more technically, Luigi is an anti-hero. he is the protagonist who brought about a societal good with actions that don’t align with our society’s morals.
and hero archetypes have always been terrible anyhow.
It shouldn't simply be assumed that the suspect in custody is the person who did the shooting. Last time I checked it was innocent until proven guilty, not innocent until named by the police
I do like how the right will further hasten the class reset (hopefully peaceful) that our country rightly needs. The brazen kleptocrats of the incoming administration aren’t even trying to hide the corruption and the right will cheer them on.
Violence is "never the answer" is a an individual and interpersonal rule not a societal one.
What happens when people believe they have no recourse in the system? They go outside of the system. Our system is a social contract. If that contract is violated, all bets are off.
It's the NY Times, who just ran a story suggesting the trans community should be nicer to JK Rowling. So this is at least a move in the direction of consistency for them.
Can someone please flip the switch back to normal mode? I swear someone ripped a hole in space/ time and we are living in an alternate reality. I don’t want to live in a reality where a fucking scumbag CEO is considered a hero!
A CEO of a billion dollar company is not a "working class hero". Corporate Villain is more accurate. I don't think Luigi is a villain or hero, more vigilante.
Thompson’s childhood was spent “going row by row through the fields to kill weeds with a knife, or working manual labor at turkey and hog farms.” OKay? Like what? "Wow see he worked jobs, he's just like me!"
(Bret Stephens saying anything) Hey Siri, show me the dumbest take anybody has ever had on any subject in the entire history of hominid evolution on planet Earth.
Ah yes "working class hero" Thompson, Separated from his "wife" for years, DUIs..facing $121m lawsuit For insider trading that ended up costing his company $100Bn!! Weird how now they're no longer responsible for that $121 million lawsuit since he's dead. If not LM, a board member or himself 🤷
Let's dive in:
"a 2023 survey from the nonpartisan health policy research institute KFF found that 81 percent of insured adults gave their health insurance plans a rating of “excellent” or “good.” "
I'd rate the transit options in San Francisco as good; that is, compared to the rest of America knowing that it is still shit compared to, e.g, Paris.
Rating an insurance as good is in relation others; we all know they all are horrible
Check this out from the same study, one paragraph below:
(2/4)
"Nearly half of insured adults who had insurance problems were unable to satisfactorily resolve them [...] one in six [of insured ] (17%) say they were unable to receive recommended care as a direct result of their problems (3/4)
15% say they experienced a decline in their health and about three in ten (28%) say they paid more than they expected for care all as a direct result of their problems."
I’m not allowed to comment on NYT articles anymore. They banned me for calling Bret a “tryhard emo edgelord,” as if that were some unreasonable assessment.
As a singular human being, my body cannot hold enough contempt for the likes of NYT. They deserve more than even the most devoutly hateful person can muster.
This feels like a power play. NYT knows exactly what people think about health care and why. Articles like this are to comfort the wealthy and tell everyone else to get back in their box.
I mean, if that's the theory, then… powder keg of a society, full of guns, and you're specifically talking down to a swathe of people of whom many are chronically/terminally ill or otherwise don't feel like they have anything to lose?
Oh yeah, definitely bad strategy. I've often found that greed, self-interest and lack of empathy means they don't grasp or don't care about the consequences of their actions.
And it's also a society with heavily militarised police that would definitely open fire on protesters.
Opinion writers aren’t news. There’s an entire daily paper with news, human interest stories and investigative reports that are what folks should care about. Not perfect by any means but no newspaper’s opinion page should be considered news.
Contempt for the Times based on an opinion writer’s column isn’t what one’s contempt should be based on because, as I said, it’s not news. Or newsworthy.
The opinions they elevate steer the narrative, influence people, and build cultural momentum. The opinions they elevate are a reflection of the nation as they see it.
Other than maybe his own kids, nobody from Tim Pool to Bernie Sanders believes Thompson was a hero. Well, they might now.
Politely disagree. The purpose of opinion pages is to make folks think and interact. Letters to the editor are filled with disagreement and they get published. Anyone who can be swayed by one opinion piece isn’t thinking critically. I came away from it thinking he forgot where he came from. By a lot
I am reluctant to call Luigi a hero.
but he doesnt need to be a hero. he is a man of the people id describe him as.
trying to put forth the notion Brian Thompson was a hero is laughable.
under Brian the denied rate increased. and it under him that they started using AI
he is a nice looking monster
transphobic, pro-genocide, libbed up, corporate apologia. woe to nyt readers who use the "paper of record" instead of their conscience as a moral compass
Who better to identify what it means to be a working class hero than the son of a manufacturing magnate who gets paid more than a thousand actual journalists combined to write one dogshit column a week
I'm rethinking my subscription to the NY Times. It's an OpEd piece, but the editorial decision was made to publish. The very idea they would allow this is repugnant. The editors & management of the times can't be so far removed from the reality of the working class? Can they?
