yeah I genuinely hate any imperium fanboys that look at the imperium unironically and say "those guys are the good guys". like... just because you have to choose between Hitler and Satan doesn't make Hitler a good guy!
I'm a fanboy of the little sandbox I have in the corner of the Imperium.
Fully loyal fiefdom on paper, but the people writing those papers are lying through their teeth. No mention of the Fully awakened Tomb World on the Agri-planet, nor the Craftworld hanging just outside one system.
And that's how I think it should be. You're not a fan of your faction, you're a fan of your army, and all the stupid little stories you can tell with it.
Oh yeah, kind of loyal imperials are a ton of fun.
Do we believe in the emperor's dream for humanity? Yes.
Do we also have a secret book detailing every time we've fought against other imperials for trying to murder mutants and xenos for just existing? Also yes.
I mean... My main angle of seeing onto WH40k is Ciaphas Cain (HERO OF THE IMPERIUM!!!), who is effectively "What if Yossarian had a far future child?". Given how DARK SATIRE works, that feels like how it ought to be taken - especially where it kicks canon aside for fun.
I play the guard and the lore of how they are treated is really depressing, but I like to see a normal person defending their land against hell itself win. It is a bit of goodness in a sea of evil.
I don't know if it is anymore, especially as i don't know a shitton about warhammer. Like a lot of times when satire becomes to big it just collapses unto itself and stops being satire.
How do we like……cull the “warhammer isn’t satire” crowd? Cuz something tells me that in a Venn diagram with the type who says something horrendous and then back pedals with “it’s just a joke”, the image is a circle.
We have an entire anti intellectual movement that rejects media literacy because it negates their fash reading of things so even when presented with readings that show them to be wrong they stick fingers in their ears and go LALALALALALALA
To be fair, it does feel like Warhammer has massively toned down those elements and presented them much more seriously in most of the media that the general public gets exposed to recently.
It has the same tone as something like darkest dungeon right now, delivered completely seriously.
I blame gw and the way they present and write all the new stuff tbh. It's now just a sci-fi universe that sells stuff. Even then alot of people love the empire cause they are cool dispite them nuking a planet of allies, betraying the clones, genocide, suppression and so on and on
The only media I have seen that criticizes fascists that isn't adopted by fascists was made by Charlie Chaplain.
It's important to criticize them for sure but it is hard to get them to not just adopt shit that says they are wrong because they only look at the aesthetics.
Dose it matter? and Sucker Punch is about how bad over sexualing females in films are, and how disgusting we are (all the ppl that watch are fat/ugly) while oversexualisng them.
If the movie/art/whatever critic something and shows it in the worst way, they are also part of the problem.
I honestly think they are all way worse, exceptions being rogue/Independent human planets.
Eldar, orks, old ones and necrons are personally responsible for the creation of the infinite space hitler suffering vortex that is the corrupted warp.
I just don't like the kind of stalinist communism --
Eldar aren't worse than the Imperium and Chaos predates Slaanesh. Orks aren't worse than the Imperium. Tyranids are less ethically repugnant than the Imperium. The Drukhari are literally on the Imperium's level.
So are the human and parahuman forces of Chaos.
The Tau are literally not Communists.
Benevolent fascism is much, much closer to the Tau politics than any form of communism.
The Leagues of Votann are infinitely better than the Imperium, and they are extractive colonialist assholes. XD
Hell, the Kroot in their facet as pure amoral mercenaries are much better than the Imperium.
Oh also the Tau, fascistic as they are, are ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE better than the Imperium. XD On every axis (pun intended) of measuring you want to try and bring to the table.
Also, if that's the metric the Imperium is the main cause of Chaos being as powerful as it is in 40K. So by your own metric, the Imperium is just as bad or worse.
You really don't know shit about Warhammer 40000, do you? XD
Yea I could only make it 5 minutes in before he brought up the FlashGitz animation and said "it fits perfectly in canon".
Dude has never once touched grass.
The fact that it is part of the actual text, not subtext, that the imperial church commits atrocities in the name of the Emperor who would actually be disgusted by all of their blind zealotry because they're missing the entire point of his original ideals isn't a SATIRE of megachurches....
Yeah. The whole point of the setting is that things could have been amazing and instead there's this horrifying dystopia. Like, the emperor needs souls to live, people eat corpse paste, billions die for a religious dogma the guy it's based on hates. It ain't good, folks.
Not a huge wh guy, but isn't one of the problems with WH that it's a totally horrible parody, but also somehow all the paranoid bs the empire believes actually true?
Like yeah being afraid of demons eating your soul in hyperspace is stupid, but also that actually what happens?
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Fully loyal fiefdom on paper, but the people writing those papers are lying through their teeth. No mention of the Fully awakened Tomb World on the Agri-planet, nor the Craftworld hanging just outside one system.
Do we believe in the emperor's dream for humanity? Yes.
Do we also have a secret book detailing every time we've fought against other imperials for trying to murder mutants and xenos for just existing? Also yes.
That's why the Imperium being totally shit not for one, but for MANY reasons is a concept they can't grasp.
Woke: Your life is meaningless, nothing matters, it’s all a lie to keep you in misery, HAHAHAHA, you fucking useless worm.
You can have a good soldier but the Guard as a whole is not good.
"It's not much, but it's all we got, and we're gonna defend it."
If they had a better government, they'd still defend it all the same.
On the other hand I feel like maybe people absorb media through the culture war lens too much.
Sometimes it's just fun to immerse yourself in space monks vs alien bugs occasionally.
It has the same tone as something like darkest dungeon right now, delivered completely seriously.
It's important to criticize them for sure but it is hard to get them to not just adopt shit that says they are wrong because they only look at the aesthetics.
Also, *Chaplin
If the movie/art/whatever critic something and shows it in the worst way, they are also part of the problem.
"Xenos are bad because they do perverse rituals of pain" Arcoflagilant walks by
"Xenos are bad because they eat people" guardsman in the corner cracks open a can of corpse starch.
The only media mocking fascism that fash have not adopted as theirs was by Charlie Chaplain.
Or didn't know about it.
It is those things that are done right. My problem with 40k is that it is used by fascist because it is not a good commentary.
FFS these are the same idiots who think Bioshock isn't political.
40K problem is that it has a majority that thinks it's ok because its a paradoy/its good. While BioShock and any other fandom has some weirdos.
There are several factions that are better, and only a few are as bad as the Imperium, at all.
Eldar, orks, old ones and necrons are personally responsible for the creation of the infinite space hitler suffering vortex that is the corrupted warp.
I just don't like the kind of stalinist communism --
So are the human and parahuman forces of Chaos.
The Tau are literally not Communists.
The Leagues of Votann are infinitely better than the Imperium, and they are extractive colonialist assholes. XD
Hell, the Kroot in their facet as pure amoral mercenaries are much better than the Imperium.
Also, if that's the metric the Imperium is the main cause of Chaos being as powerful as it is in 40K. So by your own metric, the Imperium is just as bad or worse.
You really don't know shit about Warhammer 40000, do you? XD
https://youtu.be/6-ixN8YE4wc?si=7BHYcRSeNoZE_BSh
This is either a lazy troll, or an extremely online chud.
Dude has never once touched grass.
Like yeah being afraid of demons eating your soul in hyperspace is stupid, but also that actually what happens?
And no the Imperium believes a lot of shit that is not true.
Like using only gothic architecture because they made load bearing walls heretical