We should thank our lucky starts that Zelensky is strong and capable of resisting an invasion of a greedy dictator. Not understand why NATO exists is a dangerous ignorance than helps Putin every. single. day.
We have our own greedy dictator to get under control.
Those weren't Ukraine's nukes, those were the USSR's nukes. Ukraine was part of the former USSR & in order to get the Kremlin's permission for the breakaway brokered by the USA, Ukraine turned in the nukes. I studied this piece of history in college.
Those of us who know a criminal when we see one even before he was convicted how many times? 34x he was convicted of felonies! He is such an expert at committing crimes because he’s been doing them his whole life! When is it enough? When will he go to prison with other criminals? He’s not exempt!
I still think a fair compromise is to let the US have mineral rights to land currently controlled by Russians; all they have to do is remove the squatters to gain access.
That’s no “compromise,” making the thief cough up his spoils but not back to you, the rightful owner, but to a third party?! Under your scenario, what do the EU countries get? You just compromised any sense of ethics and justice.
Having the US fight directly with Russian troops is the reward.
Russia won't give that land up without a fight. Ukraine doesn't need to sacrifice its population to clear Russian troops, that alone is worth far more than the mineral rights.
That makes no sense to me. If you received a present from your employer, is it really a gift when they demand you reciprocate? Imagine your employer firing you for not reciprocating and tearing up your home and property to reclaim their investment in you for the rest of your life.
“Russia has …violated the commitments it made in that document. That imposes an obligation on Washington to support Ukraine and push back against Russia. It is about the credibility of security assurances, preventing nuclear proliferation in the future”
Europe MUST GIVE UKRAINE Russia’s frozen assets!!! Hold a trial In abstentia of Russia, if you find it guilty of war crimes, award Ukraine the $200 billion!!!!
Budapest Memorandum: Back in 1994 the USA, and Russia, pledged to protect Ukraine from military aggression if they gave up their nuclear weapons. We pledged to protect Ukraine! Our aid is not loans. It’s fulfilling a pledge.
Kick them while they're down. All while conveniently ignoring our promise the Budapest Memorandum, where Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons for so-called security assurances from U.S., Russia, and the U.K
Trump is EVIL! Only he would want the money back. It’s always all about him and his Billionaire friends and flunkies that bow to him.
Not a word about the fires, floods and tornadoes. He’s back in Palm Beach screwing up the traffic. We just spent another 3.4 million for his weekly visit.
I think it is higher than that. We sent them our older weapons, jets, missiles, etc. so not only did it support the U.S. defense industry, it also allowed the U.S. military to modernize its own weaponry. Total win-win.
Other countries, like Norway donated F 16 to Ukraine, and replaced them with F 35 when we still believed it was safe to buy military equipment from the US.
Trump is a Hitler/Putin class megalomaniac. I used to think it was a mix of malignant narcissism, egomania, sociopathy + stupidity but now I think it’s full blown psychopathy on top of all that. America’s reputation for integrity or leadership is forever gone. Once you lose it, you never get it back
Indeed. They always get their comeuppance, but, in the case of Trump, Musk and their far right wing inner circle, it can’t come soon enough. We can’t lose 4 full years to these amoral lunatics
After 80 years Europe is comfortable with Germany taking a lead as a military power. It only takes time, and a nazi to remove the stains from another nazi.
We have never, in the entire history of this country, demanded repayment (with INTEREST yet!) of funds granted to other countries as domestic or military aid. Trying to make Ukraine the exception is a slap in the face, and totally repugnant to all who value freedom and democracy.
If the Europeans can accelerate rearmament, I really feel Zelensky and Ukraine may be best served simply throwing in with them and cutting the Great "Dealmaker" out of the dealing.
smh
Putin isn' the one that is arming Genocide
WE ARE...
I suggest people get their heads out of their asses
WHAT was so egregious that Uke was unwilling to negotiate BEFORE Russia invaded?
WHAT was the deal??
anyone know?
I bet you don't..
