodeljunco.bsky.social•16 days ago