France has added a 1.6 GW reactor to its grid after 17 yrs building. It will be taken off line shortly for repairs as discussed in the thread. In that time, the US added 191.8 GW of solar. After accounting for capacity factor (~25%) that's still 30x the capacity added. 🧪🔌💡☀️💨🔋 - ThreadSky

earthsciinfo.bsky.social • 76 days ago

France has added a 1.6 GW reactor to its grid after 17 yrs building. It will be taken off line shortly for repairs as discussed in the thread. In that time, the US added 191.8 GW of solar. After accounting for capacity factor (~25%) that's still 30x the capacity added. 🧪🔌💡☀️💨🔋

Reposted from Kees van der Leun

France's new nuclear power plant at Flamanville connected to the grid, 17 years after start of construction. The announced construction time back in 2007 was 4.5 years. www.reuters.com/business/ene...

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kotonoaware.bsky.social•76 days ago

But solar won't give me warm feelings of being a Hard Person who Makes Hard Choices Despite the Hippies' Crying.

(I was pronuke 15 years ago. Nowadays? That`s just econopolitical Onlyfans.)

stellajorette.bsky.social•76 days ago

The Hard Person stance seems popular among the pronuclear team in Australia. The group taking that stance is in part embedded in the fossil fuels industry, and they can be quite derogatory toward the Crying Hippies.

mariewalsh18.bsky.social•76 days ago

It's Already 'off-line' for REPAIRS 🤨🙄

earthsciinfo.bsky.social•76 days ago

👆Follow the thread by Kees above it provides additional important details such as the fact that the new nuclear plant is already scheduled to go offline in 2026 for repairs. https://www.bluewin.ch/en/news/french-pressurized-water-reactor-flamanville-connected-to-the-grid-2496156.html

earthsciinfo.bsky.social•76 days ago

“The French Court of Auditors had even estimated the costs at 19 billion in 2020. The French nuclear regulator has obliged EDF to replace the reactor's cover in 2026 after weak points were discovered in the steel.”

emassaut.bsky.social•76 days ago

It will go offline during the first planned outage (called “CV1” in French) for the first inspection after the first fuel cycle, as it was always planned.
And yes they will have extra works to replace the reactor cover, which might only make this outage slightly longer, that’s all!

earthsciinfo.bsky.social•76 days ago

My comparisons are based on data from EMBER. https://ember-energy.org/

earthsciinfo.bsky.social•76 days ago

And for wind, the US added 131.8 GW. With a capacity factor of 37% that also works out to 30.5x the capacity.

jello.net•76 days ago

And?

jello.net•76 days ago

spillanemj.bsky.social•76 days ago

I guess the obvious point is nuclear’s being outgunned by renewables everywhere

jello.net•76 days ago

Ah, mostly true. France does not have the resources we have, so they invested heavily into nuclear long ago. They will use it while moving to renewables, and they'll continue to do it faster than we will. I agree with the overall point... it was occluded by a poor comparison. 👍

johnnyvector.bsky.social•76 days ago

At 1/10 the price per average kW too!

earthsciinfo.bsky.social•76 days ago

Yes. Nuclear is too expensive to replace fossil fuels without government mandate.

cheetovoodo.bsky.social•76 days ago

We definitely live in the time where legacy energy producers and their OWNERS are fighting to hang on to their investment. Sort of like the buggy whip manufacturers of the early 20th century who knew they had no market with automobiles.

patb2009.bsky.social•76 days ago

China makes a better contrast as they have added a lot of nukes and solar and wind

earthsciinfo.bsky.social•76 days ago

That comparison works out about the same.

patb2009.bsky.social•75 days ago

But the numbers are bigger and the timeline shorter yet the ratio is still 30-1

earthsciinfo.bsky.social•75 days ago

China is building out much more solar and wind than nuclear. The trend is the same if the values are not numerically identical.

patb2009.bsky.social•75 days ago

Which gives the number more “weight “…I am looking forward to adding some more solar panels to my array and hopefully going grid neutral

butlerofdogs.bsky.social•76 days ago

Case closed

pjoshwilson.bsky.social•76 days ago

In the US the challenge is NIMBY and right wing politics. We're entering a political period where renewable incentives will probably be gutted. History (and South Korea) show us that nuke costs go down and speed goes up when construction is scaled. Put together, maybe nuke needs to be on the table.

lookbeyond2.bsky.social•76 days ago

IMO .. nuclear plants have always been an economical, maintenance, safety and environmental disaster.

ricyrick87.bsky.social•76 days ago

I see a lot of nuclear fans and I just shake my head, there is so much else that can be built up or invested in, but the allure of nuclear never goes away

loneskum123.bsky.social•76 days ago

From the perspective of the FF industry, the allure is clear. They take decades to build, they are fabulously expensive, and all that time you are burning coal and gas.

earthsciinfo.bsky.social•76 days ago

That is exactly right. Nuclear does not displace fossil fuels.

earthsciinfo.bsky.social•76 days ago

And billionaires love it because it eats public funds and costs tons to operate.

earthsciinfo.bsky.social•76 days ago

High rates mean lots of profits.

loneskum123.bsky.social•76 days ago

Especially when it is never completed, as a surprising number of reactors never are.

gsmannum.bsky.social•76 days ago

& that is EXACTLY what a Peter Dutton WILL do if Elected as PM in Oz & he don’t give a 💩about CC,most of their Party still thinks it’s a HOAX😡😡😡

arthurkroon.bsky.social•76 days ago

Hmm, considering the damage of fossile fuel and rare earth metal delving compared to nuclear i am not so sure which is the lesser of evil...

gsmannum.bsky.social•76 days ago

But Oz will build them in 10 years says a failed Qld Baker(Ted O’Brian)who is now the self appointed Nuclear expert in Oz.
We’ll build em Cleaner,Quicker & Cheaper says the baker & we have NO Nuclear Industry at all.
I think the Hallucinations from his “SPECIAL”Cookies have kicked in🤪🤪🤪

zjsimmons.bsky.social•76 days ago

Apparently China added 200+ GW in the last year.

earthsciinfo.bsky.social•76 days ago

Yes. Nuclear is too slow to address climate change or replace fossil fuels. It cannot compete with renewables without government mandate.

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