To be fair, if Ukraine joins NATO it could very well trigger WW3. Putin has already attacked Ukraine 3 times in the past 20 years and he will not stop. Poland will be next and Europe will be stuck defending eastern Europe again. And again. Putin must never win. And fuck Brasnov.
Possibly. But Russia has been held in check by NATO up to now. That burden now shifts to Europe. I take comfort in the fact that Russia has thus far been unsuccessful.
And Russia is slowly bleeding to death in this war. That's why Europe should double their support for Ukraine, so that Russia (and China) finally understands that invading neighbors only destroys yourself, instead of giving you what you wanted, but wat wasn't yours.
Meh. Putin’s own actions expanded NATO borders by quite a bit in the past three years and he didn’t make a peep. He’ll be fine. He’s all hat and no cattle when challenged on his red lines.
Right now, there are still more people in other countries banding together to fight for Ukraine. They can win. If the assholio tries to get our military to fight them, we stand a good chance that most will walk away.
If Ukraine joins NATO, WW3 is less likely to happen unless Trump withdraws US from NATO & joins forces with Putin. Putin is scared of NATO which is the reason he doesn't want Ukraine to join it. NATO has been successful for decades as a deterrence tool to keep Russia at bay amongst member countries.
No it wouldn’t. It would immediately stop Putin’s aggression in Ukraine. Bringing Ukraine into the NATO fold would also improve European security. The only people against the move are those who align with Putin, like Trump and Orban.
Dude, we are already in WW3. Combat in Ukraine. Covert Ops by Putin all along Europe. Combat in the Middle East (Hamas&Putin vs IDF, Huthis&Putin vs free trade to EU/US. Africa (Putins mercs vs French troops/US). They just do not tell you. WW3 is raging.
Putin is at his weakest right now. His troops are a bunch of conscripts that run away the 1st time a bullet flies.
His troop problem is why North Korea sent troops which turned out to be worse than the ones Putin already had. Putin wants the war to end but w/ Ukraine making all the concessions.
Russia will be flattened if Putin attacks ANY NATO nation. Europe will NOT go back to 1935. Putin thinks he’s so smart with his threats, but he’s not.
I’d love to see NATO alter their rules and admit NATO WITHOUT our vote. IMHO, that will shut Putin up and scare the crap out of Trump.
I don’t think he should resign because I don’t believe the Ukraine can be guaranteed of being able to have a free and fair election. Given Putin , #47, and EM there will be interference.
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Can't have an honest fair election when many ppl are living abroad, soldiers in trenches, ppl living under brutal occupation and you know putler will bomb polling stations.
In fairness, Ukraine is defending itself from an invasion, which is different than traditional war. I know that could be considered splitting hairs, but I think it matters. I suspect if they joined it would be provisional with clearly outlined agreement about how to handle Russia’s aggression
Trump's inner circle (jerk) want him to resign (he shouldn't unless the people of Ukraine want him to), he should want peace (he wants peace), he should say "thank you" (when many times in front of Congress and the UN he has) and "apologize?" for supporting his Country,? for being attacked? WTF?
It's never been about peace. War is money. There's a plan in place and it's not out in the open yet. Trump and Putin are up to something. Maybe I'm just being paranoid but given what's been happening, nothing is off the table.
A true leader. I'm sure Trump & Putin will refuse. They don't want Ukraine in NATO. if Russia attacked down the road NATO would have to respond. As of right now that could mean American help. Trump will pull out of NATO at some point. Trump doesn't stand by American commitments its that simple.
Wish that would work but that is Putins nuclear line. Meaning, it’s the one thing that will piss Putin off more than anything. He’s said it numerous times. He will go nuclear if NATO brings up a resolution to offer membership to Ukraine. That will start WWIII
I’m sure there are no clear reports but his whole military is in shambles. Gives me pause to consider is his nuke arsenal as well??
He’s so good at bullying and threatening but his playing cards have been showing for 3 years. Pulling in troops and arms from NK
Thoughts?
Putin has said alot of shit.
Putin doesn't get to dictate what snother country does.
