I don’t understand how there’s any debate about whether to characterize them as Nazis when they’re out here sieg heiling. It’s an absolute failure of messaging not to name and condemn this behavior, and build a narrative around it.
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for real, it seems suboptimal if we have to wait for millions do die first before we can start referring to the ppl who idolize the group that killed millions by the same name
From their methods to their propaganda to their imagery to their ideology and rhetoric, the Trump regime are Nazis through and through. These people are laughing in the Oval Office over which Hitler speech is their favorite while the media says things like "hmm that's a curious hand gesture".
Yeah, people are afraid to call it what it clearly is, because acknowledging It means also acknowledging that people around us are embracing a fascist regime on its way to totalitarianism.
If the media actually called everything out for what it is the fascists would have a hell of a lot harder time doing anything because the people would be more aware of it. This both-sidesing they're doing is utterly fucking us and is inexcusable.
I 100% disagree with people who treat t these actions as “a distraction.” I think it’s essential for people to understand the context in which policies are unfolding, and the context is an unabashed revival of Nazism.
And yes, the US has its own evil history to draw on when it comes to segregation and annihilatory politics, but these men are invoking the Nazis *themselves*. Given the place that Nazis hold in the popular imagination, this warrants a lot of emphasis.
And those histories have always been interconnected, not in competition! (In terms of the ways US policy and colonialism influenced the Nazis in Europe of course, and also Nazis are bound up with US history at home, too.)
One of my favorite things about the growing secular homeschool community is that many of us teach our kids this stuff early on, zinn ed informs our social studies, we raise kids who are informed from the very beginning.
My kid is growing up to be suspicious of people like Musk, not to glorify him.
I was reluctant about this for a long time bc of what you say--America has its own fascism, it doesn't need to important--but you're totally right. They're the ones performing Nazism. They're the ones trying to revive it.
Rachel Maddow did a great podcast/book called Prequel, that talks about, in detail, exactly how we did this before and exactly how it was buried in history.
I learned in school how awesome Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh were, what great Americans they were, not the great damage they did.
Exactly. I'm Canadian, so not subject to the same propaganda. I learned about Ford's Nazism from a high school teacher, but it wasn't on the curriculum. He just thought we should know.
I think the "don't swing at every pitch" people are suffering from a failure of imagination.
It's all a "Xanatos Gambit". They win if we don't swing, and they get a free victory. They win if we swing & miss, making it look like we over reacted to a joke.
Just putting this out there…I don’t think the term Nazi bothers them so much. Mockery seems to do the job though…from the UK I propose the term ‘wankers’…because a) they are and b) they’d have no clue how to respond
Well I think it’s a) hard to miss the ‘threat’ given its material and visceral manifestation and b) if recent events and their nature have eluded ‘others’ there’s a good chance they would endorse what’s going on anyway…that or they are barely sentient. This is not complex…
Evidently it WAS hard to miss back in November.
Which is making it so much harder to try to preserve the republic now.
(Yes, I find it mind-boggling that it was easy to miss in November, but even I am stunned by actual Nazi salutes & the gleeful speed at which they're wrecking the fed govt).
Your message suggests you think it was missed…even a cursory read of Adorno would suggest that it wasn’t missed at all…not just by the c.80 million that chose the administration the US now enjoys but also by the c.?80m who chose not to express an opinion either way…not voting is an ‘act’ after all
Clarification…the possibility ‘it wasn’t missed at all’ at the very least exists…and through not voting what was a possibility came to pass and…we are where we are
…short of getting Trump and his mouth breathing followers to complete an adapted version of Adorno’s 52 item questionnaire it couldn’t be more clear…and here’s the thing…HE/THEY don’t care. However, time after time it’s been shown that mockery has a rather profound effect.
We’ve cultivated this idea for years that a false accusation of racism is the worst thing that can happen to someone and that played right into the hands of these “edgy” plausible deniability nazis
It's Denial and Cowardice. Media outlets think they need to control the narrative in order to maintain the teaspoon of advertisers they have left. Anything upsetting or factual that may lead someone to make hard decisions gets suppressed.
The reason is that the owners of big-circulation newspapers and big-audience websites are *afraid* of Trump/DOGE illegal reprisals if they don't soft-peddle newsworthy things that Trump/DOGE dislikes.
they certainly are nazis as the back radical tradition recognized the german nazis were colonial chickens coming home to roost. the fascist glee with which both parties celebrate the holocaust in gaza shows that to be true in our time as well.
this means that our survival depends not on bringing the fascists who call them selves liberals back into power in the bourgeois dictatorship. we need to keep our eyes on the prize of social transformation.
Exactly. And the MSM needs to preface every story about Trump’s and Elon’s menacing authoritarian acts as either illegal, unconstitutional, or both instead of normalizing them. There’s nothing normal about Nazis and a fascist takeover of our country.
