If these men had any sense of honor, they would already have resigned. The fact that they are all still in their jobs is just as damning as their terrifying and lawless incompetence.
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What's also distressing is these juveniles act like the action they're taking is a video game. Texting victory emojis, congratulating themselves, etc. without any realization that attacking and killing people, regardless of their misdeeds or allegiance, is serious business with serious consequences
I’m sorry you and your son are going through what could be a freaking nightmare. Maybe he could say he’s gay and get out of the services. Because he will only ever be fighting for Trump, not America. I only hope that anyone considering enlisting stops.
He’s determined to serve his country and I’m proud of him for that. I can only trust that the Navy leadership closer to him actually do know what they’re doing and the incompetence at the top does NOT trickle down.
And no one in Trump’s administration is held accountable. Wailing and wringing hands, we allow them to continue their behaviors! Seriously , their leader is a convicted felon many times over, but he is still the president and calling the plays. I’m so tired of all of this chaos.
We have never been more vulnerable or weak to our allies and our enemies. This country has never been more unsafe. The incompetence will only embolden the nefarious and it can only lead to the loss of life. The more the incompetence comes to light, the more they will attempt to silence our voices.
This is what happens when the billionaire oligarghs are calling the shots. Markets are doing OK. It'll all blow over in The Divided States of America... until it all comes crashing down.
The Trump cabinet officials like Hegseth, Walsh, Gabbard involved in the Signal chain should have been immediately fired & criminal investigations commenced.
The hypocrisy on display will already have an alarming knock on effect on the frontline US military service people and allies.
How about putting some prerequisites on becoming President like having a university degree (like Turkey does) or having held previous federal offices like House Rep or Senator?
I know JD fits that bill but it would've prevented the orange demagogue from 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 holding the office.
This is also what happens when adult children are given the same rights as fully functioning adults.
MAGAts shouldn't be voting or holding public office. They are demonstrably incapable of distinguishing between fantasy and reality and of making rational, adult decisions.
They broke the #1 law of security! The principle of least privilege - a security concept that restricts users & applications to only the permissions necessary to perform their tasks, minimizing the risk of unauthorized access & potential security breaches. #FireHegseth
Tim, you are describing my favorite new word. Kakistocracy. This incident is an example of Kakistocracy in action. An even more perfect example will be the gaslighting that turns it into a nothingburger.
I’m actually surprised it took about a month after their confirmation. Well, maybe we don’t know other instances but I’m sure it’s a matter of a week or two until the next big scandal.
Even incompetent fascists can do a lot of damage. Given their hubris ("the greatest", "only we"), it is quite within the bounds of possibility that they will start WWWIII whether unwittingly or, quite likely, wittingly for Lebensraum.
If they conducted this magnitude of comms outside mandatory channels, they are likely avoiding them for most discussions. That suggests not just carelessness, but criminal intent.
Clearly they have criminal intent. Some are already criminals. Some adjudicated, others not. If they are having high level military strategy talks on Signal, god only knows what they send on Telegram and DOES ANYONE USE A SCIF ANYMORE?
I think we can pretty much bet on that.
The approach to all of this, not only from the players themselves 😳 is an entire GOP shrugging shoulders and saying "no harm no foul".
Breaking federal laws is completely OK, just don't get caught.
That's the message.
Attack, deny, ALWAYS claim victory.
Hypocrisy at its worst and what is going to be done about it?? Anyone?? Let’s never forget, “oh but her emails!!” Lock them up! Peoples lives are in danger when they do shit like that
Yet the responses are all about following norms. "Any other administration they would have already resigned." "If this had been Biden, Republican Congress critters would have been screaming through the roof!"
But it's not. And they're not. STOP ACTING LIKE PEOPLE WILL FOLLOW NORMS! THEY WON'T!!
As I've learned from reading your books as well as those of Anne Applebaum, incompetence is normal in authoritarian regimes. Promote people based only on loyalty and keep them pitted against each so that no one person other than the leader has power.
Prizing loyalty above competence puts the entire planet in danger.
The Trump regime lacks competence, by design, as their unflinching loyalty to Trump and lust for power are their core values. Any sense of humility or responsibility these individuals may have once had is gone.
