We have a relatively good, long-established K-8 Catholic school feeding into our public school system after 9th grade.
The partially-unspoken consensus is there's nothing special about Catholic school kids, the education appears no better, they have no discernible advantage in 9th grade here.
Yes, the entirety of any advantage seems tied to the same advantage any group of wealthier students would have in a public school. A calm, resource-filled childhood with minimal stresses is causal to better ability to learn.
Catholic schools are willing to take these parent's money, though
Nuns work for free folks. The Church gets the vast majority of the money. Never forget Nuns are servants who can be thrown out on their asses onto the streets with nothing anytime they say no.
Because they are greedy and also want to buy a bigger house, boat or car from the voucher savings. Does anyone in the top 10% really need vouchers & money that takes away from the other 90%? I think NOT!!! 🤬🤬🤬
This follows the same logic of anti-hand out republicans who immediately accept government bailouts and pandemic era government payments. They espouse beliefs they don’t actually follow or believe in.
The churches & rich parents should be fully funding these schools! Not public funding!! 😡🤬better yet, just do away with them if they can't function without public $$.
It is simple, the Republicans do not care about education. They want to funnel money from public schools to private to help the elite and keep the poor less educated.
Why can't churches take on the duty of teaching religion? If they transfer that responsibility onto schools then they should be TAXED for creating that burden.
They don’t, and they’ll raise tuition by the same amount as the stipend to “maintain the demographics of our population”, or some other doublespeak bullshit.
That was my thought on the matter. And expecting public schools to accept private school kids to their athletic programs?? WTF? Start your own sports programs, you certainly have the $$$$.
Because they’re Dominionists who don’t mind if the Catholics lose their money- just trying to pave the way for Evangelicals probably. There’s a reason why our OK Republican AG (who is the only Republican in Oklahoma with a drop of sense left) is against St. Isidore’s school- it’s unconstitutional.
They are cutting into education budgets. They should fund themselves, I feel the same about religious schools in Canada. Universal eduction that is accessible and excellent is what is really needed.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Separation of Church and State
The Collective is Autonomous
Public Schools are for ALL
The People
Religious Schools are Private and for “Personal” held beliefs
You want Private
You Pay
The People’s Tax Dollars are for Public Schools Only
Maybe that is because Conservatives are projectionists. The churchies were and are molesting children, so they shame their patrons to not do it (what they are doing behind their parents backs).
But then the parents of raped little boys, protect the priests that raped them and threatened parents.
oh yes, it's only one step above what's already routinely done to kids. I think that the conservative christian sexual messaging to kids is low key sexually abusive in itself, in part because it enables molesters to hide easier by silencing the victims
Support the Freedom from Religion group - fighting to keep religion out of our government and away from using our tax dollars on religious schools & programs. Believe what you want, but don’t use tax money that comes from people of every background that may not support it.
Just like: if your religion is so good and true, why can't you convince adults to join or stay and instead have to indoctrinate children who don't know any better?
Not fair. The same thing could be said about almost any school. I don't support funding religious schools, but suggesting that they aren't good is a cheap shot. Sounds kind of Trumpish.
I put 8 of my adopted/foster kids in a small Catholic school for one reason only. They didn't get bullied and shamed for their situations. It was only pre-K to 6th grade and by then they were strong enough for PS. I paid the tuition but did not join the church. It was my choice, my money, my kids.💖
I ran out of room. My point was I did not have a problem paying for both public school taxes and private tuition so my kids could learn to feel safe until they could face the public school kids. I did not then, nor do I now feel like private schools should get public funding. It's a choice I made.💖
Hi, I work in a public school district. Our republican led house told our superintendents that any attempt to introduce accountability to charter and private schools is a "non-starter." They won't even entertain the notion, instead, simply saying "The parents will hold them accountable."
Ironically, in the OK case is the fool who runs the public school system is trying to indoctrinate kids with Protestant Christianity, so funding a Catholic alternative for the "True Christians" might be justified. The obvious answer is no religion in public schools.
The Catholic school
I went to was better
funded then the public schools.
I'm not a Catholic but had a choice of
public or seperate
school as the department of defense was paying
as we had school only as far as grade
8 and were bussed
to town.
The difference in the 2 was night and day.
Walters wants all schools to be religious schools. If SCOTUS doesn’t shut him down, that’s what we’ll have, and we will lose our children to Christian nationalism fascists.
Check out Indiana's attempt to educate disabled children using a church run program. It's getting tax dollars because the Lt Governor says it's the church's responsibility to educate and care for the disabled,
I had 16yrs of Catholic education none paid for or subsidized by the government because I grew up in a time where you were responsible We got donations from church members and had classes of 60 but our parents did expect government subsidies
I was just thinking about this. They just want the tax $$ cuz they can’t make a profit on their own with the product they’re offering. Why should I pay for that? It’s like corporate welfare, except with “righteousness”
#WelfareForTheWealthy
They eventually raise the rates when they get public funding putting it out of the reach of the underserved but still subsidizing the rich.