Bending to his demands eill only embolden him and he will invade other countries.
Oh. I agree. I’ve always felt the EU and UK should join Ukraine asap. Fuck NATO. It’s no longer a deterrent as long as Trump exists. Will America join Putin?? Sounds crazy but Trumps crazy.
They resorted to ruthless and manipulative pressure to force Zelensky to resign, knowing full well that unlike them, he would NEVER betray his country and its people.
The World War 3 fear mongering stuff is overblown. Putin continually tosses out vague threats of "severe consequences" if such and such happens, and he never actually does anything. Then you've also got Medvedev posting psycho babble on Twitter like a pre-teen in a COD lobby after losing a game.
Putin, despite being an authoritarian tyrant, knows the second Russia deploys a nuke, it becomes a crater in the ground. Russia will cease to exist if they ever use a nuclear weapon -- without question. He may be a obsessed with the idea of retaking the USSR land, but he's not an idiot.
They won't accept it while Zelensky is liking out for Ukrainian people, Putin/Trump want a puppet in Ukraine to do their authoritarian - oligarchy bidding. Truthfully, fuck what they want. The world needs to unite and defeat both Putin and the American fascists. How about that?
That is a power move. Unselfish. He personally would not even get rare mineral rights by doing this but his people would gain peace if Russia agrees to withdraw & ceases fire.The selfish egotists will not even know how to handle this type of sacrifice. No angles for them to play.
The US will not vote to admit Ukraine to NATO at least not while Trump and Vance are in charge. I believe Trump would leave the NATO alliance, except that he wants to be the one that stops Ukraine from joining. Trump = Dictator Lover / Autocrat / Self Proclaimed King / Moron.
He's a real optimist if he thinks NATO is going to be around for much longer. Trump won't lift a finger if Putin starts invading the Baltic states. Zelensky should have included the EU in that wish list - hopefully it'll be around for longer. If it isn't, the west is truly screwed.
Trump and Putin want Ukrainian SURRENDER, abandon all ideas of sovereignty and do as they say as they make loadsamoney for themselves.
Trump wants to make "deals" in Russia, he wants money and power for himself.
I see why Zelensky would do this. He wants what ALL OF UKRAINE WANTS, peace in Ukraine. He isn't a power hungry dictator. Actually, I'm sure he's tired. #supportukraine #ukrainenatomember
He is very tired, and so is his wife, she's spoken on it several times. She also resents the fact it has to be him, but also understands its his duty. From what I gathered from an article about a year ago. I'm not sure he even has the desire to run again... makes it all the more maddening.
If he doesn’t then we are really foked… and yet, I completely feel their burden and for how long should anyone have to carry it - particularly if you’re not a soulless egomaniac psychopath..
I can assure you: the kremlin will never agree for Ukraine to join NATO. Therefore, trump will never agree for Ukraine to join NATO. So, all of this will just not happen.
Before Zelenskyy takes any action Trump should declare that the invasion of Ukraine is fully on Putin's hands, and condemn his actions. While ever Trump takes Putin's side Zelenskyy owes nothing.
If Trump wants the world to party like it’s 1999, he’d take up his own personal 6’ dirt nap on his Trump National Golf Club at Bedminster, New Jersey beside Ivana.
Hell. Throw him in the same casket for efficiency.
And that is a good deal. But the felon orange scumbag and his puppet master know that he is loved by the people of the world (including Springfield who supposedly complained their cat and dogs were being eaten while Biden was in office serving the US and the world) and he will not be let go easily.
That's fucking horrible. I hate that the Ukranian people are being held over a barrel like this. They chose Zelensky and you can tell he loves his country and his people.
What a pathetic country we live in.
So putler can reinstall Yanukovich who will do his bidding, keep Ukraine out of EU and NATO and have them slide into totalitarianism.
All bc orange shit had election stolen for him.
But this should’ve never happened. You have to believe in your constitution and laws. The way I understand the 14th amendment Colorado had it right. The whole idea that could mean anything but is ridiculous. It doesn’t even make sense. Why would you allow a prior president
that has tried to commit an insurrection to run for office again? How can that possibly be interpreted in the other way?