It never was a loan, it was from a time when America helped its allies with rulers destroying them
If we are going to charge Ukraine, maybe they should charge trump for all of the lives, massive damage he caused via his failed cease fires
Give them time to rebuild, musk can help out and buy minerals
For heavens sake, doesn’t anyone watch Judge Judy? Unless there is some form of contract, verbal OR written, where both parties agree to the loan along with timing and terms to pay it back, it’s not a loan. It’s a gift. 🎁
That's exactly right! None of it was ever a loan, it's been what allies do, help each other! When allies helped the US in the past, those were never loans, either!
Well Britain had to pay back their lend lease loan for WW2 for over 50 years. The Budapest agreement was a memorandum which is not quite a promise but should be honoured. Bidens terms weren't a loan or lend lease and you can't retrospectively make it a loan. Trump could offer a new lend lease now.
TY for that insight; I looked it up. Back then, the lend lease loan"...marked a significant step away from America's post-first world war isolationism." Trump is returning the US to isolationism; I bet Trump would try to sell the idea if he thought of it. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2006/dec/29/politics.secondworldwar
If Trump was half the business man he seems to think he is, then he would know that one cannot rewrite the terms of a previous agreement unilaterally.
His actions are tantamount to bullying, coercion, and intimidation.
Which is about all that Trump is good for.
Europe continues MUST unite to save Democracy, before Trump decides to take Greenland, continues to let Russia take Ukraine. I’m sure Canada & Mexico would join. Bully’s must be stood up to. It’s time for Europe to shine!! Democracy’s Together Must Stop Trump!
Zelensky has been battling Trumps master You think he’s scared of his puppet
Trump | Putin think a weak isolated US strengthens Russia . What if it ends of strengthening and enriching the EU who has been stuck under US shade
Good. That $150Bn or whatever it is (it ain’t over $350Bn as the Liar likes to lie about) went to US weapons manufacturers to replace to older ordnance that we sent Ukraine. So supporting Ukraine was literally a win win for US…until Trump fucked the whole goddamned thing right up.
It's all so stupid. We didn't send money. We sent weapons that we paid American to build that were going to expire, so we could pay Americans to build fresh weapons. There's no such thing as "borrowing" stuff that explodes. And why would we want foreign-made weapons in return?
There are American bases across Europe. Ukrainians have been dying not just to protect their own country but to hold back the Russian expansion that would eventually involve Americans. No way should that be construed as a loan.
It should be seen as a part payment of breaking the agreement of breaking Budapest Memorandum and that is worth many..many millions more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!🤢
How about all the Nato countries that showed up for 911 bill the USA?
That bill can be used by Ukraine instead of paying us directly.
We weren't tacky enough to ask for money back then.
The British agreed as it was a loan and it was presented as such from the beginning. The weapons sent to Ukraine was never a loan and was never supposed to be. They were sent because they were owed, for the Ukraine relinquishing their nukes in the 90s. The US signed this and promised to help them.
Those may (probably?) were actual war loans. Not the same as "we'll send tanks, airplanes, ammunition". Before we joined the war Roosevelt sent 50 destroyers to Britain in exchange for bases in the Caribbean and Newfoundland. Not a gift.
Those items included in the Lend/Lease program, yes. But billions of other expenditures by the US on behalf of he UK were not. Same with France and other US allies. Most of those "debts" were just cancelled or absorbed into the Marshall Plan for the rebuilding of Europe.
The situation for us in the UK was dire, on our own, our cities and industry being levelled, without the air defence that is available today. Rationing was extreme. We agreed to punitive loans that we only finished repaying in 2002.
NO ONE SHOULD PAY BACK THEIR GODAMN STUDENT LOANS ESPECIALLY WHEN WE GIVE ISRAHELL OVER $4 BILLION EVERY GODAMN YEAR SO THOSE EVIL BASTARDS CAN GO TO THE UNIVERSITY FOR FREE!!! IF WE CAN AFFORD ENDLESS WARS AND GENOCIDES & FREE UNIVERSITY FOR ISRAHELL THEN WE CAN DEFINITELY AFFORD FREE ED FOR U.S.🥱
Yes i agree but the sad truth is Americans value to 🇺🇸 is as cheap labour. The Israelis run the banks. It’s not racist to say that either, they do. So they lobby more effectively than factory working families. They are classists & before i get backlash I’m talking about most not all.
