That's cuz you don't have a right to vote matter of fact no one of us do after January 20th. And what's the point in doing it oh they'll try to get you to do it but what's the point so they can track you cuz that's all it's good for. There is no fair and free elections and this last one proves it
One reason NC voters are disenfranchised is gerrymandering.
I have lived at the same address for a few years but have been in 3 different congressional districts.
They keep re-drawing the lines
I don’t understand not having an ID. When you pay taxes it’s connected to a social security number. 4 out of 10 Americans don’t vote I don’t think it’s cuz they don’t have an Id.
There are dozens of things you need a photo id for, boarding a plane, buying liquor or cigs, get unemployment or ss benefits, open a bank account and many others. As a very liberal Democrat upset by low voter turnout Im lost at the idea we can’t verify one vote per person.
I wonder if some of those that were rejected voted provisionally, but did make the time to go their local BOE to present their photo ID that they didn't have with them on the day they voted. Voters are given until the day before canvass (November 15 this election) to present it.
This is one area where I think GOP is right, if nothing else than to increase confidence in elections. No reason not to have an ID. My son got caught without one because it was a new req. but he went back and got it done. Make it mandatory in all 50 states & when people know, they will bring IDs
For what they're going to spend on that, imagine how many annual physicals, vaccinations and other preventative care measures could be paid for for people with no coverage currently.
I understand there has been voter suppression in many forms (@ still is with many stories this election cycle) but I just don't understand why anyone 18 or older wouldn't have a photo ID. IMO, photo ID's should be issued mandatorily when people hit 16 or 18 regardless of whether they drive.
but it's not. i'll repost this:
my ex-MIL has never driven a car or held a job that did not pay her 'under the table'. she has no access to official documents w/o EXTREME difficulty. she's also poor & black. how easy do you think it was for her to get a photo i.d.?
I'll repeat this. If you can't get yourself documents to live with, voting is probably a secondary concern. I can't imagine the numbers of legal citizens with no documents and no ability to get documents is a really big number but it's great that you care passionately about it.
Make photo ID mandatory at a given age and maybe it's easier. How's she going to get past being poor and black without an ID? Believe what you want but I'm not racist but do believe at some point you need to step up and help yourself. Getting an ID shouldn't be impossible.
It's a good point given digitization of DL photos. It just seems like everyone 18 or older is more than likely to have some sort of photo I'd (like a DL) so if you do, why not just show it to vote?
Yeah once you eliminate the “need” for an ID in order to identify yourself (since the poll worker can do it via the DMV photo), the ownership of a gov’t approved piece of plastic becomes a Poll Tax.
To your point “just show ID”, why did the NCGOP eliminate the state issued and secure UNC system Student ID from the list of acceptable IDs? It seems “just showing ID” isnt good enough.
Is there anyone in that state who is trying to overcome that law and get disenfranchise people the correct ID to enable them to vote easily in the next election?
You know if you forget your ID at the liquor store you dont get booze. If you forget your ID at the bank you cant cash a check. If you forget your ID at the Pharmacy you cant get medication. If you forget your ID during intake at a new job you wont pass your W9.
Everyone should have an ID just so if you have to prove who you are. Now people who can’t read how do you read the rules or the information to make a decision? Just boggles my mind.
I don't know how Marc can do it. I've been fighting for 10 years I feel I wasted. Its just all so corrupt & the thug back in that WHouse like I said he would be in 2021. Outstanding corruption. Infuriating.
My point was that even in states where photo IDs are not required to vote in person there is basically no voter fraud that exploits the lack of photo ID requirement
They will just find something else to focus on. The ID issue isn't a real problem and they know it. This is all smoke to hide that they just don't want anyone who is not them to vote. Give everyone the ID they are currently saying we need and they will find something else to demand or blame.
Not everyone has plans to travel out of the country, but everyone needs an authentic form of identification. I honestly don't know how people get along without an ID. I need one at the doctors office, to get a library card, to rent an apartment, etc. If they need help, volunteers must step forward.
For me, I plan to have a DL and Passport. My birth certificate doesn’t match my last name on my DL. So I plan to use both my DL and Passport as two forms of IDs. The Handmaid Tales running MAGA speak of this so trying to plan ahead.
When I got the enhanced ID, I observed women in line who had been married more than once, with name changes each time, trying to sort it all out; it was pretty cumbersome for them.
Most voter fraud does not come from voters themselves. It comes from people who control the information like Starlink. But I believe that everyone should have at least a passport card if possible, especially since some states are about to allow individuals to report "suspected" immigrants.
