That’s a stupid reason to not like someone. Everyone liked him before they knew what race he was. And regardless, he did a good thing, it seems counterproductive to hate him because you’d prefer if he were born a different race. Also, I’ve seen quite a bit of racism due to him being Italian.
Here’s the thing. I work in healthcare. It’s entirely plausible that when I forget to take off my badge and go grab lunch, someone may kill me as a symbolic move against the industry or bc they lost a loved one at one of our hospitals or bc they’re mad about Covid vaccines…and be declared a hero.
You don't have to believe in it, it's a material reality that will only become more present as the pressure ticks up and up in our society. It's like riots, whether you think they're good or not they're a natural reaction to things being shit and they achieve aims otherwise ignored.
How many kids are growing up without their father because UHC saw their treatment as "excessive care"? You belive only that those hundreds of thousands of deaths were justified, not his? I disagree.
Sorry, but by 'I work in healthcare' do you mean 'I am saving people' (as a nurse, doctor etc.) or 'I am killing people for profit' (like a certain CEO has)?
Pretty big difference. If it's the former then keep up the good job, I don't think you have anything to worry (except usual anti-vacc crowd).
I completely hear you and agree that the system is a complete and total disaster. My point is that martyrdom for a murderer normalizes killing for a cause. And while you see the difference between what I do and what a CEO does, not everyone who sees a badge and has a firearm does.
I'm not missing the fact - I'm pointing at the fact that celebrating his murder sows the seed of vigilantism. If you spend any time on social media, you know there's plenty of people who would be just as happy if Luigi had planted a bomb and taken out a few clerical and office workers.
Are you responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people? If not, you won't go on and purge lists. But, how many kids are growing up without their father or mother because UHC saw their treatment as "excessive care"?
My point, which seems to have avoided you (that's on me I guess) is that a significant number of people on here celebrating the murder of an insurance CEO won't know - or care - what the insurance involves.
The "insurance=evil" meme is gaining momentum - and the seed of vigilantism has been sowed.
1. You got the wrong guy. I didn’t kill anyone.
2. Self defense or the defense of others.
3. I killed the person but it was not my intention to kill- it is an accident (negligent homicide / manslaughter)
*4. He needed killing (jury nullification
*Jury nullification is not a legal defense and the court will not permit the defense to make any arguments to the jury suggesting that the jury should not follow the law.
There is another defense and I’m ashamed to have left it out of my first post. My parents’ livelihood was determining the competency of a defendant to stand trial.
Not guilty due to mental disease or defect.
It’s a very difficult defense to make and most attempts fail.
When you choose to shoot someone in cold blood, no matter the reason, it's murder. Either you respect and believe in the rule of law, or you don't. If you don't like what's going on in any given situation, you look to change it. You don't murder people.
Discharging a 9mm handgun three times, on a Wednesday morning, near the entrance to the Hilton Hotel, in midtown Manhattan shows reckless disregard for the safety of others. Luigi did not think about the lives of the bystanders.
There's no question that denying people the health care they need, and being rewarded for it through bonuses is one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard, but IF this individual committed this crime, he should face trial. Taking the law into your own hands is not the solution.
I agree with you there. We can't assume he's guilty, but if there is sufficient evidence to charge him, he needs to stand trial. Vigilante justice is not the answer. Two different points to this discussion.
No one is considered a murderer under our system until they are convicted. Vigilante justice is not the best way to reform the system. It is definitely not the only way. It is a last resort option.
It's not a question of whether or not what he and others like him did was wrong. However, the remedy is for there to be a system to deal with that kind of barbaric practice; regulations to keep CEO's in check, laws and judges to enforce those laws with sentences to deter similar offenses.
And there are no systems. Brian Thompson was so arrogant his first call after getting busted by the SEC wasn’t to his lawyer… It was to his broker so he could perform a insider trading.
I am so tired of this. You don't ACTUALLY value human life because you're not saying a word about the millions who need reform to stay healthy and live. The Senate said he was targeting stroke victims. He defrauded a retirement fund for veterans. Get over it.
