It was at 4% in February, up from 2.8% in January. Though the actual number in probably higher due to the homeless not being included in the unemployment numbers.
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and it'll probably get higher than that, fam. By firing a lot ov veterans, Elon has really made a big "mistake" (he always says it's an accident when he fucks up) that he will really regret.
I've always wondered how accurate they could be without that data, or knowing how many people have been working piecemeal gig jobs and not qualifying for traditional unemployment.
My husband was a self employed contractor who never seemed to qualify for unemployment insurance. Even though we paid into it every year at tax time. Same with Social Security.
If you’re at 100% you can’t get a job and they will reduce it to 80% if you get one. But at 100% you automatically qualify for social security disability too.
The "unemployment" numbers are really a misnomer. They count people who are actively looking for work whether they have a job or not. Not those who aren't or can't.
They do not have accurate numbers on homeless people.
They have been lying about unemployment numbers for at least 60 yrs.
You are counted as unemployed only if eligible for unemployment insurance. Worked enough hours earlier, able to work, and actively looking now. https://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#unemployed
Yep. And in the age of gig work, it’s even further from truth — because even if gig work dries up or you can’t do it anymore or you get banned from the platform, not eligible for unemployment. You don’t count.
So anyone who’s been doordashing or whatever to get by? Invisible to the statistics.
Worked with a few homeless families in early ed program. So many factors and obstacles. For most things including census you really need an address. Some shelters offer addresses some homeless have rented mail boxes otherwise it is really tough.
The way unemployment is calculated (everywhere in the world) is by surveying people and asking if they are employed or looking for work. If you are not looking (say, you are a homeless, a retired person, a student, or you left the workforce all together) you don’t count towards unemployment stats
There are different ways to count unemployment, but the most commonly cited is: people who do not have a job and are actively looking for work for at least 4 weeks.
People who are employed or seeking employment are in the unemployment statistics. People who are in neither category are considered to be not participating in the job market and are not counted. It can be argued that it is somewhere difficult and impossible to count the non-participants.
Actually, there is data on that. What you described in the first sentence is the U-3 data. U-6 data counts people under-employed and those who have lost hope and dropped out of the workforce - almost twice the U-3. We should use the U-6 data for a better measure.
No, that's inaccurate. It's supposed to represent the percentage of the workforce actively looking for work. So, a SAH parent or retiree (of any age) would not count, but unhoused looking for work would.
UE beneficiaries are part of that number, but not the entire number.
UE beneficiaries are only portion of those considered unemployed. New HS/college grads, people who quit their jobs (and therefore don't qualify for UE), SAH parents or retirees returning to the workforce, etc.
In 2022, only 26% of recently unemployed applied for benefits.
It may have changed without any media coverage but that was the case years ago. The last change I heard about was when Reagan included the military (including reserves who already had jobs) as employed in order to lower the unemployment figures.
Honestly, it's amazing we have numbers on the unhoused at all. Between constant cuts to funding sources and a general apathy to actually work to solve any issues that cause homelessness, I have a feeling those numbers will be even harder to find. Especially in Trump's America.
Uh no. People living in cars maybe. But No one is working. Some get volunteer jobs at the shelters or food lines but they have to be of sound mind, physically capable, etc. I've been out here helping the disabled homeless vets AMAP. Bcuz I need to help this misery around me. Most don't have id.
Most of my fellow homeless people need medical attention. And the others belong in a mental institute. FFS there's even a disabled down syndrome guy out here. Because y'all suck at picking politicians.
I was helping this one homeless lady who had kidney surgery. Changed her bandages, got her food,
I know Aus had the same issue with high rents. They were allowing tent communities which were great for families. The U.S. has made the tent communities illegal so people live in their cars with children, or a transient existence.
Yeah it's illegal here now to the point where people are getting fines by having a nap in their driveway. We definitely still have massively expensive rents and very unaffordable housing market. The if you're in the top 10% of earners you won't be eligible for mortgage in the capital cities.