No Poll Tax, no Grandfather Clause, no literacy test, don't worry. VOTER ID laws to the rescue. Would Dems rescind these laws if they controlled the state legislator houses in those states or correct gerrymandering? Always being reactive is tiring dammit. You know the GOP mission. Be PROACTIVE Geez!
Marc is there a reason we can’t provide an alternate gov ID? Make it free. Maybe associate it with our library card where we can check out banned books. I would love to ram the GOPs talking points up their a$$es one point at a time!
Yep. The previous state I lived in charged $37.50, people got in line 2 hours before it opened and it still meant missing at least a half days work by the time you got out. And it had to be renewed regularly. It's a poll tax.
If it could be streamlined it would eliminate the talking point on a loop. Perhaps it could give people incentives/discounts they could use for groceries, activities or similar things. It's maddening to have this hung over our heads every election cycle.
When people register to vote, most if not all states require proof of US citizenship. Why isn't just a utility bill enough to prove who a person is at the polls enough?
those are nice incentives but prob unconstitutional. same as muskmelon's cks to fake winners.
the point is that voter fraud is not a thing, it's unconstitutional, complete & utter b.s.
NC provides a free photo ID at a voter's county board of elections. It requires awareness on the part of the voter, time to get there, and transportation. Wake County had some voter registration/voter ID events at local libraries in advance of the 2024 general election.
I feel like the one they used in NE could constitute fraud…the state didn’t give those IDs out for free…and I’m guessing some monies added to the state ledger even for people that are registered voters was a sham to force revenue into a state agenda to profit from a right to vote…
Why aren’t Dems making cheap national ID cards a central policy to comply with all these voting laws? They should be campaigning on national voting holiday and ID cards as well as clearer paths to citizenship. I feel like they don’t have a great plan aside from a few key points
Please elaborate. How so? Is cost of buying a photo ID 2 restrictive, or is it personal/privacy reasons that they refuse 2 have 1? I never understood the rationale why we should accommodate them. 2 me, 1 person, 1 vote, should be with an identified person to have that vote. Care to enlighten me?🤔
Well of course. Democrats now can only vote once and they have to actually live in the state. OHHH NO no more voter fraud, no more Democrats voting 15 times in a election using drop boxes and fraudulent mail in ballots. With honest elections Democrats are going the way of the dinosaurs
It succeeded in keeping people away from the polls, many not showing up to vote. All the misinformation about passports, birth certificates, voter registration cards. People didn't want the hassle of bringing their whole fireproof with them.
Unfortunately, NC has long been a lab experiment for the Koch brothers’ various enterprises. Art Pope, another billionaire and political operator here in NC, is their “other brother by a different mother.” (Thanks, Bob Newhart)
I am generally appalled at the lengths that certain states go to disenfranchise voters and play tricks, never mind gerrymandering. And I live in a no id state. BUT in this case, it affected 0.03% of voters. If the rule is there, it doesn’t seem too unreasonable to expect every voter to have an id.
Thank you for sharing the piece. I am aware of most, and of course agree with the despicable nature of all, the historical suppression in the state and our country.
What I still have trouble with is that the very small number of affected voters (0.03%) seems to indicate this is not a massive issue.
The voter id section of what you shared seems to indicate that the laws have been on the books (and almost certainly implemented in bad faith) from at least 2020. Wouldn’t a voter id drive be more beneficial to fix this and probably also help solve some peripheral issues of citizens needing an id?
sure, but that costs $ & time w/ bodies needed to do it. not gonna happen in my dark red rural county. no dems in power & never will be. that would have to be up to the statewide dems & they don't bother much w/ a small co w/ minority dems who rarely vote.
that's the point. Rs LOVE to create solutions for things that are not problems. makes an uneducated/ignorant base think they are accomplishing something when they are not.
If they want an ID law, ALL STATES should provide ALL registered voters ID cards. Having to pay for ID to vote is the same as a poll tax but of course the current SCOTUS majority won't see it that way.
That's so unconstitutional. Is there no way to file to get another vote in NC and other places with similar laws? It's a form of voter fraud by the state.
This isn't meant to be a support for or against it. The fact remains that in all states that "require" it, they have to have an exception procedure. You can't prohibit someone from voting just because they got robbed the day before an election.
I'm not missing any of that. I'm painfully aware of all of it having worked in elections in 2 different very red states. But if we educate people to realize they do not in fact need the IDs and can request alternate forms of paperwork we can make sure everyone who wants to vote is able to.
NC allows the use of an expired license for an older person as long as it was valid on their 65th birthday. The election worker should have asked for photo ID.
I'm well aware of all of this. I was simply observing that these "voter ID laws" are obviously meant to target specific demographics. It isn't about following the law, it's about gatekeeping access to the ballots regardless of eligibility as much as possible.