I deal with thousands and thousands of people and it's all people saying what you're saying and getting vicious. Nobody wants to talk about reform. It's going to stall things. We're not organizing we're bickering endlessly. And the Senate said that man was targeting stroke victims ffs. Stop.
Osama bin Laden was a non-state actor who conspired to commit mass murder in an act of aggression against the United States. It was an asymmetric act of war.
Our nation’s security required that he be killed before he could act again.
If I could predict America’s future, it would be a long the lines of some crazy shoot out that leaves the country broken and 70% of the population dead.
Some people think we have waited to long to see them take action. And they are tired of waiting while suffering in debilitating pain. I'm on their side.
I deal with thousands and thousands of people every day on different social media platforms and everyone just argues about Luigi. It's going to stop reform. The Senate said that guy was targeting stroke victims. He defrauded a veteran retirement fund. So don't focus too much on what Luigi did.
He wanted to kill Black folks, too. And he hated women. Might want to take a look at his old Tweets before you defend someone who wanted slavery reinstated.
The topic is you supporting him and me telling you that the person you're supporting is a racist. My standards are higher than that. If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything. I stand against racist. You can have him, boo-boo. He wants you dead, too.
I'm not saying I approve of killing people who get rich by causing pain and suffering to those less fortunate than themselves, but we could certainly do with more Luigis in this world. Oh, wait, I am saying I approve of it.
Most laws are made by rich people to protect rich people, and society is already broken because of that. Your worth as a human being is determined by the size of your bank account.
I am so tired of this. I get bombarded by thousands of you a day. You're not morally superior. You're just repeating talking points from the media. If you actually value human life, you'll immediately stop crying over that monster and focus on the people who need reform to stay healthy and alive.
I try my best not to cause pain and suffering to any other living beings, so I don't think it would be okay to kill me. My death will not lead to making the world a better place.
Every time I see this kid’s name, I hear that Feels so Good song from my mom‘s Jazzercise class in the late 70s🤷🏻♀️.. I wonder if there’s any relation? That song was everywhere BTW.🎺
It is sad that a #society has to be so #deranged that killing a #CEO seems necessary to draw #attention to the #greed and #inhumanity of #corporations.
Given the way the current legal system seems to work, this will not be the last CEO. I do not see any legal action against the company.
I hear from people like you at least 3000 times a day. If you value human life you'll get off it and focus on the people that need reform to stay healthy and alive.
Screw that CEO. There's a powder keg set to go off when these billionaire's start cutting things.. people go feral when there desperate. They'll spring some big distraction on us like a new plague or something
The 2nd amendment has been fully activated. I’d much rather see oligarchs being gunned down rather than school children. As a society let’s just choose the oligarchs over children and see how long that fuckin 2nd amendment lasts. A social experiment.
The brainwashed and the 1% are the only outraged ones.
Remember Trump's gun owner data base? You don't think the rich will want to ensure their safety?
Tick tock
Grow up! There will be zero fucks given when the egg donor dies. Not all women should have children. Still in shock & awe? I'll tell you and you can tell me how I could handle it better.
Watch Robin Hood. Get the cultural relevance.
With all due respect,you sound like a child. I do not have the patience to explain what you could easily learn, if you watched Robin Hood. It is a classic & education is good, right? The Men In Tights one is a spoof. Most cultures have a character or folk hero similar to Robin Hood.
I don’t like him, but I understand why he did what he did. One reason the GOP enables Trump is that they think they can ride the wave of a mob that is baying for blood, and steer it away from the cause of its anger - neofeudalism.
Or, some of us detest CEO's and see the wrong that they do but also think Luigi is in the wrong for murdering the CEO. Two wrongs do not make a right. We don't get to kill people because we don't agree with their policies. What's next, we get to kill because we don't agree with their opinions?
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Pretty big difference. If it's the former then keep up the good job, I don't think you have anything to worry (except usual anti-vacc crowd).
Well said Queen!
Seriously, people tend to somehow miss this part.
All hail Grand Master Filip.
I’d rather just abide by the law if it’s all the same to you. Controversial, I know.
We even have systems in place in which we can change the system (I know! Like magic, right?)