The U S better wake up and recognize Ukraine is holding the line for us! China/N Korea/Iran are supporting Russia! When this axis comes against us, who'll ally with us? We're pissing off our traditional and dependable allies! Cold reality
Volodymyr will pay us back by winning & I think that is very doable. Ukraine has been playing a smart long game, hitting supply lines, offensive airfields, etc.
Putin only seems to have one plan, that is throwing massive "meat" charges at Ukraine. I hope Russia tires of providing cannon fodder.
I’m no foreign policy expert, but this feels like an easy slam dunk for Trump. Not that I disagree with president Zelensky’s decision, but to announce such a thing publicly gives Trump ammunition to pull support from Ukraine and perhaps even support Russia. Maybe Zelensky is just reading the cards.
If our own Congress isn’t going to call out Trump, thank heavens other countries are calling Trump’s bluff. What an embarrassment to American Democracy.
Good for him! Don’t let the dictator and thief get a dime. Trump not only didn’t have the Ukraines back, you know the promise America made when they gave up their nukes, he tossed them under the bus to please Putin. Trump is responsible for many Ukrainian deaths and deserves only contempt.
Good. Don't sign over mineral rights either. Ukraine doesn't owe anyone anything. They're defending the free world at a huge cost to their people. The least we can do is support them.
Because we made Ukraine get rid of their nukes and we were supposed to protect them because of that, they should not have to pay back any money for the weapons we gave them. @uptoukraine.bsky.social
Good move by Zelens! Ukraine should unite and continue to stick to this position. The national society should also support Ukraine's reasonable demands and resist unwarranted actions
Indeed, no. It was given to a democracy with no strings attached. To give something and then later try to attach strings is a scam. I don't know about the illegalities involved, but I'd guess they exist.
If something is a loan, you structure it that way from the outset. Changing the terms / rules / conditions for things after the fact is not acceptable.
If President Zelensky does not allow the USA to bully him, he is one of the rare people in this world who has a spine and a clean knee for refusing to bend a knee to the Golden Calf...
Trump is predestined to FAIL on his goals, when he pre-announces what he’s going to do -prior to having any talks with the parties involved. ie..“The US is going to take Greenland one way or the other”. “Palestine is going to be the new Middle East Riviera”. “We will retake the Panama Canal”.
Damn right! We must support our allies. These people are fighting for their right to exist as a free democracy, but Trump doesn't care. He's too self-absorbed and power hungry to give a shit about whether Ukraine gets taken over by his bro, Putin. It makes s mockery of us all.
Stick to your guns (so to speak) President Zelensky!! The American people, those of us who are holding on to our sanity by a thread, are fully behind you. Cede nothing to crooks!! 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
Bravo. Slava Ukraini. We are creating a coalition holding hearts from Ukraine, Europe, Denmark, Greenland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, others, and rest of Nato, standing together with the 70% of US citizens that fight the Nazi Regime, and the oligarchs. We normal people will win this.
Loans come with agreements that both parties sign in advance of the funds being handed over, with terms clearly stated for repayment. No agreement? Then it must have been given freely as a gift without expectation of repayment. If Trump can't produce the agreement then he should STFU.
Tired of yelling at your 📱 like it’s gonna fix things? Good.
On April 5th, we stop scrolling and start showing up.
Because if you’re not at the protest, you’re basically the NPC in someone else’s story.
Be loud. Be seen. Resist.
History doesn’t remember the quiet ones—👀 you there.
#handsoff
Just a reminder to everyone that before the Krassenstein brothers were social media hucksters, they were platforming financial fraud that destroyed people's savings.
It was always going to happen.
Zelensky has had to keep Trump happy, thinking he had Ukraine by the balls.
Zelensky was just biding his time while UK and EU and others got stuff organised.
