He loses and loses and loses and then skates away and does whatever the eff he wants to anyway. Our system has failed us. Correction: the people in place who should have held him accountable before and are letting him trample our democracy now are who failed us.
They can hold someone in contempt of court and send marshals to arrest. Now of course this wonʻt work for Trump but his Chief of Staff allegedly "supervises" Musk (he reports to her) so I suppose they could toss her in the slammer because it would be her job to tell Musk to comply.
I believe in that case Trump just pardons anybody arrested immediately? I'd imagine that state charges are the best and only options here? I'm certainly no legal scholar.
Also the attorneys in front of the judge must tell their clients to obey the law. So the DOJ lawyers canʻt play "cute" and tell Musk to ignore court orders. Or, if they do, they can lose their law licenses. Many Trump attorneys were disbarred or sanctioned the last time around.
And who is going to ENFORCE the decisions? His people? The US is in a lawless state when it comes to him! No proof yet that he will adhere to the law, so far doesn’t look promising! More like a coup going on until proven otherwise!
This. I can't believe there's still anyone here that thinks he won't just ignore the courts. There's quite literally no way out of this that doesn't involve bullets. The sooner people wake the fuck up to that fact, the better.
The immunity was only for criminal prosecution. That's separate from whether his unconstitutional contrary-to-statute actions are valid. So far, all the challenges have said: No, they aren't valid. I don't think DOJ has even argued that the immunity ruling means he's also omnipotent.
At the rate things are going, I think my general concern is whether these challenges ultimately do anything good. He doesn’t seem to have concern for laws, and his increasing control weakens any clout behind challenges.
Likely, not a goddamn thing at the Federal level
This "presidential immunity" bullshit combined with unlimited pardon power pretty much makes them invincible while they're still alive. 1/2
The only one with immunity is Trump all the rest can go to jail including Musk. Elon pisses Trump off and that could happen. How do we get Trump to turn on Musk?
At the state level, 🍊🐖 can claim "presidential immunity" at any trial. But Musk and his teenage mutant ninja turtles? That's a different story, except who will lock up the world's richest human? 2/2
I’m hoping to hell it keeps up and it gets even worse for him. I want him to lose every damn thing he goes in court for! Along with President Hitler musk! I want him in prison in EU!
Who will enforce judges' orders if FFOTUS doesn't comply? FBI, police? who's left to follow orders? Who can enforce the resumption of federal funds going to Headstarts and community health clinics?
Yes, kinda sorta. It isn't over yet, so "lost" is premature? Trump will have lost when the inevitable final appeal has been heard and the last judge or judges have spoken. I haven't been reading your substacks for nothing.
They are likely already working on manipulating voting and infiltrating the free and fair election process for the 2018 primaries. What can we do now to try to safeguard? Anything? I'm talking about the actual systems, not door knocking.
Probably because the judges are are smart enough to know they're next to be replaced. They know anything Trump disagrees with he will find a way to dismantle including the justice system which he is doing
This is the million dollar question - he doesn’t care! He probably wants US Marshals hauling his ass out! Hell then get the civil unrest he longs for - this is crazy
But that's what he does. He does whatever he wants and seems to welcome ensuing lawsuits. Sure he'll lose most of them, but he only cares about the ones he wins.
Except with papers and media that’s he’s been suing and instead of fighting they are giving in to him for their own long run financial gain.There won’t be anywhere for a truth teller to go soon.
Yes, seems, BUT he is ignoring all the injunctions! And no one is enforcing it!
It’s part of Project 2025 and “The New Reality” plan!
This explains everything—
Unfortunately due to SCOTUS telling a pissed off narcissist that he is above the law we have no means to stop him from within the Capital. Thus it is up to the lawyers and Judges to stop his destruction. They are our front line in this fight. But we need to be in the fight was well. Resist, Protest!
Sad that everyone around him accepts the normalcy of his lifetime of litigation - - he's almost always lost - - and allowed it to continue in our government, using the DOJ as his Roy Cohn.
At this rate, if the rule of law prevails - - it's all we've got - - he's heading for his third impeachment. ⚖️
Realistically? Nobody. He can pass out pardons for those held in contempt for violating a court order and congress will not impeach him. I expect Trump to rile up his zealots and send them after the judges.
i’m watching the supreme court, need to know if they will stand for the american people and the constitution or if they all lied to us and stand for billionaires and pretend
“christian’s”
I doubt most of these cases get there, and not for a long time. It's the lower courts that matter right now, and they're showing up solidly on the side of the Constitution and laws. Keep that momentum going, and be glad for it.
Serious question. If Musk and Co’s acts are illegal, can the DC AG issue a warrant: maybe trespassing and data theft? Is there anyway to get a warrant even in a grey area?