What you’re (deliberately) ignoring is - as soon as advocate murder, society becomes anarchy.
No serious human advocates murder in civil society.
(It's actually insurance for people's motorhomes and RVs, and we pay out on 99.1%.)
There are people out there who would stop at "I work in insurance" and classify me as 'just as evil' as the murdered CEO.
Do you really want to live in a country with that mindset?
Hypothetical vigilante killing Epstein doesn't mean that a person who made a questionable comment to co-worker, 15 years ago needs to be afraid.
The "insurance=evil" meme is gaining momentum - and the seed of vigilantism has been sowed.
the TOP 1%…
of earners.
luigi is a beloved man now
Bro started a necessary conversation about this broken system.
Are they good with Ketchup?
1. You got the wrong guy. I didn’t kill anyone.
2. Self defense or the defense of others.
3. I killed the person but it was not my intention to kill- it is an accident (negligent homicide / manslaughter)
*4. He needed killing (jury nullification
Not guilty due to mental disease or defect.
It’s a very difficult defense to make and most attempts fail.
Dropping one bad guy to save hundreds is important, as the rule of law only protects those that wrote the rules.
When the Rule of Law equally saves insurance claimants as it does the CEOs, hmu.
But if the evil people wish to go visit Door #2, then that’s on them,
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Discharging a 9mm handgun three times, on a Wednesday morning, near the entrance to the Hilton Hotel, in midtown Manhattan shows reckless disregard for the safety of others. Luigi did not think about the lives of the bystanders.
You want EPIC?
He could have waited for the police and
If the government fails in this, then the People will remedy such a cancer.
That’s the rule of Human Nature, which supersedes the rule of law.
"He's a murderer." No, he's not.
The presumption of innocence is the golden thread that runs through the British Common Law and the laws of the United States.
It’s the duty of the state to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
If the state can’t
We can end this madness in a matter of days if we choose to.
If the majority of Americans took part in a general strike- shutting down all but essential life saving services
It seems to me that people are not interested in actually achieving universal healthcare.
They would rather debate the pros and cons of vigilante homicide.
Osama bin Laden was a non-state actor who conspired to commit mass murder in an act of aggression against the United States. It was an asymmetric act of war.
Our nation’s security required that he be killed before he could act again.
If I could predict America’s future, it would be a long the lines of some crazy shoot out that leaves the country broken and 70% of the population dead.
#FreeLuigi
Nah... I think that they have it twisted a bit.
I like receiving a blowjob.
I love me some Luigi action!!! Wooo... Luigi 2028.
Let that sink in
Go live in Haiti if you’re such an advocate of anarchy.
#FreeLuigi
"So there was this one CEO who lowered his own pay to a resonable amount so that he could pay his employees an affordable wage"
You have me convinced!
#FreeLuigi
The kind of people who hate the cops until they….need the cops.
Even though we have centuries-old laws that prevent it, without which, society would break down.
It’s an idiotic thing to argue.
Does it justify murder though?
You’re ignoring my original point:
Who is the arbiter of who deserves to die and who deserves to live?
It’s such a crazy stance.
If you need someone to explain that to you then debate is pointless.
We don’t have one.
That’s what laws are for.
Given the way the current legal system seems to work, this will not be the last CEO. I do not see any legal action against the company.
Except when it does.
Rather than a member of the ‘make it up as you go along’ brigade.
And I am not going to lose any sleep worrying about CEOs taking to the streets overturning cars and setting stores on fire in response.
Thats the case.
Wars happen.
Your logic will go over the heads of many who prefer spicy takes.
Remember Trump's gun owner data base? You don't think the rich will want to ensure their safety?
Tick tock
The moment you start justifying breaking the law is the moment anarchy descends.
It’s not how civil society works.
‘Brainwashed’ is such a lazy take.
Watch Robin Hood. Get the cultural relevance.
We have systems in place to change those laws.
And systems in place to change those systems.
Thinking you can pick and choose which laws apply is childlike.
…I think we’ll leave it there.
Have a good day.
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But of course the more evil one is dead.
#FreeLuigi