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We have our own greedy dictator to get under control.
Russia won't give that land up without a fight. Ukraine doesn't need to sacrifice its population to clear Russian troops, that alone is worth far more than the mineral rights.
You have my permission to tell trump to go f—— himself.
“Russia has …violated the commitments it made in that document. That imposes an obligation on Washington to support Ukraine and push back against Russia. It is about the credibility of security assurances, preventing nuclear proliferation in the future”
The pact is nothing more than a Paper Tiger Pact.
Not a word about the fires, floods and tornadoes. He’s back in Palm Beach screwing up the traffic. We just spent another 3.4 million for his weekly visit.
In 2025 it's America's turn.
Curious when and how he will "address" China.
FDJT!
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/02/corruption-trump-administration/681794/?gift=fXb4ymsFcV2ntAzqIpmYvTRFXPS9lHo6m11uGiVAgDg&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share
That's who does shit like this. It's basic fraud.
"Heres money to help in tragedy." Later: "oh that was a loan"
Putin is on his back legs, give him the one two punch!
Putin isn' the one that is arming Genocide
WE ARE...
I suggest people get their heads out of their asses
WHAT was so egregious that Uke was unwilling to negotiate BEFORE Russia invaded?
WHAT was the deal??
anyone know?
I bet you don't..
WE SUCK.. as DC would not let Uke negotiate
https://donate.who.foundation
If we are going to charge Ukraine, maybe they should charge trump for all of the lives, massive damage he caused via his failed cease fires
Give them time to rebuild, musk can help out and buy minerals
Full article here:
https://derkoolschrank.com/the-new-molotov-ribbentrop-pact-the-remains-of-ukraine-and-the-new-european-theater-of-war/
His actions are tantamount to bullying, coercion, and intimidation.
Which is about all that Trump is good for.
loan agreement at 24% APR
Trump | Putin think a weak isolated US strengthens Russia . What if it ends of strengthening and enriching the EU who has been stuck under US shade
Trumpski only thinks in quids ($)
as the DOJ pursued Assange like rabid dogs for outing DC's massive corruption
"The cables revealed U.S. officials applying financial, diplomatic, and frequently military pressure on behalf of Monsanto and other biotech corporations."
https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/08/23/environmentalists-owe-an-enormous-debt-to-julian-assange/
That bill can be used by Ukraine instead of paying us directly.
We weren't tacky enough to ask for money back then.
Epstein and Trump threatened her life and her family's life IF she pursued- and she disappeared
BUT her testimony remains-
Apparently Trump and Epstein preferred 12 and 13 old girls
that kind of sex is called Rape
SHE had a witness... to the depravity
https://archive.org/stream/jeffrey-epstein-lawsuit-docs-signed/jeffrey-epstein-lawsuit-docs-signed_djvu.txt
Also fuck Trumusk.
Heroian Ukraini 🇺🇦🇺🇦
Another one for integrity, zero for THE president. (NOT MY president)
Putin only seems to have one plan, that is throwing massive "meat" charges at Ukraine. I hope Russia tires of providing cannon fodder.
LMAO
But ... "skiing", please. 😉
🇺🇦❤️
On April 5th, we stop scrolling and start showing up.
Because if you’re not at the protest, you’re basically the NPC in someone else’s story.
Be loud. Be seen. Resist.
History doesn’t remember the quiet ones—👀 you there.
#handsoff
But even if not. US signed a treaty (which even Biden didn't really uphold)
Stop reposting these slimeballs into my TL. Every time you do, I'll post this in the replies:
https://www.influencewatch.org/person/brian-krassenstein/
Trump: "Give me what I want Ukraine, or I will feed you to the russian wolf."
Trump: "If the Ukraine doesn't give it to me, I will sell them out to my friend Putin -who wll then be doing great deals with me."
Trump wanted to profit retroactively for aid that was owed and given.
Zelensky has had to keep Trump happy, thinking he had Ukraine by the balls.
Zelensky was just biding his time while UK and EU and others got stuff organised.