I'm not in an echo chamber, the people on Facebook who think there are kitty littler boxes in local high schools are the ones getting nonsense sent back to them.
I would actually like to start a class action suit against ex-twitter and Elon Musk for falsely advertising the platform as social media while intentionally allowing non-social bots to completely destroy the social fabric of the platform.
Let us not forget the hard push for "alternative truth and reality" to be truth and reality under Trump and his MAGA movement 2016-2020
I foresee a revisit from them on a "whole nutha level" 🤦
Listen, I think that we should start kicking kittens. The fact that everyone here thinks I'm an asshole means you're all in an echo chamber. I'm going back to the Kitten Kickers Klan where not kicking kittens is against the rules & I can punch people like you in the face for calling me an asshole /s
Is it because the left are expected to be “better”?
It’s a bit like how good kids in class get in trouble for something small whereas the misbehaving children get away with a lot more.
Also, it doesn’t take into account the diversity of opinions, interests and knowledge; covering a vast range of topics, people like to talk about, that isn’t hating on someone or something because of ignorance/fear/malice/whatever it is that fuels them.
It's insane. There is an entire media ecosystem built around the far right (Twitter/TS/Rogan/FOX, etc) literally coordinating & echoing anti-Democratic talking points.
Same people say that Harris should have been less woke when it came to race and transgender policy which tells us everything we need to know about America
It is strange How Liberating the echo chamber is and how easy it is to find what you are interested in instead of having an ALG tell you what you like!
It assumes Twitter was a neutral space where people of good faith could engage in reasoned arguments about differences of opinion. But that's not true. Hasn't been true for years.
It's recycling early myths of the internet-as-liberation that techbros used to create a hero narrative of themselves.
And haven't we spent 8 years reaching out and gaining understanding of these people? Broadening horizons. If there's insight into that side of America we haven't figured out after all this work, we never will. And no short form social app will reveal any secret we don't already know it.
It’s also predicated on the notion that liberals and leftists should be subjected to right-wing shouting in every place we go, every place we hang out, every place we live.
If we’re not constantly listening to the worst, loudest, most hateful opinions, even in our relax time, it’s an echo chamber.
is it necessary for me to expand my horizons if those horizons believe i shouldn’t exist? it’s such a white&male perspective to be so obsessed with leaving ur ‘echo chamber’
I don't think the @theglobeandmail.com has a good idea of what an echo chamber is. The net result of this innuendo is the term's definition is diluted.
I looked at some of the author's other stuff and it includes kind of wishy-washy middle-ground stuff on Israel/Gaza and trans folk. That's going to get some pushback here, which might explain why she thinks it's an echo chamber.
Yes. And that denying some people (who are not harming anyone else) of basic rights, services, etc. is a valid perspective. It's not. Have always been happy to debate policy. That's different than debating human rights.
When invalid perspectives go unchallenged - or worse, are not challenged effectively - those invalid perspectives can become law. Whether or not our own or others' perspectives are "valid" they need to be known and understood to be defeated.
not to mention the most obvious duh in all of it - if you don’t want an echo chamber in your socials, then don’t create one. it’s incredibly easy to do
Discussion also requires making statements and asking questions in good faith, which they don't do. Their debate toolbox is mostly empty and the tools are all rusted or broken: deflect, lie, insult
they don't believe the paradox of intolerance is necessary, which is why they always use "THE TOLERANT LEFT!" as a slur when we shut them out of the discussion.
Not to mention the critiques about Bsky seem to not always mention how Meta owns half of the major social media options out there, and how it’s especially important to have options/alternatives that aren’t owned by just 1-2 billionaires for all the obvious and not so obvious reasons.
Basically, I very much wonder how many of the folks writing these anti-Bsky stories are just heavily invested in Twitter/Meta and don’t like the competition.
But also yes, if we don’t associate with nazis etc. in person, why would we online?
Not to mention the post election call to create a “a robust left leaning media environment” ie conservative talk radio/Rogan/Fox News/etc. Like which is it, left savvy media or more capitulation to the right a la both siderism and condemnation of “echo chambers”? People cannot be pleased.
I’d also add that Republicans have MORE THAN ENOUGH platforms to get their Christian Nationalist nonsense (and horrors) out. Progressives can have Bluesky, and that’s fine!
Well maybe what we should do is be an echo chamber. Every time you see a maga claiming blue sky is an echo chamber copy their post and paste it into a reply. Since it's an echo chamber it's going to take hundreds perhaps thousands of people to do it. But...
The solution to people not wanting to hang out with you isn’t to strong arm your way into their spaces it’s to work to become the kind of person other people want to spend time with. Not everyone is “your people” but if no one is it’s definitely a you problem.
It's the helpful advice of people who *want* us to succeed, but fear we will fade into irrelevance like conservatives did once they all flocked to Fox News. 🤔
The whole “echo chamber” thing is so disingenuous.
IMO, the reason the RW media and various RW commentators are crying about it, is that their viewer count will go down and as their accounts are monetised, they will lose income / influence. They hate not being important.
They don't like each other, they crave access to us because they get the engagement they need that they just don't get from their own group dynamic. Cutting them off really sent them into toddler like meltdowns.
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And I have read so much interesting stuff since I got here. It’s like being in the best library, the best literary salon and cocktail party.
I foresee a revisit from them on a "whole nutha level" 🤦
Perfectly said.
If someone wants to argue to me that... I don't know... trickle down economics works, sure, I'll talk about it.
If someone just wants to call me a man, I'm blocking them. Who I am is not up for debate
The right are in such an echo chamber they’ve convinced themselves that Elon is their friend.
It’s a bit like how good kids in class get in trouble for something small whereas the misbehaving children get away with a lot more.
I dunno, this might be nonsense
You (not you, Professor Gay, the *waves hands around generally* broader you) don’t get to decide for me or encroach on me in spite of my boundaries.
It's recycling early myths of the internet-as-liberation that techbros used to create a hero narrative of themselves.
If we’re not constantly listening to the worst, loudest, most hateful opinions, even in our relax time, it’s an echo chamber.
Let's have intelligent discourse without having to deal with these time wasting distractions.
But also yes, if we don’t associate with nazis etc. in person, why would we online?
There’s definite echoes of “terrible men are lonely; ladies, you should date them” in this bs
This weirdness that we’re “wrong” for saying we don’t want to hang out on a far right disinformation platform is ridiculous
IMO, the reason the RW media and various RW commentators are crying about it, is that their viewer count will go down and as their accounts are monetised, they will lose income / influence. They hate not being important.
I have found topics unrelated to politics on here. I can't say the same for the other platforms.