Everyone wants free markets and no regulation yet they cheer for a punk who shot an innocent man in the back. It’s ridiculous that anyone thinks he’s a hero.
I can’t find this on the internet anywhere as a real thing. Search for this column before you believe it. Not that I like finding myself in the icky and uncomfortable position of defending Bret Stephens (yuck) but this is something from reddit I think
My Google is plenty stupid. 😆 I almost never use Google. It's a terrible research tool. I went to the NYTimes website, searched under the opinion writer's name, and this piece was the first thing to pop up since it was his newest.
Did brett mention how he and his wife were secretly separated? Or his DUI conviction? Or his being investigated for insider trading? No? Shocked Pikachu face. 100million $ insider trading scandal screams working class hero.
Working class CEO just trying to get enough to make ends meet and you people laugh? You shoot him? He needs that money to pay for his new wife's plastic surgery when he meets her
"Trying to make ends meet" legit snort. Bought another house when he and his wife separated. You know, workin' man's struggles. One of Guthries deep cuts.
As I went walking I saw a sign there
And on the sign it said "No Trespassing."
But on the other side it "if trespasser is closer than this sign, you can legally shoot them",
That side was made for you and me.
From a working-class background, Thompson became CEO of one of the most profitable health insurance companies, where he led their efforts to legally euthanize customers, denying tens, maybe hundreds of thousand of life-saving care, while bankrupting so many families.
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and hero archetypes have always been terrible anyhow.
Er, I mean "rich." He became rich. Yeah.
What happens when people believe they have no recourse in the system? They go outside of the system. Our system is a social contract. If that contract is violated, all bets are off.
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
If you want to be like the folks on the hill
A working class hero is something to be"
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/luigis-manifesto
link here https://www.removepaywall.com/search?url=https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/12/04/opinion/thepoint#brian-thompson-luigi-mangione for anyone who wants it
I'm firmly in the camp of "wishing murder on someone is just wrong, no matter who they are". But this is a whole 'nother thing.
Please tell me it's not real.
Still not reading it unless someone posts screenshots because I don’t click on Bret Stephens rage bait
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Link: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/12/04/opinion/thepoint#brian-thompson-luigi-mangione
Let's dive in:
"a 2023 survey from the nonpartisan health policy research institute KFF found that 81 percent of insured adults gave their health insurance plans a rating of “excellent” or “good.” "
No shit...
(1/4)
Rating an insurance as good is in relation others; we all know they all are horrible
Check this out from the same study, one paragraph below:
(2/4)
https://www.kff.org/private-insurance/poll-finding/kff-survey-of-consumer-experiences-with-health-insurance/
My dude is cherry picking just to say that everyone absolutely loves their private insurance
(4/4)
by Bret Stephens
@nytpitchbot.bsky.social
- Bret Stephens probably, idk I didn't read it
And @newyorktimeshaiku.bsky.social …
It’s like you TRY to get the American people to hate you.
You’re doing a great job if so
He already had the boot past his lips and now it's so far down his throat he's blocking oxygen to his brain.
game over, 1984 is here
I dunno, I could see that being a bad strategy.
And it's also a society with heavily militarised police that would definitely open fire on protesters.
Other than maybe his own kids, nobody from Tim Pool to Bernie Sanders believes Thompson was a hero. Well, they might now.
but he doesnt need to be a hero. he is a man of the people id describe him as.
trying to put forth the notion Brian Thompson was a hero is laughable.
under Brian the denied rate increased. and it under him that they started using AI
he is a nice looking monster
And yet...
Here’s the op-ed under the headline in case anyone wants to read it.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/12/04/opinion/thepoint?smid=url-share
Try Dr. Fauci.( worked the families pharmacy register as a child)
And of course it was bret.
It replied with a link to this article.
https://www.npr.org/2019/08/28/755177135/the-internet-saga-that-followed-a-tweet-comparing-bedbugs-and-a-columnist
But in Brett's world, it's black hats and white hats.
What a douche!
And on the sign it said "No Trespassing."
But on the other side it "if trespasser is closer than this sign, you can legally shoot them",
That side was made for you and me.
What a hero!