The authors were talking about everybody else, but the president? Give me a fucking break. They didn’t want to admit that Donald Trump is a traitor? He shows it. EVERY F’in DAY!
This is exactly the kind of situation they were talking about!!!
Knowing that you had the Russians, Chinese and other adversaries messing around with propaganda, knowing the Chinese were the source of the fentanyl, in their infinite wisdom, the policy makers of the USA thought
This isn't him promising to resign. This is him holding over resignation as a condition of Ukraine being allowed into NATO.
This is Zelensky driving a hard bargain that is unlikely to be accepted, because Putin would lose by default and the full force of NATO would be against Russia.
Because they've probably figured out how to rig the next Ukrainian election. It's just a random thought. I hate that I've become a whacko conspiracy theorist. And a cynical one at that.
The problem is when you say those things you can still remember it coming from the MAGA nuts. So you’re hesitate. I think this election was stolen through the help of Musk. I’m quite sure of it. She had a lot of excitement and support. But if you say that, who do
Putie does not want Ukraine in NATO
tWump wants to leave NATO bc it will benefit Putie and the techno bros as they plan to create a new world order as well.
what tWump does not realize (or seem to care)is if Russia and China attack the USA our former Allies will not come to our aide
Nah! Putin doesn’t want peace. Trump/Karaov doesn’t want peace.
Putin wants Ukraine and the ability to threaten Europe more closely .
His puppet Trump wants the rare earths and neither of them give a stuff about the Ukrainians.
Hopefully, the Americans will overthrow their tyrant. Soon! Or never.
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NATO will never allow Ukraine It’s just all show u idiots
Zelenskyy not going to resign. Putin would never agree to them joining NATO. Get into NATO first before you resign as Putin/Trump are not to be trusted!
Ha! Of course he has the perfect person for the job. This man has been on the Kremlin's hit list for years! Does anyone not think at this point that he wouldn't sacrifice public office for the sake of the safety of his country in NATO? Article 5 baby!
Zelnensky should hold firm and stop trying to appeal to Trump and Putin. Russia is weakened due to this war. Putin is hanging by a thread. The economy of Russia is terrible. People here can check out videos on Joe Blogs as it pertains to Russia's economy crashing from data.
Zelenskyy is honourable - its not about him, it is about his country - That is the very big difference between Trump and DC - they’re all (Maga) only focusing on themselves -
Honestly, I want him to be as busy with golfing as possible, so he doesn't have time to destroy things. Also, it'd be great if Elon got serious about Path of Exile. Men need hobbies!
If Zelenskyy resigns it’s going to be because he knows he will never be able to get as much money from European nations as he was able to get from Biden.
Putin's not going to voluntarily pull out of eastern Ukraine & Crimea. It's why there's a war. Trump thinks he's a part of this, but he's not. The EU will up its contributions to make up for America's abandonment of Ukraine. and the US, via Trump, will have lost a sphere of influence.
I don’t like it. that just gives a Musk scum surrogate doll a fighting chance to get elected and effectively turn into another satellite shitshow like hungary.
That’s childish. There is no automatic membership in NATO no matter the hardship. Ask all former Eastern bloc countries how long it took them and the securit standards they needed to adhère to. There is still too much corruption and Russian spies at all levels.
He should be allowed to join it regardless. Instead of NATO cowing to Russia by not allowing Ukrain the join, they should just let the country in. The USA already did the crazy flip, so NATO should just do it. Trump's not playing by the rules, so don't be bullied by him.
Apparently GOP is clueless about Ukraine & it struggle. Speaker Johnson asked Zelenskyy to resign bec he disrespected the Trump admin. Fact is, they are ignorant. He wants lasting peace. Security means if invaded, USA will stop the war. Vance is top diplomat-with no experience- videos don’t count!
The only videos Vance has seen are on right-wing media, which we all know has a very distinctive spin. That's not even like someone who watches a variety of media and has seen a lot of videos, who might have a pretty good idea of what's going on. Vance has absolutely no clue, and no shame.