It’s just a way to drain public school funds and hurt the public schools.
Because the rich want to brain wash their kids and have the property tax payers pay for it. 2 good friends of mine spent time in catholic school in high school says the drugs are still there and the girls are just as promiscuous .
They need the money from the atheists, the buddhists, the jews, the muslims and who god knows else, in order to finance their religious fanaticism.
To finance their religious fanaticism against all those who finance them.
They don’t. Rich people just want us to help pay the tuition for their kids private schools. And guess what, none of these private schools will take any child for just the value of a voucher. Not a one.
It doesn't, but siphoning resources away from public schools to the point of forcing students into their school's loving indoctrinations is very much something they support. The more, the better.
Catholic schools are some of the best schools in the country I went K-8th grade then went to public for high school public schools were teaching in 9th grade what we learned in 5th. I paid $1,500 a year to send my 2 sons there back in the 90's they teach respect and honesty.
If public schools were properly funded and administered (as they are in Finland) to be truly excellent, who other than oligarchs would send their kids to an expensive private school?
And I was just thinking about all those school vouchers for private schools. People have a problem funding Headstart, which is for low income families, which is one of the best programs, but have no problem, giving out handouts to people who don’t need them. I’m a substitute teacher.
(Me in my white 🗑️ evangelical voice) “Look at me! I matter too! We need fed $ for mega church (property tax free) that sits empty most of the week and we have to pay to water all the grass that nobody walks on.”
“We can’t recruit teachers within our congregation because we don’t pay livable wages.”
Yup. In their minds, they are the true heirs/citizens of the nation (and of heaven, which they must usher in, obvi). This means all things have always belonged to them, so it's right for them to take $, power, status, etc. from evil/lesser/unchosen ones in order to usher in their idea of heaven. 🫠
Sure, plenty just use the religious rhetoric because it's expedient for any number of things rather than being true believers, but there are a lot of true believers too. And what they believe is twisted (it's like the opposite of basic Bible teaching on generosity, mercy, etc.).
Yup. And that's 🗑️ according to many Christians who say that same book says tell about Jesus, but don't whine when you're rejected- instead become more giving, humble, joyful, kind, etc. without expecting wealth, safety, or admiration in return... No excuses, no exceptions, ×♾️ until you die.
Agreed. So much more than education happens within our public schools. The buildings and fields are used by the community for sports and activities. We need to support them more, not rip funding away from them.
Taxing churches is a very very bad idea unless you want churches to become lobbying organizations and throwing the book at immoral democrats for their Evil ideologies and indoctrinations! If you think maga is bad whoa NELLY be careful very very careful what you wish for! A NEW INQUISITION ANYONE?
Because churches aren’t taxed, just so pastors can have 3 Ferraris and a 29k square ft mansion ? Why pay for thee, when they can pay for me??? And now they can pay for schools to indoctrinate kids to pay for me more. Signed, every fricken religious leader.
Here in Florida, they use the public funds to expand the schools, so they can get hundreds of more students in and obtain more monthly subscriptions. Then they raise tuition, because now that they are larger, “the education has increased”. 😆
I see the logic: People paying taxes for services they don't use, in this case, religious vs public schools. In the same vein, if a person never had children, ever, then they shouldn't have to pay for that service similar to those w/o cars paying for toll roads.
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The partially-unspoken consensus is there's nothing special about Catholic school kids, the education appears no better, they have no discernible advantage in 9th grade here.
Catholic schools are willing to take these parent's money, though
Except we all know that's not how conservatives think. It's all about public risk and private profits.
https://bsky.app/profile/thcarter123.bsky.social/post/3lo2dndozt223
The Collective is Autonomous
Public Schools are for ALL
The People
Religious Schools are Private and for “Personal” held beliefs
You want Private
You Pay
The People’s Tax Dollars are for Public Schools Only
#TaxChurches
But then the parents of raped little boys, protect the priests that raped them and threatened parents.
And if the people want it open, they can ROLL TITHE.
I went to was better
funded then the public schools.
I'm not a Catholic but had a choice of
public or seperate
school as the department of defense was paying
as we had school only as far as grade
8 and were bussed
to town.
The difference in the 2 was night and day.
They eventually raise the rates when they get public funding putting it out of the reach of the underserved but still subsidizing the rich.
It’s just a way to drain public school funds and hurt the public schools.
It's so strange that the alleged party of personal responsibility wants me as a taxer to pay for their kids' religious education.
Are we the only ones who know separation between church and state !
They need the money from the atheists, the buddhists, the jews, the muslims and who god knows else, in order to finance their religious fanaticism.
To finance their religious fanaticism against all those who finance them.
Cause there is no god!
At least not like that!
100 Corrupt Acts
How does he do it, you ask?
In a word, volume!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=TxNkDv_aErkbm3cj&v=HWSl_B_RtBY&feature=youtu.be
Do you know how much liability insurance for Catholic Schools costs these days?
“We can’t recruit teachers within our congregation because we don’t pay livable wages.”
high quality education was never their goal.
It's the Christo-Grifters who own them.