Chink, chink, chink..... I'm hopeful the courts will do as they did when denying Trump legal traction for The Big Lie: close ranks behind the law. If SCOTUS has the temerity to reverse everything at that point, I'd think it'll be up to the legal community to get find a way to stop them.
While everything drags through the courts, musk and trump are taking the country apart at an alarming speed (laws or no laws) & nothing has even reached SCOTUS yet.
Anything that throws a wrench in their gears is a win, and wins don't need to be large. They just need to keep happening, even if in a thousand small ways.
Honestly he’ll just run out the clocks in court just like he did in the last four years. The courts act TOO slowly. Our elected leaders in congress should be leading the charge. The R’s never let being in the e minority get in the way of grinding Democratic administrations to a halt.
The courts were created with 18th-century perceptions of time. Trump has taken full advantage of this in his lifetime and has never paid the price for any of his crimes.
Yes, but the courts have no power of enforcement. What are the chances Trump (and Musk et al) will simply ignore rulings that don’t go their way? And if they do, can we rely on Congress to step in? My fear is that’s where we’re headed
IMO Americans need to know what Dems are doing (via the courts) to stop Trump and Musk. How about DAILY PROGRESS REPORTS, same time every day on television (and not just cable) delivered by a singular voice—Hakeem Jeffries? It worked for Andrew Cuomo during the pandemic.
*ACTION* If youre havent already obtained the “5 Calls” app, today is a good day to do so. They locate your reps, have a list of topics & scripts you can use for the calls:
It is, but everyone should be prepared for him to ignore the courts as well as Congress and to claim sole authority, and plan for this scenario accordingly, because that is a real possibility.
I assume these will take a while. What I want to know more about is what is he doing to get the military under his control. I think that’s the most important issue. If he gets that, the rest probably doesn’t matter. Then the next step is revolution. I’m a vet and hold my oath to the end.
I hope the mango motherfucker's diaphragm fails soon, on live TV.
Like millions of others, I would gladly watch him gasp to take his last breath even if it meant I was late to bed.
Is there any external evidence that Musk and Trump are abiding by Court rulings?
Some things are readily verified, but what about things that aren’t visible? If a judge has ruled “no access to data,” how do we know that’s being followed?
There’s only one short term, stopgap solution. Democrats bind together 100%, with no leaks to say as long as Musk is involved and DOGE “exists” there will be zero votes for a CR and zero votes for debt ceiling. Whatever happens after that, they own.
He can defy court orders and put up a phony claim that he's acting in his official capacity as president. Every lawyer and prosecutor predicted the Supreme Court wouldn't hear that case or rule against it. It's all very disappointing when as a private citizen I'm held to a higher standard.
I don't believe he nor his regime will abide by any legal directives. A criminally insane man holds the nuclear codes and is immune to judicial consequence thanks the corrupt SCOTUS. It's going to take something else to stop these fascists.
🤣 really…the same courts that somehow couldn’t bring justice to a seditious traitor and his cohorts 🤦🏻♀️ 🤔or are you speaking of the Supreme Court whose conservative members are in the pocket of Leo and Crow🤦🏻♀️we are fucked if the court is our last hope!
So far the courts are what’s holding everything together still. Thank these judges for actually following the law and knowing it. they upheld the law and didn’t go along with these illegal acts.
Why does everything have to be a battle? Can’t we have just one normal day?
Tomorrow is Friday. What vile thing will Trump do when he thinks we aren’t looking?
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Let’s not say “Trump gets away with everything.” It’s a flat out lie.
We must not give him credit for simply being noisy, ridiculous, and outrageous.
If elon fucks up so badly that it affects Trump's political clout...he won't issue any pardons until he's sure nothing they did will haunt him.
This will get much, much worse.
This "presidential immunity" bullshit combined with unlimited pardon power pretty much makes them invincible while they're still alive. 1/2
It’s part of Project 2025 and “The New Reality” plan!
This explains everything—
https://www.thenerdreich.com/reboot-elon-musk-ceo-dictator-doge/
At this rate, if the rule of law prevails - - it's all we've got - - he's heading for his third impeachment. ⚖️
“christian’s”
Nobody is going to do a damn thing to him.
Today was a good day. 😌
https://5calls.org/
Our justice system is slow and ineffective at best.
Like millions of others, I would gladly watch him gasp to take his last breath even if it meant I was late to bed.
Buy a rifle.
They’ll burn it all down before they comply.
*crickets*
I'm beginning to suspect they have an answer....they just don't want to admit it out loud to us or themselves.
Some things are readily verified, but what about things that aren’t visible? If a judge has ruled “no access to data,” how do we know that’s being followed?
However, since SCOTUS told him he is 100% above the law, he doesn't give a rat's behind about losing.
They'll do their bidding.
Any takers? Anyone?
Not sure it matters much.
I fear the only way this ends is with Russian-style tactics.
Tomorrow is Friday. What vile thing will Trump do when he thinks we aren’t looking?