True, someone in this thread wisely mentioned the possibility of a Putin puppet regime if he resigns. That’s what Putin did in the other areas he occupied. And, you know he has people all over that country.
With the U.S. neutered, that is not a deal President Z even has to consider anymore. NATO is not a criminal mercenary enterprise as long as maga shuns it. Hey, can they kick US out? Find the loophole and do it! We are liars, extorters and frauds. We will not honor agreements. We are not worthy.
That's a really strong move on Zelenskyy's part. It shows he is more interested in protecting his country and people than in his own self-aggrandizement (cough, cough).
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I love how President Zelenskyy plays multi-dimensional chess with the two checkers players. And, one of the two is such a fucking moron, he can't figure out how to set up the checkers board although he repeatedly brags he's the best checkers player ever.
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That is the type of sacrifice that neither The Clown, nor anyone in his administration could ever make. I sincerely hope Zelenskyy goes down in history for being the hero he is. 💛
Meh.. it’s the deal we made. America should honor its obligations/commitments. Funny how ppl think not supporting democracy around the word will somehow end up as more money in their pockets. Good luck with that!
NATO is worthless because Trump has made it so. No country can ever expect the US to come to their aid if they're attacked. So why even bother with NATO? Just make European NATO and be done with it.
um, where are you sourcing this? The Ukranian Parliament just affirmed unanimously he is still the President. That is all over the place in the wires. Not saying it would not be a brilliant move, but I am not hearing this on the chatter anywhere.
"Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said that he was “ready” to resign as leader if it meant it would bring peace to his country, suggesting he could swap it for NATO membership."
I don't think it should be an either/or personally, it's pretty clear he is a solid leader & his people are w/ him
Thank you everyone for the clarification! :) <3 Yes, he will not step down. His people love him too much for that. Trump on the other hand... it could not be soon enough before he resigns. <3
In the end putin will not get what he wants and will, “fall out of a window” but he could have been dead for years if Hillary had not been cheated and this WHOLE world could be richer, more just, more fair, cleaner, smarter, more fun….but american rednecks
Trump has proven over and over that the US is no longer a trusted partner. The EU and Ukraine need to move forward and quickly build a strategy that is independent of the US and NATO, neither of which may be around for much longer.
That would be short-sighted on Zelenskyy's part. Putin will seek to replace Zelenskyy with someone who will immediately turn around and withdraw from NATO.
Trump only wants peace for the glory, and to feed his ego. Putin only wants to subjugate the Ukrainian people utterly and to undermine European sovereignty. Neither Trump or Putin will allow Ukraine to keep sovereignty and Europe can't secure Ukraine solely against both at least not yet.
The insanity is that he considers himself a "man of peace" while he allows the wanton slaughter of innocent men, women, and children in both Palestine and Ukraine while working openly with their persecutors bowing to one and protecting the other and taking hostile actions against every ally we had.
He would effectively be sacrificing himself for his people if he does that. But NATO is collapsing and the Russians would never agree to those terms. NATO expansion being one of Putins supposed reasons for the invasion in the first place. Plus who would replace Zelensky a puppet no doubt.
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His troop problem is why North Korea sent troops which turned out to be worse than the ones Putin already had. Putin wants the war to end but w/ Ukraine making all the concessions.
I’d love to see NATO alter their rules and admit NATO WITHOUT our vote. IMHO, that will shut Putin up and scare the crap out of Trump.
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Slovakia???
He’s so good at bullying and threatening but his playing cards have been showing for 3 years. Pulling in troops and arms from NK
Thoughts?
Putin doesn't get to dictate what snother country does.
Bending to his demands eill only embolden him and he will invade other countries.
Why do you think he was able to give his mom a multi million dollar house.
You people are fools
Putin and trump are using Ukraine to destroy America.
attack Ukraine in the future and ment it then why are they afraid of Ukraine joining NATO? We know why.
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Join NATO.
Hold new elections.
Zelensky re-elected in a landslide.
Checkmate.
Trump wants to make "deals" in Russia, he wants money and power for himself.
