Absolutely correct. Farmers who are subsidised because fertilisers are expensive deserve that support. It’s not socialism it’s intelligent management. People who can’t afford to feed their children need support programs. It’s not socialism it’s intelligent management.
I read a number of books on the Nordic Model, I went to some Nordic countries, I talked to people. Bottom line, they said, yeah we pay a lot in taxes, but we see Americans go bankrupt from healthcare and student debt, and then we are OK.
It's actually weird that I have followers on there I only did it to troll Trump but now I post things so all of them see on the public board how stupid they are
I did an experiment on there for a few months to see how much anarchist shit I could post and get the MAGAts to agree with. Surprisingly, it was a good 50/50
You are going to short fuse the brains of people that voted for trump with this explanation. Their brains will short out and reset to “MAGAtard” setting
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The very structure of your Society allows those ten men to hinder and trammel your access to the resources of your Society which you have helped to create or harvest for the benefit of all the members of Society.
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Privileges is what allows them to do it. Remove the privileges will restore your unhindered, untrammeled access to your Society's resources to adequately satisfy needs and wants.
Adequately just meaning without being to little for your requirement or being more than you actually require
True, but so what? Socialism isn't on the agenda, sorry. The SPGB are out there for Brits as the oldest and best-established socialist party, but a pound to a penny most self-proclaimed 'socialists' in the UK don't even know of their existence. I don't recall seeing them on a ballot paper, and...
The belief that a bankroller’s profits should far exceed those of the workers producing the goods and services places more value on money than hard work. The concept, of course, was set forth by the ones with the money.
Not really. In feudalism, there was an even exchange of goods. In capitalism, the lower and middle classes are exploited and or tricked into giving up value.
This is one aspect that the Democratic Party is horrible about. Messaging.
It’s not free healthcare. Everyone pays a little for everyone to get a lot.
Black Lives Matter is a worthy cause but horrible slogan.
There are millions of people that agree with our ideas and don’t know it.
5 dozen eggs were $50.00 tonight at the store. The 3 women standing there looking at them including me, said NOPE, and walked away. Same in the meat aisle. Let it rot. Thought it was hypocritical that my brand of vodka hasn’t changed in price.
Love thy neighbor, that’s what the lord said. When it comes time to answer, I’d want to say I did the best with what I was given, they, many of them will have no answer.
Some random guys wrote that centuries ago. How about we focus on what’s happening right now, to real people. The lest Christian people I’ve ever met are Christians. I know this first hand, I grew up Baptist.
Seriously, I hate that the whole "from each according to ability" thing is the slogan of one specific ideology with a pretty poisoned well, when it's basically just a normal, decent way to view the world and run stuff.
Small “l” libertarian… the leave me alone and I’ll leave you alone type… not the big “L” let everyone else go fuck themselves while I prepare for the ends of days type.
No one responsible, after all, calls for socialism, communism, leftism, rightism, or any other nonsense. These are just labels from deliberately demented Fox News-level propaganda. In reality, the relevant concepts are: empathy, responsibility, consideration, ...
This sounds more like communism. I always thought of socialism as having taxation on fruits of labor used for the people to strengthen society as a whole. The antithesis of Trickle Down. We now have a democracy by the people but for the rich, with minimum exception. We need ‘by and for the ppl’
All critics of socialism I've ever heard from people committed to capitalism were actual capitalist measures socialist countries had to do to deal with a capitalist world, which they never had a choice to deal with.
Capitalists critics of socialism are usually critics of state-capitalism practices.
I agree. It's just that most people hear the word "socialism" and they do not understand.
Some people think that when the federal government taxes people to pay for healthcare, it's complete evil socialism. It's not really. But it is a "socialistic" policy.
As a kid I really wondered what the hell Reagan was on about with the evil of it. Still amazes me that in the USA people pass down the myths in fear of a better life.
We pay the same taxes as Bubba.. but our money is spent on us. What's the problem? It's our money...
Capitalist not do the work - capitalists money does the work. Money comes from profits (except inherited).
Where do profits come from.
1. Paying worker less than actual worth of labor.
2. Paying supplier less that actual value of materials.
3. Charging customer more than actual value of product.
I have an economics degree. Despite what some people probably think, no, a college education in economics does NOT try to teach us that socialists want free stuff. It’s just right-wingers who say that.
But then you get all the "REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH!" whiners from the box seats. But then you argue, "No, it's about equitable compensation for services rendered and fair taxes to support a social structure that lifts everyone out of poverty," and you get the "DEI! DEI! WOKE DEI!" responses.
Part of it is the bully mentality, absolutely. But there is also this pervasive (and wrong) notion among the wealthy that everything is transactional and zero-sum, that for one person to win, another must proportionally lose. Trump very much falls squarely into this category as well.
