You keep thinking the Tories will notice that every time they pile in on a Reform issue it helps Farage. But yet they keep doing it. Rats learn faster. - ThreadSky

samfr.bsky.social • 45 days ago

You keep thinking the Tories will notice that every time they pile in on a Reform issue it helps Farage. But yet they keep doing it. Rats learn faster.

Reposted from Luke Tryl

In our first @moreincommonuk.bsky.social voting intention of 2025, Labour & Tories remain at 26%. Reform is at 22% - the highest figure we’ve recorded for them

🌳CON 26% (nc)
🌹LAB 26% (nc)
➡️ REF UK 22% (+3)
🔶 LIB DEM 12% ( -1)
🌍 GREEN 7% (-1)
🟡 SNP 3% (nc)

N = 2,011 6 - 8 Jan, Change w 10 Dec

Comments

amandagillender.bsky.social•45 days ago

Rats are bloody clever animals. Never underestimate a rat.
Tories? Far too self serving to be truly effectively clever.

patandthepeke.bsky.social•44 days ago

Rats are smarter

siberianpine.bsky.social•45 days ago

How do the tories not benefit from things that leave their vote share alone and increase that of their prospective coalition partner?

gnomeicide.bsky.social•44 days ago

In fairness rats are pretty smart and a lot less stubborn than Tories.

simongwood.bsky.social•45 days ago

Tories have totally lost their way. They don't seem to know what they stand for any more.

justlee.bsky.social•45 days ago

I can't help thinking that they'll find some way to co-exist by the time of the next election. They're now chasing the same donors (and voters); I suspect that means the emergence of very similar policies in key areas over the next few years.

michaelgollop.bsky.social•44 days ago

Yes, but, as the old joke says, there are certain things rats won't do .

robertrea.bsky.social•45 days ago

Rats, of course, are quite clever

mattadas.bsky.social•45 days ago

Maybe it's by design?

ukverified.bsky.social•45 days ago

How UK voting intentions have changed six months into the new Labour government. Just think how voting intentions could have changed after another four and half years?

juneussell.bsky.social•45 days ago

Surely partly because ‘voting intention’ is entirely hypothetical atm.

rhid83.bsky.social•45 days ago

You can't out grift a grifter. You do rats a disservice here Sam.

duncanstott.bsky.social•45 days ago

It's not strategy; it's what they really think.

asimov74.bsky.social•44 days ago

Get all the rats in a sack and perhaps they’ll eat each other!

dustinducane.bsky.social•44 days ago

It helps Labour even less

mark1962b.bsky.social•45 days ago

It’s incredible, totally baffling. Reform have 5 seats, Labour and Liberals have 500…….and they’re going after Reform.

seaseaseasiders.bsky.social•45 days ago

Who is the biggest danger to the country no lib dems or labour or tory but reform in my opinion. Need to squash them.

mark1962b.bsky.social•45 days ago

Try again in English?

seaseaseasiders.bsky.social•45 days ago

When the far right are knocking on your door don't blame me 👌

adrianlenard.bsky.social•45 days ago

I mean it’s not as if Labour aren’t leaving a 50m long goal for them to aim at right now. And yet like flies battering themselves against an open window, they keep following the Reform agenda.

cosmoiselle.bsky.social•45 days ago

If we'd been governed by rats for the past 14 years, I'm sure our collective mental state would be much more secure.

carolebristol.bsky.social•45 days ago

The Tories are too busy gazing at their own navels to notice what's happening elsewhere.

bust3d00.bsky.social•45 days ago

How the fuck do Tories get 26 ..

pickle1805.bsky.social•45 days ago

“Conservative” is just a huge brand for non-obsessed voters

michael-dee.bsky.social•45 days ago

That was my takeaway too. They’ve been imploding. But polls are shit anyway.

dailycorruption.bsky.social•45 days ago

It’s absolutely insane to think just under 1 in 4 people in the UK want to vote Reform to privatise the NHS.

Knowing that most of those people will die as a result.

Turkeys voting for Christmas 🦃

petergray.bsky.social•45 days ago

Do they have any idea of the sorts of problems with healthcare that many of the demographic who support Reform have with health care in the US? Not the rich grifters, like Farage and Trice, of course!

dailycorruption.bsky.social•45 days ago

And the inevitable… I couldn’t find an insurer to cover my pre-existing conditions.