That is heartbreaking. If we ever get out of this mess, with our country intact, I hope we can do something about the housing crisis. This is morally unacceptable.
Homeless are hard to track, obviously it means the homeless vet population is also difficult to track. People are under the impression Vets always want to be identified also, they don’t.
I'm a vet who volunteers at 2 charities that care for homeless vets. Both do NOT seek out homeless vets for any other reason but that THEY CARE & IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
I had the privilege of being the officer supervising Vets; orgs don’t have untapped money, frankly the grant funding is a bit more less, I wrote my grants. The second, is many vets refuse to identify, it’s a known problem.
It´s due to the definition of unemployed. A person is unemployed only if they do not have a job, but would like to have one (i.e., are seeking employment).
I think it’s actually slightly more nuanced. Someone who wanted to do paid work, didn’t do any paid work, and could have done paid work if it were available.
This. ^^. “unemployed” mean not currently working while seeking work. If you’re not both of those things — because you’re a homemaker, gave up, are underemployed but technically employed — then you’re not part of those numbers.
I'm a former CEO.
I'm Now a disabled homeless diabetic living out of a broken down car. I can articulate anything u want to know. Ask away.
Most homeless are disabled, mentally ill, alcoholics, drug addicts, ex cons, illegals, people fleeing warrants & the gay son u threw out of ur house.
After a certain point of being out of work, they just...stop counting you for some reason. The way we determine "unemployment" is absolutely batshit and a rabbit hole that you will need oxygen to get through.
People who have not "looked for work" in the past four weeks are not included as "unemployed" and therefore don't count toward the unemployment % that we see when people talk about unemployment rates, so our numbers are super fucky. https://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#concepts
Unemployment is an insurance program from payroll taxes to prevent people from becoming homeless. It doesn’t have the capabilities to address homelessness.
Technically you are only counted as unemployed if you are actively looking for a job. So if a homeless person is not working they are not necessarily unemployed.
I think the issue is really finding the homeless and those who are willing to participate in a government survey (source: I’ve volunteered at shelters and talked to many down to earth, grounded homeless ppl)
Once the benefits end, unemployed drop from those counted as "unemployed". This is historically why the numbers quoted are ALWAYS off, no matter the administration.
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At least that's the threat they made me. No idea if it's true.
I think it's actually only required every two years, but enough places conduct it annually.
And worse, maybe do something about them.
They have been lying about unemployment numbers for at least 60 yrs.
You are counted as unemployed only if eligible for unemployment insurance. Worked enough hours earlier, able to work, and actively looking now.
https://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#unemployed
So anyone who’s been doordashing or whatever to get by? Invisible to the statistics.
UE beneficiaries are part of that number, but not the entire number.
In 2022, only 26% of recently unemployed applied for benefits.
Also between 40-60% of unhoused are employed.
I was helping this one homeless lady who had kidney surgery. Changed her bandages, got her food,
The world we live in where you can have a full time god damn job and not be able to afford a fucking rent.
I'm genuinely surprised with how much bullshit people can take before guillotine comes out.
As if people wake up in the morning and say, "Gosh. I just don't have enough problems in my life."
Then a judge pointed out you can be born addicted.
Otherwise it'd be France c. 1789
There's so much untapped money for homeless vets available, every single one they can get on their rolls is like a guaranteed paycheck forever
First thing they all ask is "hey are you a veteran?"
You tell them no and they don't want you
Actually solving homelessness would put them out of a job. The conflict of interest is glaringly obvious
I'm Now a disabled homeless diabetic living out of a broken down car. I can articulate anything u want to know. Ask away.
Most homeless are disabled, mentally ill, alcoholics, drug addicts, ex cons, illegals, people fleeing warrants & the gay son u threw out of ur house.
https://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#concepts
So the homeless, retired and disabled people don’t get counted towards it.
Think of it as the number of active workers without jobs.
https://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#:~:text=Learn%20how%20the%20Bureau%20of%20Labor%20Statistics
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/vets/latest-numbers