“Throwing out preclearance when it has worked and is continuing to work to stop discriminatory changes is like throwing away your umbrella in a rainstorm because you are not getting wet.”
She was right, of course, and so would have been a new Voting Rights Act, but we're on the defensive now and pointing out the discriminatory effects of pending and recently passed legislation is still important at the margin.
Funny story. The NC State Supreme Court had ruled that voter photo ID was not allowed. When the majority on the court swung from Dem to Rep, they reheard the case and ruled it was allowed. Not sure if the US Supreme Court would hear the case.
Then DO something about it Marc! Don't be a jack smith and wring your hands and complain about it being unfair while doing absolutely nothing until it's suddenly election time again and you can't get anything done. Crap or get off the pot! Everyone who might have done something about Trump failed us
Umm are states making it impossible for minorities to vote, yes. Are Republicans making new rules for voting as it suits them, yes. Democrats more often than not whine and call that action. What happened to the folks who sat at counters to get service KNOWING they'd be arrested by the truckload?
The Supreme Court’s decisions in Citizens United (2010) and Shelby County (2013) are achieving the desired results. But stay encouraged. Trouble don’t last always.
If only there was a way to inform people they are required to give a Valid Social Security number at registration and that Valid Social Security number is used to track every vote. It’s not an ID issue, it’s a Murikkka is full of morons and media doesn’t do its job problem
Okay after going on about having photo ID to vote in most states. Maybe it’s time to raise money for people to get a photo ID. Where I live they can get one for up to 8yrs. The fraud across so many areas you need one for many things. Let’s work on that for midterm 2026🤨
This is what I mean by new strategy is needed. Every time a 🗳️ is required this issue continues to plague the 🇺🇸! Address why photo ID is difficult! Who is most affected! Now, today,is the time for NC to work on 2026/2028! Pro-active from grass roots, churches…message is getting lost on the ground!
But they elected Dems to other positions. I just don’t get how so many states ‘elected’ Trump AND simultaneously elected D governors. Did THAT many people split the ticket?!? Or did Trump cheat as per usual.
The NCSBE actually WAS offering free voter IDs, but I live in a pretty populated area where the local Democrats may have been more proactive in advertising those.
Some of our most rural counties (esp in the NE of the state) are majority-black. I wonder how many actually knew this was an option.
I’m sorry, but I’m missing something. How do you draw that conclusion from the quoted post? I live in NC, and I haven’t seen an ID without a photo since I was a kid. Is the form of the ID a giveaway?
i live in NC as well. lemme help you out.
my ex-MIL has never driven a car or held a job that did not pay her 'under the table'. she has no access to official documents w/o extreme difficulty. she's also poor & black. how easy do you think it was for her to get a photo i.d.?
Am I the only one who’s astounded at how uniquely manipulative NC Republican legislators are? There’s always a plot to guarantee they’ll win, even when they lose. It’s Lucy and the football, every election. Didn’t people go to prison after the last one? SMDH.
In 2025, id is going to become much harder to obtain.
I'm trying to get my paperwork together for my new license. It's birth certificate, two bills with my name on it.
A lot of people don't have that stuff.
Of course, the Republican controlled General Assembly will cheat to win elections.
GERRYMANDERED districts are drawn to disenfranchise millions of North Carolinians every election.
Dems in NC need to get moving. What is stopping people from getting IDs? Find out what the reasons are & address them. Provide transportation & support & make sure they are registered to vote. Start NOW, don't wait till just b4 midterms.
Odd, isn't it? These individuals have already verified who they are at time of them registering to vote and adding the additional barrier is only designed to suppress voter turnout.
Perhaps with the billions raised by the DNC, Democratic Party offshoots, and the Harris campaign itself, entities should have invested some monies into an effort making sure potential voters had IDs — in whatever jurisdictions this was identified as an issue.
We have to live with voter ID because it has broad popular support in North Carolina. The key is educating Democratic voters about what is required. Overturning voter ID may have cost Democrats their previous majority on the state Supreme Court a couple of years ago.
Remember when Republicans used to hide their cheating? Now they justify robbing voters of their right to vote without shame. This is why I would NEVER vote for ANY Republican. No honor or dignity left in any of them.
Yup. I figured some shenanigans were up so I used my passport and voted early. My actual ID didn’t come until like a couple days before the election. Glad I didn’t wait.
NC provides a free photo ID issued by a voter's county board of elections. The potential barriers are time and transportation to get there during business hours during the week.
Voters have the option to declare that they have no ID. Forgetting it, or leaving it at home is not a valid reason.
Speaking as an NC election-day worker.
They can be prosecuted if they lie about not having an ID. Which has happened. I always asked people as they came in, so they could unforget and retrieve it from their car, before they got to the check-in desk.
