I mean it's not like they aren't shooting for the stars, given that they also claim the profits from AI will be shared simply because the tech is "built in the collective knowledge of humanity." No writer got paid when they trained the LLMs on our work, mind you. - ThreadSky

doctorvive.bsky.social • 12 days ago

I mean it's not like they aren't shooting for the stars, given that they also claim the profits from AI will be shared simply because the tech is "built in the collective knowledge of humanity."

No writer got paid when they trained the LLMs on our work, mind you.

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cahodk.bsky.social•12 days ago

🙃

wilhelmgere.bsky.social•9 days ago

Oh, like the recent release of whatsit, stolen works from practically every English author I could mention, and none of them got a dime from it, or gave permission.

https://bsky.app/profile/wilhelmgere.bsky.social/post/3lkvk4huwq22o

aldonanana.bsky.social•12 days ago

It’s honestly kind of bleak that their utopian vision of the future is basically like, “everything looks the same except I’m on vacation more!”

doctorvive.bsky.social•12 days ago

And there are flocks of drones everywhere bringing you your Amazon packages and your skinny-making "star pills."

aldonanana.bsky.social•12 days ago

Wow just imagine! 🤩🤩🤩

aldonanana.bsky.social•12 days ago

They just sound like Elon Musk..

https://bsky.app/profile/aldonanana.bsky.social/post/3ll2ffcyjas22

tworooks.bsky.social•12 days ago

why does everyone drone on about SAF when heating oil is 3x and solvable with existing engineering?

catbirdmeows.bsky.social•9 days ago

To the tech bro 'innovator' types, developing lab-scale solutions are much more exciting and much less of a headache, because heaven forbid we need to actually design good policy.

Unfortunately for us...

tworooks.bsky.social•9 days ago

Yeah, outsourcing the economic transition to gilet-noir VC’s chasing speculative ‘alpha returns’ isn’t working, but left-green is also hopeless at putting a business plan together to show how a policy pays for itself with some public roi.

catbirdmeows.bsky.social•9 days ago

I personally believe that identifying high-priority targets that can be addressed by implementing existing technology and investment into implementation would be greatly helpful. Unfortunately, everyone is much, much more interested in large-scale narratives and solutions for everything.

doctorvive.bsky.social•12 days ago

But back to climate. How are they going to grapple with and dismiss the research on desalination, vertical farming, and "green fuels"?? I almost can't watch.

doctorvive.bsky.social•12 days ago

But maybe they'll say we can do all this and still phase out fossil fuels??? Oh let's see...

doctorvive.bsky.social•12 days ago

Ok I've finished the intro, and I'll say that, weirdly, there's part of this that reminds me of the degrowth agenda (the REAL one, the one that recommends rerouting production to meet human needs).

karluchipa.bsky.social•11 days ago

okay keep posting, but it's a bit odd when a review of a book starts before the end of an intro.

doctorvive.bsky.social•8 days ago

It wasn't a review?

bryceyoungquist.bsky.social•8 days ago

all you really need to know is the book holds up Elon Musk as a beautiful advertisement for what's possible through public/private partnerships.

what a difference a year makes, eh

karluchipa.bsky.social•8 days ago

aside from the evil doings and hypocrisy of Musk, that bit is true.

thierryaaron.bsky.social•12 days ago

Reminds me of this...

"In this conjuncture, FALC claims to offer a future of hope, but it is a hope based on a succession of technological coinflips"

https://www.societyandspace.org/articles/fully-automated-luxury-communism-a-manifesto-by-aaron-bastani

doctorvive.bsky.social•12 days ago

They praise that book in their Introduction!

thierryaaron.bsky.social•12 days ago

Giorgos Kallis turns the logic on its head.

