a philosophy which consists of permission to make a fortune doing immoral work while spending a small fraction on the moral equivalent of carbon offsets is not the kind of thing which cultivates virtue, and mostly just leads to very rich people being in the market for better excuses - ThreadSky

theophite.bsky.social • 4 days ago

a philosophy which consists of permission to make a fortune doing immoral work while spending a small fraction on the moral equivalent of carbon offsets is not the kind of thing which cultivates virtue, and mostly just leads to very rich people being in the market for better excuses

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kcirtsew.bsky.social•3 days ago

Secular indulgences

cursed.monster•4 days ago

Can’t believe people still fall for the EA schtick, and so hard, too

theophite.bsky.social•4 days ago

"let's spend money on things which actually reduce suffering rather than orchestras" is not even a philosophy. "it is praiseworthy to make $1b doing crypto rugpulls to fund a nonprofit which tries to figure out how to make one quadrillion simulated people experience eternal orgasm" is pure evil.

radherring.bsky.social•4 days ago

Also prove to me that orchestras don’t reduce suffering.

palecur.bsky.social•4 days ago

it's like we decided to do a longitudinal study on the failure modes of utilitarianism

bdowney.bsky.social•4 days ago

Keep thinking these will be the villains in Charlie Stross' next space opera.

conaljarvis.bsky.social•4 days ago

Actually, he’s confirmed on here they will be: something about a TESCREAL cult millions of years in the future

palecur.bsky.social•4 days ago

EAL is bananapants but transhumanism owns tbh, it's just bodily autonomy writ large, which is itself just consent and self-ownership writ large

basically TESCREAL is a ROYGBIV spectrum of usefulness starting with T (obviously fine) and ending in L (lol wtf)

theophite.bsky.social•4 days ago

also, including cosmism??? which is fucking crazy???

palecur.bsky.social•4 days ago

of all of those cosmism is the most fuckin crowbarred in

if i didn't already eyeball Gebru as super sus her origination of TESCREAL as a single 'thing' would certainly get me started

bdowney.bsky.social•4 days ago

I think the TESCREAL connections are sometimes tenuous, but the cosmism is I think because of the project to resimulate the dead -- which really is a computer version of what Fyodorov wanted (and he does get cited by the longtermists).

bdowney.bsky.social•4 days ago

To be fair it works if you read the Quantum Thief and have vague worries Big Yud is going to be a Sobornost founder.

conaljarvis.bsky.social•4 days ago

Oh this wasn’t a comment on TESCREAL as a concept: just that he mentioned a cult centred on it

palecur.bsky.social•4 days ago

fair, i just get crabby at melting that many disparate concepts together

bdowney.bsky.social•4 days ago

the Remastered are super scary and almost nightmare inducing, so LFG.

aprillia.bsky.social•4 days ago

Compassionate conservatism, 1000 points of light, effective altruism are all just buzzwords used by people who are either currently shitty or will become so.
Fundamentally these people don't believe in non-enumerated rights like housing or healthcare

twitteraddict.bsky.social•4 days ago

I think there's an argument that it would be ethical to do Crypto rugpulls if all of the money was going to actual charity, considering the kinds of idiots who tend to fall for Crypto rugpulls

readingcabbage.bsky.social•4 days ago

80000 hours page on earning to give is still up! "Yea, SBF was wrong about the particulars of his case but his logic was fine!"

https://80000hours.org/articles/earning-to-give/

opsimath.bsky.social•4 days ago

Most EAs don't practice earning to give, direct impact work is much more highly valued.

EAs who do practice earning to give are not Uber rich. Some of them are people who earn regular salaries but manage to donate 10%.

Carbon offsets are bullshit, no one donates to that.

clutch3-16.bsky.social•4 days ago

How does Blue Sky have EA stans?

opsimath.bsky.social•4 days ago

Why wouldn't it?

spooknine.bsky.social•4 days ago

The most effective altruism is not being obscenely wealthy. If you find yourself thus afflicted, give it all away as fast as you can.

tektology-enjoyer.bsky.social•4 days ago

"Earn To Give" GOAT still Alexander Parvus, folks can call me when their currency speculation leads to 11 time zones getting modern medicine & literacy!

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