Watch Greg Palast’s documentary Vigilante inc. it shows there were almost one million voters removed from the polls in swing states due to republican challenges. I don’t know why no one is talking about this. It explains why it looks like Dems didn’t turn out.
Yes so many voter suppression laws especially Georgia and Pennsylvania. I volunteered for PA voter protection hotline and spoke to so many disenfranchised by insane rules
Over 60 bomb threats on election day all at BLUE polling places, Starlink rigged election, & 20M votes missing. DT said wks before election he had all the votes to win. Who told @kamalaharrisbsky.bsky.social to concede? Weak Biden not investigating. No one has our backs @joebidenbsky.bsky.social
Dems don't want to create chaos investigating election they rather just cave as usual. Biden is a coward giving a terrorist the red carpet treatment instead of investigating. Sick. @joebidenbsky.bsky.social @kamakru.bsky.social @gavinnewsom.bsky.social
People aren’t putting enough emphasis on how many votes were potentially lost through the bomb threats. How many people couldn’t get back in line because they had to go to work or pick up kids? Not far from me in a heavily blue part of my county 2 out of 3 polling places closed and never reopened.
In years past I’ve always had a limited voting window due the job I work. I either do it as soon as the place opens or I likely won’t get the opportunity. If a bomb threat were called in causing a delay or closing a polling place it would have likely caused me to note vote in years past.
Because Americans are “comfortable” and have no idea what they just asked for.
Because the last time he was in there were people who held firm for Democracy so it didn’t look so bad.
Because we don’t care about things until they personally impact us
Sadly true — especially that last bit. That’s what scares me the most because the people I care about the most are the ones who will be hurt the most the next four years and it feels like the “loyal opposition” (people who hold firm for democracy) have no spirit or power to fight for what is right
I voted in 2020. Not 2022. My eligibility to vote was cancelled and I was advised of this four days *after* the voting registration deadline. I was told there was nothing to be done. So sorry, lady. Maybe next time.
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I have lived at the same address for a few years but have been in 3 different congressional districts.
They keep re-drawing the lines
https://democracync.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/A-Brief-History-of-Voter-Suppression-in-NC-2.pdf
my ex-MIL has never driven a car or held a job that did not pay her 'under the table'. she has no access to official documents w/o EXTREME difficulty. she's also poor & black. how easy do you think it was for her to get a photo i.d.?
Think for fuck sake, think
This is sickening
smh
More than half if eligible voters DON'T BOTHER.
Voter fraud is rare and has mostly been Trumpers!
You don't spend a ton of taxpayer money on a made up "problem".
the point is that voter fraud is not a thing, it's unconstitutional, complete & utter b.s.
For the billionth time:
voter fraud is not a widespread issue, it's a boogeyman where you get to insert your own bias.
BTW
Somebody PLEASE get Jeff Jackson here!!!
they win
keep up the fight
https://democracync.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/A-Brief-History-of-Voter-Suppression-in-NC-2.pdf
What I still have trouble with is that the very small number of affected voters (0.03%) seems to indicate this is not a massive issue.
hint: gerrymandering & disenfranchisement.
-RBG
Strange its not mandatory for everyone to not have driver’s license as a form of ID for pretty much everytihgn
inform yourself before you accuse & blame.
@northcarolinagop.bsky.social will do anything to grab power . Corruption is their middle name.
Think for fuck sake, think
Majority of independents likely voted republican so reality is likely closer to 50/50
Hardly voter suppression
Some of our most rural counties (esp in the NE of the state) are majority-black. I wonder how many actually knew this was an option.
Think for fuck sake, think
my ex-MIL has never driven a car or held a job that did not pay her 'under the table'. she has no access to official documents w/o extreme difficulty. she's also poor & black. how easy do you think it was for her to get a photo i.d.?
In May 2008 12 Nuns were denied the right to vote by a fellow Nun who was a "Precinct Inspector"
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna24490932
There will be no elections in 4 years.
I'm trying to get my paperwork together for my new license. It's birth certificate, two bills with my name on it.
A lot of people don't have that stuff.
GERRYMANDERED districts are drawn to disenfranchise millions of North Carolinians every election.
And we let them get away with it!"
FREE and accessible !
Perhaps a mobile force … that drives to residents at risk .. and help them.
Perhaps income based fees ?
Some folks don’t have that extra.
Love,
a single mom.
How do you get a photo ID
Speaking as an NC election-day worker.
She needed those votes but people didn't go
Good people are not as they trust others
It is sad
Because the last time he was in there were people who held firm for Democracy so it didn’t look so bad.
Because we don’t care about things until they personally impact us