"Only by limiting ourselves the world appears as abundant, and we can limit only by sharing the commons in common"

https://youtu.be/VT0nVFRn6B4

blueknight1999.bsky.social•12 days ago

SOLAR Wind and battery power are now the cheapest, safest energy sources around. No Nuclear Risk. No oil pollutants and no global warming.

johnj4climate.bsky.social•12 days ago

I was trying to think of what this reminded me of and,
oh yeah...

welcome2absurdia.bsky.social•12 days ago

This looks 🎯🎯🎯

benjgeo.bsky.social•12 days ago

At least this book acknowledged technology won't be deployed to meet human needs under capitalism.

jgilligan.org•12 days ago

Ezra Klein interviewing Kristen Ghodsee about connections between Klein's abundance doctrine, Bastani's FALC, and Ghodsee's thoughts about how abundance will bring the end of heteronormative monogamy and the nuclear family.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/09/podcasts/ezra-klein-podcast-transcript-kristen-ghodsee.html

jgilligan.org•12 days ago

As to FALC, it feels to me like it follows pretty directly from Marx's own technology-drives-history ideas, especially as he expressed them in The German Ideology.

enough-mag.bsky.social•8 days ago

I really enjoyed this review, which doesn't mention degrowth specifically, but gets at the environmental contradictions at the heart of the #Abundance agenda: https://frontiergroup.org/articles/the-problems-of-abundance/

miriparhelion.bsky.social•10 days ago

Are there any books or writers you recommend on degrowth? I'm interested but the essays I've read about it have had a green austerity or Club of Rome feel to them.

wiese2154.bsky.social•12 days ago

Will A.I. measure inferiority in some new way? I’m trying to figure out if they are soft pedaling toward communist authoritarianism or Eugenic Nazi authoritarianism. One is very idealistic (in a very bad way) the other is bent on using junk science as an excuse for killing lesser people—also no good

wiese2154.bsky.social•12 days ago

They aren’t wrong about some things: the roots of the housing crisis are rich homeowners protecting the value of their properties by keeping the rental units from being built (restrictive zoning). Liberals do need to look at themselves because many of those homeowners are self-interested liberals.

wiese2154.bsky.social•12 days ago

People want the trains to run on time. We can’t build a rail-line or even upgrade an existing rail line without a frenzy of anti-progress “progressives” screaming about God knows what endangered species will be harmed. I love snail darters, but fuck them if Trump is the alternative.

wiese2154.bsky.social•12 days ago

Can you really claim that you want to fight poverty when you also want the poor to live somewhere you don’t live? And we all love our vacations that can take us half a world away while we pontificate about saving the planet from fossil fuels. Paradigms do die hard.

edinburghxr.bsky.social•12 days ago

That last assertion re. flying vac. particularly shocking when 65% of so-called sustainable aviation fuel is kerosene 👀

wrux.bsky.social•12 days ago

As far as I can tell this seems to be based on a yogurt commercial

clonalantibody.bsky.social•12 days ago

Here is a good thread on AI from a current clusterfuck perspective
https://bsky.app/profile/skiles.bsky.social/post/3lkwbunaatk25

quietecho.bsky.social•12 days ago

Oh yeah employers gonna be “sure take your regular salary but work 30 hours and enjoy your 4-day weekends” not “we expect you to do even more since the robots are really doing your job for you” while unemployment hits 20%

zbk.bsky.social•12 days ago

Even if we pretend that this wonderfuel were a real thing, wouldn't all these extra trans-Atlantic flights offset any gains?

jefrir.bsky.social•12 days ago

We've had some very impressive increases in productivity over the last few decades, and somehow this has failed to result in a shorter work week. But I'm sure THIS time it'll work out...

wrux.bsky.social•12 days ago

I have a side question about this, green fuel nonsense aside. What do they think we all do for work that AI is going to multiply our creativity? Most of us (Klein excepted of course) can’t get by with hack writing and have to actually do something human for a living

climatedaily1.bsky.social•12 days ago

None of this rings true in the Trump era. Top drawer technological determinism.

germhuntermd.bsky.social•12 days ago

delulu

drleonblack.bsky.social•12 days ago

Tech bros are well known for their collectivist altruism. /s

xanlopez.xyz•12 days ago

I mean, it makes sense that the profits from AI would be widely shared, since it's definitely the first thing ever built "on the collective knowledge of humanity".

decmusicology.bsky.social•12 days ago

I mean.... right now, they can't even get the AI companies to spring for compensation for copyright holders, who are only a tiny subset of the contributors to all human knowledge

doctorvive.bsky.social•12 days ago

lol that was funny

czedwards.bsky.social•12 days ago

That is a level of grift/delusion comparable with claims to be Anastasia Romanov.

mrchompchomp.bsky.social•12 days ago

I remember reading articles by futurists way back in the seventies. They predicted a 25 hour work week due to all the automation that was coming on line.

We got the automation …