On top of that, it's what happens when you gut all infrastructure and safeguards. There's no one to hold them accountable.
They're also talking on Signal for a reason... because they don't want their words to be archived.
What about our reps response? Outrage and letters i suppose. Do they think that helps in an administration that ignores court orders? Why did these people take the job if their plan is letters and outrage for a coup/treason? Unbelievable.
Donald doesn’t care about honor or truth. He only responds to what he perceives as strength. He believes shoving a lie down the throat of the American ppl is the only way to win and show strength. Nobody will resign now take responsibility. That would show weakness to Donald.
If there was any goodwill left for the US from the world, it must be most certainly gone now. They have demonstrated beyond a doubt that the United States cannot be trusted with anything, especially classified information.
These are honorless cowards that pursue power above all else. Hegseth will never resign, and will defer all blame, because he's a no-account clown, just like his shitty boss. The only way they leave is by removing them.
Absolutely correct. They have no honour nor either they patriots. They’re part of this administration solely for the power and the wealth they can get from doing so.
More than most, you’ll appreciate that this is a long game the fascists appear to be winning. The Courts are so far impotent, the insanity increases as pushback proves ineffective (or completely absent), and democracy is circling the toilet bowl.
Sense of honor and Republicans in the same sentence is an oxymoron. These people have no honor, they're the worst that Humanity has to offer and all the people that voted for them and donated to them are the same the worst Humanity has to offer
They are still there because we have a lawless thug as President who just doesn't give a damn. This country is so fucked up now it's beyond pathetic. We have a Republican party who no longer values our Constitution and a felon in the WH and a Nazi POS. Well done, all you stupid ass felon voters. FU.
They have no honor. They are still in their jobs, digging in, and lying. Every single one needs to be removed. The propaganda spin machine, Trump, Leavitt and everyone else, is lying and deflecting. Trump set the stage for all of this and “normalized” all of it. They all need to go.
Can we preload our perspectives beyond the idea that there's any integrity, respect, ethics, morals, honor, or honesty with any of these people? If they had any, they wouldn't be there in the first place. Every person in this administration should be banned from public service, in prison, or dead.
Any country that shares sensitive intel with this administration is out of their freaking mind. I suggest they bait the stupid f*ckers with something fake and see how long it takes to get out.
How can they have a sense of Honour when they have not got a shred of honour at all.
One of the characteristics of Honour is Honesty of which they sorely lack as all they know are lies and falsehoods.
Without Honesty they lack integrity and a sense of Justice.
And trying to deflect on to the journalist, too. Hegseth is such a pussy. He displays NONE of the courage you typically ascribe to the men AND women of the American military.
None of these folks are firmly moored to anything they say. They simply parrot whatever position the boss says or that got them a thumbs-up from the FOX hosts the night before.
Fully without any shame in shifting viewpoints on the regular.
If they had any sense of honour they wouldn’t be anywhere near trump much less sucking up to him. Trustworthy ppl with any sense of what’s right would avoid him like the plague.
The Trump knows he lost to Biden because because Joe Biden was at the White House in Washington DC and Trump was at Mar A Lago posting lies about Joe Biden
The GOP and those who are affiliated under trump have no shame and no honor. Honor in that decor or died with John McCain. To be clear I have not witnessed any good from the GOP in my entire adult life and I’m a millennial.
Really, the worst one is Mike Johnson, IMHO. I mean he basically said that it's no big deal, so let's just move on. What a fucking moron. It's now time for the Democrats to start pushing to get him thrown out as Speaker. All they need is 4 GFP members.
A prerequisite for being on the Trump team is to have absolutely no integrity. Lots of data out there that substantiates this observation. Elect a mob boss, expect a crime syndicate.
Does not address root causes. Many in administration did not have proper security clearances, the policies and procedures are lax, many unqualified in their roles, who knows what instructions on official records/calls to be deleted. Requires a wholesale do-over. Never going to happen.
There is no honor, ethics, compassion, or sense of duty and obligation to the American people in the Republican Party.
They seek power & money.
Republicans are allied with Putin and fully expect the U.S. to follow in those footsteps.
Honor is a set of ideals one creates & adheres to, reflecting personal values.