Some people recognized this situation back in 2016, if the rest of the population had reacted as forcefully we wouldn't be where we are today. Look up DisruptJ20.
The neoliberal formulation of "just following orders" is "gotta make a living somehow." And under the guise of having to have a job and the banal observation that all jobs suck, it becomes easy to further rationalize this behavior under such excuses as "reform the system from the inside."
One hundred thousand percent agree!!! By not calling them out as the Nazis they are we make it too comfortable for “non-racist” Republicans to continue supporting them.
I only know one news outlet that called it a nazi salute.
Almost all used a qualifier like “alleged” or some such nonsense.
It’s disgusting how corporate media is so castrated.
Who is going to call them out? The media? Capitalist propaganda outlets. Democrats? Right wing allies of the capital class. Republicans? The voters are either too stupid to know better or are Nazis, and the politicians are Nazis.
but then people from the NYT might get sued, and everyone knows they don’t have lawyers, and really it’s up to the public to discern what is and isn’t a Nazi because they’ve been historically great at that 50/50
- a citizen journalist I argued with because I think journalists should be not cowards
My friends would say "No no, if people think that they're stupid. You haven't done anything wrong." but it DOESN'T MATTER.
The 2-3 people who commented to whom I could explain myself is one thing but I have no way of knowing how many people saw it and felt unsafe or EMBOLDENED. Fuck that.
Our silence enables the Fash. Their nazi salutes are a mic check testing our fear, tolerance, and resolve. The streets and public squares should echo with our calls for unity, solidarity and resistance.
They don’t mind being Nazis out loud because there’s no consequences
If the media makes it clear they are Nazis, the ones not paying good attention will get it
And those paying enough attention knew they were Nazis before all the seig heiling, so they've really gone above and beyond telling on themselves, and people still shout that the emperor had clothes.
How they are called does not matter.
Getting them to agree they have been Very Naughty is lower on my list than removing them from the place they can do harm.
Indeed - it needs to be called out. Just as people need to stop trying to find some 'middleground' with this government. Nazis will leverage anything they have - the only way is to cut them off completely. This coddling the UK is doing is completepy pointless.
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It’s not complicated.
They filled MSG in NYC.
See a Nazi?
Beat the shit out of them.
Get angry.
https://youtu.be/92yvndW6kgk?si=7pR4TOBeLU7823GG
https://bsky.app/profile/idiokratie.bsky.social/post/3lg7dfrnufz22
What is an actual _threat_ - some maga jerk doing arm gestures or Commissar Cave Sub switching off Starlink for Ukraine to help Russia in the war? You have one guess.
https://youtu.be/3Wa5QZ-_aEA?si=5VpJZPO961b8BBdJ
My kid is growing up to be suspicious of people like Musk, not to glorify him.
I learned in school how awesome Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh were, what great Americans they were, not the great damage they did.
It's all a "Xanatos Gambit". They win if we don't swing, and they get a free victory. They win if we swing & miss, making it look like we over reacted to a joke.
We need to make hits. Make them work.
Which is making it so much harder to try to preserve the republic now.
(Yes, I find it mind-boggling that it was easy to miss in November, but even I am stunned by actual Nazi salutes & the gleeful speed at which they're wrecking the fed govt).
They don’t like being called weird, they don’t like being called fascists or authoritarian or anti-freedom.
But they really love being called nazis which is just fucking weird.
It's calling them what they are so other ppl can have that shared reference and know what's happening and respond accordingly.
We can still call them weird to watch them squirm and protest over that, too.
Call them things they don’t like.
it sucks
https://giraffe-vanilla-e9ae.squarespace.com/home/maga-the-white-nationalist-movement
Almost all used a qualifier like “alleged” or some such nonsense.
It’s disgusting how corporate media is so castrated.
Who are you expecting to say something?
- a citizen journalist I argued with because I think journalists should be not cowards
It was NOT a nazi tattoo. Absolutely not.
But I did get the odd comment of people thinking it looked like one.
So I got it covered up. Cause how not-nazi can you be if you DON'T CARE if people think you're a nazi??
The 2-3 people who commented to whom I could explain myself is one thing but I have no way of knowing how many people saw it and felt unsafe or EMBOLDENED. Fuck that.
https://muse.jhu.edu/pub/60/article/669919
If the media makes it clear they are Nazis, the ones not paying good attention will get it
We now have two choices. Live free or kneel to your MAGA king like a slave.
Color? Gender? Race? Immigrant? Rural? Urban? Worker? Boss? Poor? Rich? Red? Blue? Your flag is one of these.
I know which one is mine.
Getting them to agree they have been Very Naughty is lower on my list than removing them from the place they can do harm.
Believe your eyes!
If there is 1 nazi at a table of ten.
There are 10 Nazis!
You are living in Fascism!