It’s a racket for profit. An almost immediate death sentence to anyone with moderate healthcare needs.

dailycorruption.bsky.social•45 days ago

I assume 90% of Reform voters aren’t from a wealthy background. And wouldn’t be able to afford:
Premiums of £200/month
Health ‘gaps’ of first £500 or £1000
Items not covered
No reimbursement based on special “didn’t read the fine print” terms.
And would be bankrupt or dead within a few years.

grahambrighton.bsky.social•44 days ago

I'll never understand why the LDs or Greens don't really focus on the costs involved in a non NHS. Suddenly the tax rises required would feel small in comparison.

gatecrasher777.bsky.social•44 days ago

Maybe they do. How would anyone know?
These parties only have tried and tested policies.
They are not controversial, sensational or newsworthy enough for 2025.

grahambrighton.bsky.social•44 days ago

Though possibly discovering a family of four might have to find hundreds of pounds a month for health insurance might be both sensational and newsworthy.

brianhprobert.bsky.social•44 days ago

More to the point do they have any idea that Reform wants to privatise the NHS?

krisholt1.bsky.social•44 days ago

You point out to them that it's something Reform politicians have explicitly called for, including links to articles, etc. showing it, and they call you a liar. It's not critical thinking central, that's for sure.

leftiewokesue.bsky.social•44 days ago

The power of Farage being constantly beamed into our homes by political programming and MSM

smithmichaelw.bsky.social•45 days ago

I feel like after an hour with a white board, various marker pens and every conceivable way of visually representing how the number of people further right is way smaller than the centre - I'd be walking away shaking my head and muttering that I'm glad they paid for the consultation upfront

endpopulistlies.bsky.social•44 days ago

They will merge with Reform

There’s a number of reasons why none of them will dare criticise Musk now

And why ghouls like Jenrick are now wearing their Swastikas on their sleeve

And the UK MSM is whitewashing them all and won’t call it out for what it is

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-musk-farage-x-earnings-twitter-b2677072.html

magicmooney.bsky.social•45 days ago

Simply the result of the absolute massive right wing media campaign of lies and gaslighting against Labour. But the progress and results Labour achieve will force a rebalance back to some truth and recognition of success.

ungoldsworthy.bsky.social•44 days ago

Spot on

benjlmorgan.bsky.social•45 days ago

I just find the name of that polling company so funny. New from 'more in common': we hate each other even more remorselessly

discofornow.bsky.social•44 days ago

That's what they're doing deliberately. They have destroyed conservatives for at least a generation, so they can move over to reform once their job is done. In the meantime, reform Ltd will obtain huge sums from far right billionaires in order to wipe out liberal democracy. #ThereCanBeOnlyOne!

t0nyyates.bsky.social•45 days ago

Truss is doing them a favour getting them back onto more traditional territory of whether they crashed the economy or not.

telson.bsky.social•44 days ago

Good old Lettuce!

lejanaysola.bsky.social•44 days ago

So people vote for the Tories for years, get shitty government, then the moment Labour comes to power they expect everything to be immediately fixed. Got it.

yuanyiz.bsky.social•45 days ago

What's the Reform issue, in this case?

samfr.bsky.social•45 days ago

Attempting to appease Musk and all his obsessions.

yuanyiz.bsky.social•45 days ago

I don't think it's good to cede "investigate the systemic failures which have characterised the state's response to the rape gangs" to Reform as "their issue".

cymry.bsky.social•44 days ago

The far-right never intend to solve problems, they use it to create division, why else have yet another enquiry? The last one lasted 7 years and cost £100 million and the Tories ignored the recommendations.

jeremyr1.bsky.social•44 days ago

Where did the "systematic failures" quote come from? Maybe from one of several inquiries into an issue which has been high on the news agenda for over 10 years. Here's a piece by someone who worked on the most extensive of those inquiries. https://theconversation.com/i-worked-on-the-independent-inquiry-into-child-sexual-abuse-heres-what-elon-musk-is-missing-246812

mcdaragh.bsky.social•45 days ago

Except they explicitly don't want to do that - they have no interest in the failure of the police to investigate due to institutional contempt for people of certain class backgrounds. They want a report saying "the problem is brown people."

samfr.bsky.social•45 days ago

If you really believe it just happens to be a coincidence that Reform and the Tories have discovered a genuine interest in this as Musk spews out a load of conspiratorial nonsense about it then I have a lovely bridge you may be interested in.

yuanyiz.bsky.social•45 days ago

He increased the salience of the issue and the parties are reacting to this. That's how the politico-news cycle works.

samfr.bsky.social•45 days ago

By lying repeatedly about it. I think that's a bad thing personally. Especially on such a sensitive and painful issue.

br-uk.bsky.social•44 days ago

Tell me, honestly.
One of their 5 MPs abused a woman. Physically, repeatedly. Christian forgiveness, they all said. Because the guy "served his time" (one week).
So much care about women and girls?
Then, their biggest fan and potential donor. Do you really think this is about girls? Or regulation?

bluepfist.bsky.social•45 days ago

The systemic failure is that none of the many recommendations, of the many reports, have been implemented.

spodulike.bsky.social•44 days ago

mazza66.bsky.social•45 days ago

It's almost like Bad-enoch (& Braverman: who has been very quiet) are doing Reform's campaigning for them: calls for Grooming gang enquiry etc. So stupid. This Tory party don't have the big brains and strategic thinking capacity. What a shame.

ockamsrazor.bsky.social•45 days ago

Or it’s intentional?