Socialists, w whom I visited Mondragon Cooperative Corp. in Spain, wants everyone, janitor to top person, paid the same. Mondragon votes on pay with a gap of about 1:7 in the tiers. No, socialism doesn't want equity. It demands absolute uniformity - until it's them. USSR had huge pay differentials.
Communism is a fantasy that never existed save in micro communities. But Socialism is ultimately another form of corporatism, and it has all the hierarchy and elitism of private ones but the fusion of economy and polity. Social democracy seems to work the best. Why Americans hate it is a mystery.
Successful western democracies seem to be fundamentally capitalist economies, but with socialist features. A fusion of Capitalism & Socialism as it were. Universal healthcare, government pensions & unemployment insurance are all socialist features. 😉 new brain cells for me about corporatism!🙏
Thx both of you for educating me! 🙏😁 All I know is that whatever the best label for it is, the U.S. would do far better to shift more toward how the Scandinavian countries are led! In virtually every metric, they beat the shit out of America! 😉
Yes, it's democracy with social programs. Those are the most effective governments. Frankly, it wldn't matter imo whether it was capitalism or not, if it's well regulated and those social programs are in place. The Netherlands, for example.
Social democracy is exactly the way to go. Americans hate it because corporatists have been hammering the evils of socialism for well over a hundred years into every child in the country via every avenue available to them.
Safety nets like SNAP/Medicaid/Unemployment Benefits, etc. for workers... nawww... that's socialism.
Safety nets for banks/corporations/uber wealthy paid for by the same workers... oh, hell yeah!!!
True definition of the socialist ideal, unfortunately there are way too many 'socialists' who don't understand this & are quite happy to line their own pockets in a way any capitalist would be proud of.
Yep - my head hurts trying to explain this. I’ve resorted to asking them who owns the roads. Socialism is we all do & our money pays for their upkeep &we get to own our own cars. Communism the government would own the road & the vehicles, they decide who drives on them. Neoliberalism - we pay tolls
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i want your job to be kinda optional
the idea that you have to work 40+hrs a week to afford food, shelter and water is silly
these things should be given to you
the entire point of forming cities was so we can pool our resources
The very structure of your Society allows those ten men to hinder and trammel your access to the resources of your Society which you have helped to create or harvest for the benefit of all the members of Society.
Privileges is what allows them to do it. Remove the privileges will restore your unhindered, untrammeled access to your Society's resources to adequately satisfy needs and wants.
Adequately just meaning without being to little for your requirement or being more than you actually require
To live your life with dignity and decency.
We get into weird territory when we espouse socialism. It's not on offer, people wouldn't vote for it if it was on offer.
What most self-professed 'socialists' actually espouse is social democracy.
It’s not free healthcare. Everyone pays a little for everyone to get a lot.
Black Lives Matter is a worthy cause but horrible slogan.
There are millions of people that agree with our ideas and don’t know it.
And I understand that for me to get free stuff, someone has to make stuff for free.
So it seems the decent thing to do that I should make free stuff too, so others can have free stuff like me.
privatise the profits and socialise the losses
Capitalists critics of socialism are usually critics of state-capitalism practices.
Most people want capitalism that is regulated to prevent a few people from hoarding all the wealth.
See F for Canada & most EuroSocial countries)
Canada prefers Federal taxation (quite similar to USA in numbers) to be used for healthcare, numerous income nets, public roads-schools-daycare etc.
Some people think that when the federal government taxes people to pay for healthcare, it's complete evil socialism. It's not really. But it is a "socialistic" policy.
As a kid I really wondered what the hell Reagan was on about with the evil of it. Still amazes me that in the USA people pass down the myths in fear of a better life.
We pay the same taxes as Bubba.. but our money is spent on us. What's the problem? It's our money...
In general, blue states pay more in taxes to the federal government than they get back in services. Red states are the ones who are the "takers".
In Canada poor people pay less because they earn less. We don't begrudge because that's the exact idea.
What would be insane though is our lower earners then bitching about taxes. They don't here, but do there. Kentucky is a bizzaro upside down world.
Where do profits come from.
1. Paying worker less than actual worth of labor.
2. Paying supplier less that actual value of materials.
3. Charging customer more than actual value of product.
It's time to stop the bullshit about -isms.
What we want is *civilization*, not empires.
Anyone who's honest sees capitalism is reaching its final expected stage - greed over people.
Other nations prove every day cooperation is better than destructive rigged competition.
This is why social security and unions exist....because billionaires are greedy fucks.
The real socialists.
Safety nets for banks/corporations/uber wealthy paid for by the same workers... oh, hell yeah!!!
Funny old world... ain't it.
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Leaning then ever