Ideals include:
Honesty, truthful in words & actions; integrity, treating others with courtesy; courage, against odds; taking ownership of actions & their consequences; compassion to others.
These men are without honor.
While I agree with everyone else here, I‘m also very concerned about the content of what was said. #HillbillyVance is an extremely dangerous slick manipulator who has Trump’s ear. His rant against Europe is disgusting.
Who’s the moneyed creep behind him? Thiel? Russia? Is he another #RussianAgent?
What I would have expected by now, at least, is a statement from the Director of the FBI saying that they have launched an investigation. Is the FBI no longer responsible for investigating breaches of national security? J. Edgar would roll over in his grave! 😉
The Democratic senators who voted to approve their cabinet appointments are every bit as guilty. We SCREAMED at them not to let those clowns into the White House, and they ignored us
The fact that these cranks took the jobs in the first place despite their damning lack of expertise and morals already testifies to their honor. This is one of those many shocking but hardly surprising outcomes that continues to bedevil this administration.
Just heard something that resonated with me.
The Trump phenomenon is not because dumb people are getting dumber.
It’s because ‘smart’ people are dumber today.
I’ve been looking under the wrong rock for an explanation.
Still doesn’t explain Pete Hegseth though?
They all accepted a job from a rapist, White supremacist, and insurrectionist who stole classified docs, showed them to random people, and refused to give them back. By definition they have no honor.
They need to be branded with this traitorous recklessness for as long as they're in office.
ANY time they fuck up. This isn't a government. It's purely a criminal organisation. It is the only way to view this regime and be able to make sense of their actions. Most of what they have done either still IS, or recently WAS, a criminal act.
Yes. People are focusing on the fact that the reporter was on this group chat and not the fact that they were using an unsecure chat app to circumvent the conversation being put in the record.
Both of those things. I'm also talking about the eradication of historical references, the attacks on equality in the services, women's rights, the list goes on. Criminal and evil to the core!!
That’s why America in this mess you don’t see this as the democracy ending your country on fire and your just setting there saying somebody will put it out if I wait long enough
I can not square away how they've fired loads of DEI hires for 'not earning their positions', then immediately embarrassed themselves in front of the whole world (and continue to do so with their actions after they've been exposed) and they haven't resigned in disgrace. Or been fired!
U.S. National Security Morons Roster. Greatest Clear & Present Danger in America's History. Another banner for Trump! These idiots just discredited America's security measures and reliability to keep anything a secret. They should all be arrested and fired! MAGA IS AN EMBARRASSMENT!
#WEARETHEFLOOD
This is them adhering to the letter of Project 2025, where policy requires there is absolute avoidance of retention of any communications so that nothing can ever be subpoenaed. THIS IS HOW THE U.S. GOVERNMENT IS QUICKLY DISSOLVED INTO AUTOCRACY.
Honorable people would resign, would take responsibility for the egregious breach in NatSec, would apologize to men and women in uniform. Talk show hosts and real estate developers like Witkoff are unqualified.
Men and women. And sense of honor? That's laughable. What's left of honorable senators and congressional representatives have to push this to its rightful consequences.
Was Witkoff even on US soil while participating in the Signal chat? Did Hegseth copy/paste military strike plans, possibly by having classified info on an unclassified phone? Time to start impeaching. @repauchincloss.bsky.social @gallego.senate.gov @reptedlieu.bsky.social @moulton.house.gov
Honor?! It's 2025. We've known they're fascists for 9 years now. The fuck is this post??? RESIGN?! Brother are you smoking? Are we living on different planets?!
Truth is, they have no honor, pride or honesty. They know it was a major f-up and will lie their way out because perjury means nothing to them. trump will pardon the whole lot like the 1/6 insurrectionists.
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#signalgate
The hypocrisy on display will already have an alarming knock on effect on the frontline US military service people and allies.
#SignalGate
I know JD fits that bill but it would've prevented the orange demagogue from 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 holding the office.
MAGAts shouldn't be voting or holding public office. They are demonstrably incapable of distinguishing between fantasy and reality and of making rational, adult decisions.
Hoping they’ll stop using emojis in the meantime.
It is due to a society that consumes too much malarkey.
('Malarchs' makes a better epithet.)