mazza66.bsky.social•44 days ago

Could be. They're plants. Farage is clever & strategic. He could get to low turnout, and in a position to form a minority govt, hold the cards. Awful to think about it. USA in an even worse place👀

ockamsrazor.bsky.social•44 days ago

Low turnout favours the extremists.

mazza66.bsky.social•42 days ago

Yes, exactly. Austria fckd. Ger getting there. Australia are fckd by climate change, but seem to be sorting some things out. What do you think of compulsory voting? 🤔

ockamsrazor.bsky.social•42 days ago

PR and compulsory voting.

emr67.bsky.social•44 days ago

What a strange little country we’ve become…

blandishments.bsky.social•45 days ago

What are the detailed policies that those supporting Reform are voting for?

liamatsu.bsky.social•45 days ago

Racism, Bigotry, Racism... more Racism. Racism, basically. Who needs detailed policies when they have pure, unalloyed racism?

blandishments.bsky.social•44 days ago

Fair summary

eigerjoch.bsky.social•45 days ago

It’s such dumb and historically unaware. Trying to compete with nutty fringe outfits never works, because they will always go further and take your voters anyway

paulwartenberg.bsky.social•44 days ago

there is something fcking wrong in the UK if the racist/fascist party is making those kind of gains.

teroterotero.bsky.social•45 days ago

Once 10 year gilt hits 5.5%, it’s all over. Farage will be stroking a fluffy white cat slowly on a burgundy leather sofa at Number 10.

norrette.bsky.social•44 days ago

Where can I find a primer on gilts and bonds? The way I see it, they are the main tool for rw capitalists to bend democracy to their will.

teroterotero.bsky.social•44 days ago

Ouch not sure! But the bond weasels sure are trying to force Trump to give up his tariff and tax cut plans right now. Today is when that battle truly starts.

norrette.bsky.social•44 days ago

Which will make a difference to UK bonds? Sorry quick note....

teroterotero.bsky.social•44 days ago

US and UK bonds have been trading in tandem - looks like UK economy is reacting to same inflationary warning signs. Likely yields will move up together

norrette.bsky.social•44 days ago

But then the USD:GBP ratio should stay more or less constant?

operabunny.bsky.social•45 days ago

https://youtu.be/ZrRozqkFuK0?si=mC-PwcwOFP6nS5JB

philipdowner.bsky.social•44 days ago

Meanwhile the LibDems (70+ seats) make no impression whatsoever, stunts aside.

timblue.bsky.social•44 days ago

No matter what they do, no one writes about them...

philipdowner.bsky.social•44 days ago

They lack any cause or purpose. When Davey was interviewed on TRIP and couldn’t answer the “what are your key policies” question before the GE, that summed it up. There are so many issues - social care, EU reintegration etc - they could make their own, but they appear clueless.

timblue.bsky.social•44 days ago

I'm pretty sure that was strategic.

They ran a hyper-local campaign with different messaging in each target seat.

The size of the Labour majority makes their success irrelevant for now, though.

The question is whether they can sneak 2nd place next election while tories & reform hurt each other.

gatecrasher777.bsky.social•44 days ago

Policies that work are much too boring for 2025.

ronreid.bsky.social•44 days ago

The total RW vote equals the total progressive vote, Christ people have short memories!

grahammoonie.bsky.social•45 days ago

By implication this is an insult to rats

claireepsom.bsky.social•44 days ago

Unlike Tories I believe rats are intelligent

elemjay.bsky.social•45 days ago

Great for #ScottishIndependence as we watch England decend to Trumplethinskin style fascist politics.
All show and zero support or governance.

cymry.bsky.social•45 days ago

You obviously don't know that progressive parties have over 500 members of parliament out of 650?

sallyinfrance.bsky.social•44 days ago

That would be primarily Keli Badenoch then. No doubt she leads the agenda. Thick.

gizmotron.bsky.social•45 days ago

To be fair to them, they have been trapped in a sack since 2016.

finite187.bsky.social•45 days ago

This is the bind the Conservatives are in - They've tied themselves to the far right, and they can't outdo Farage in kneejerk politics.

morralexand.bsky.social•45 days ago

Rats are clever, and have a strong survival instinct.

Remains to be seen if this iteration of the Tory party does too.

katkyns.bsky.social•45 days ago

Literally the convo in our town FB group tonight. The local Tory Group starting a petition against LD MP who abstained on inquiry, being absolutely schooled by Tory voters asking why they are going after the reform vote and not the actual Tory votes, especially as we were a safe seat.

andycroy.bsky.social•45 days ago

It's got strong Rwanda scheme-on-acid vibes

underleaf.bsky.social•45 days ago

In my experience as a lifelong analytical, questioning thinker, most middle class, middle aged (or later) people simply won't engage with fundamental political questions in duscussions. They know they have no answers.

macdonwald.bsky.social•44 days ago

Well, they are lower than vermin, in Nye Bevan's memorable phrase.

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