Hell. Throw him in the same casket for efficiency.
Would Putin trust NATO’s word? Not likely. So why should Zelensky trust Putin’s word that he won’t invade a disarmed Ukraine?
Zelensky would be a fool to trust Putin, obviously.
They just don’t have the guts to say it right out loud.
#PutinsPuppet
#PutinIsAWarCriminal
But only Zelenskyy would do it - and keeps to his word.
Putin will do anything to cripple the NATO before continuing the assault on the Ukraine.
What a pathetic country we live in.
https://youtu.be/14bHfnkr6rM?si=5l_sCHfBNBGA2aks
The NATO thing there’s something wrong here
Putin‘s in trouble at home. His country literally is going down economically.
https://bsky.app/profile/tradesman2trader.bsky.social/post/3ljgyxoyi322p
Why do they want him out of there so bad?
All bc orange shit had election stolen for him.
But this should’ve never happened. You have to believe in your constitution and laws. The way I understand the 14th amendment Colorado had it right. The whole idea that could mean anything but is ridiculous. It doesn’t even make sense. Why would you allow a prior president
The authors were talking about everybody else, but the president? Give me a fucking break. They didn’t want to admit that Donald Trump is a traitor? He shows it. EVERY F’in DAY!
Knowing that you had the Russians, Chinese and other adversaries messing around with propaganda, knowing the Chinese were the source of the fentanyl, in their infinite wisdom, the policy makers of the USA thought
There are a couple of reasons.
But the most fucking glaring of them all ;
1) if this had gone to court, we would’ve seen the evidence.The voters of the USA didn’t
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I didn’t look real hard, but I didn’t see anything saying he was resigning just this -that they are calling for his resignation
Fuck trump
This is Zelensky driving a hard bargain that is unlikely to be accepted, because Putin would lose by default and the full force of NATO would be against Russia.
That is fucking ridiculous. He has no say. The president has no say in the dealings of another country. This is a democratic state.
But I’d be concerned if they accepted these terms.
To me it’d indicate plan b
The problem is when you say those things you can still remember it coming from the MAGA nuts. So you’re hesitate. I think this election was stolen through the help of Musk. I’m quite sure of it. She had a lot of excitement and support. But if you say that, who do
It’s all by design I tell you. That is why he was doing it when he was doing it. The Russians have the subversion thing down to a fucking T
tWump wants to leave NATO bc it will benefit Putie and the techno bros as they plan to create a new world order as well.
what tWump does not realize (or seem to care)is if Russia and China attack the USA our former Allies will not come to our aide
Don't resign.
Putin wants Ukraine and the ability to threaten Europe more closely .
His puppet Trump wants the rare earths and neither of them give a stuff about the Ukrainians.
Hopefully, the Americans will overthrow their tyrant. Soon! Or never.
NATO will never allow Ukraine It’s just all show u idiots
of course Putin needs to resign also and,
For continuity, tRump without question..
Nobody invited them to bring destruction to Ukraine.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/23/europe/ukraine-zelensky-resign-nato-intl/index.html
NATO expansion is driven by Russian aggression.
You had it backwards.
ALL countries in the OSCE have an equal right to security, and the sovereign right to join any alliance.
We know this because Russia said so when it wrote and repeatedly signed the Helsinki Accords, most recently in 1995
https://www.ngrippel.com/ngr-politics.html
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R Rapist
U Unhinged
M Moron
P Psycho
J Jackass
D Delusional
V Vicious
A Asshole
N Naive
C Corrupt
E Egomaniac
Plus he wants that elusive Nobel Peace Prize.
Funny that other countries give loans and America just gives money for free
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum
So you tell me how a no named, second rate comedian with no money can afford to buy his mother a multimillion home.
Ukraine is a huge money laundering machine.
Posting old news after a dozen things have happened that totally change the equation.
Piss off with the clickbait.
I don't think it should be an either/or personally, it's pretty clear he is a solid leader & his people are w/ him
https://www.youtube.com/live/YAIF4UkCu_I?si=AbPZFQPGqKoVcOQh