If they conducted this magnitude of comms outside mandatory channels, they are likely avoiding them for most discussions. That suggests not just carelessness, but criminal intent.
The approach to all of this, not only from the players themselves 😳 is an entire GOP shrugging shoulders and saying "no harm no foul".
Breaking federal laws is completely OK, just don't get caught.
That's the message.
Attack, deny, ALWAYS claim victory.
48% of registered voters voted for Democrat Marianne Williamson.
43% of registered voters voted for Republican Joe Biden
0.1% of registered voters voted for Republican Donald Trump
But it's not. And they're not. STOP ACTING LIKE PEOPLE WILL FOLLOW NORMS! THEY WON'T!!
The Trump regime lacks competence, by design, as their unflinching loyalty to Trump and lust for power are their core values. Any sense of humility or responsibility these individuals may have once had is gone.
They're also talking on Signal for a reason... because they don't want their words to be archived.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html
In today's world, I can think of so many men...but I am guessing Hesgeth and friends.
Throw them out!!
They are doing what they can with limited tools they gave them
This should be call whiskey-leaks.
There will be unimaginable consequences if this continues, if not already on the way.
What a pathetic fall from grace America.
These are honorless cowards that pursue power above all else. Hegseth will never resign, and will defer all blame, because he's a no-account clown, just like his shitty boss. The only way they leave is by removing them.
just another example of Trump putting more lives at risk.
Every other piece of shit seems not so bad.
But I want to see the Dems having a damn sit-in if they need to.
https://www.kpbs.org/news/border-immigration/2024/08/29/american-citizens-smuggle-more-fentanyl-into-the-u-s-than-migrants-data-show
One of the characteristics of Honour is Honesty of which they sorely lack as all they know are lies and falsehoods.
Without Honesty they lack integrity and a sense of Justice.
they were hired by a felon who has done crimes his whole life, so i would think they would also be ok with doing crimes.
their actions show they are with the crimes
No character, no morals, no honor.
“ terrifying and lawless incompetence “
#Hegseth
1. Rubio
2. Hegseth
3. Gabbard
4. SM
5. Waltz
6. VD
7. Wiles
Fucking amateurs. Not one of them noticed when Goldberg left the chat. Why did Waltz have some messages set to disappear?
Are they able to be investigated in the next administration?
Silence is Complicity.
I've been doing all possible since June 16, 2015, and my Democrat Senator voted with Schumer, regardless of my input.
I will not obey. I will never forgive.
This shit is exhausting.
Fully without any shame in shifting viewpoints on the regular.
Remove them by ANY MEANS NECESSARY!!
https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/apps/a25736/signal-app-guide-how-to-use/
Trump should fire them, but that's not going to happen.
Republican lawmakers should be angry, but they're not.
Gross negligence is just the norm with Trump in the White House and the Republicans in control.
They seek power & money.
Republicans are allied with Putin and fully expect the U.S. to follow in those footsteps.
Accept that fact, then decide to fight back.
Of you get caught, lie, double-down lying, threaten, blame the victim(s).
Ideals include:
Honesty, truthful in words & actions; integrity, treating others with courtesy; courage, against odds; taking ownership of actions & their consequences; compassion to others.
These men are without honor.
They have zero “honor” or ethics. ABSOLUTELY NONE!
Who’s the moneyed creep behind him? Thiel? Russia? Is he another #RussianAgent?
Totally acted within the line of the Trump government policy.
Absolutely No Accountability.
It’s not a bug it’s a feature/ qualification for Trump team
The Trump phenomenon is not because dumb people are getting dumber.
It’s because ‘smart’ people are dumber today.
I’ve been looking under the wrong rock for an explanation.
Still doesn’t explain Pete Hegseth though?
They need to be branded with this traitorous recklessness for as long as they're in office.
(Allegedly) 🙄
… even assuming that Mr Goldberg had not been informed by mistake, but deliberately?
#WEARETHEFLOOD
Meanwhile, top Republicans in the house and senate are shrugging their shoulders
This is disgusting.
If the DEMS don't write Impeachment Articles for a dozen of these plants by the far right
we deserve what comes next
Schumer - Jefferies ????????????????
This is your moment
Don't b low it
We will have to wait for a new administration to jail every single one of them.