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Disturb the comfortable.
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What they value is brazen overconfidence, which they admire as conviction or swagger, but which in fact correlates very strongly with stupidity and arrogance.
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This sounds terrible — and it is terrible — but it makes sense when we accept that the United States is not a “normal” country by any of the standards we’d like to think it is.
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Then I hope you’ve seen this one, it’s a masterpiece
www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8FB8vum/
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Ren is such a phenomenal talent.
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Okay but without pointing the blame back at Republicans and insidious tech companies, what are the *tangible wins* that Democrats have scored for us?
Yes Republicans are worse, but at best (generously) it looks like Dems are slowing the bleed but incapable of stopping it.
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Stop being an idiot, Joe.
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How to spot a Hasbara troll farm account:
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Highly recommend Mondoweiss as well.
bsky.app/profile/mond...
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But they did fundraise and money launder $1B in 100 days, so by the most meaningful metric to the Party, the election was a smashing success.
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Jill Stein received <1M votes.
Kamala Harris lost around 8M votes compared to Biden 2020.
Third party voters were the least of Dems’ problems this year, but just like every time they lose, they’ll yell at scapegoats instead of learn real lessons to win.
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Why is it hard to understand that this person is right, Trump isn’t the President yet, and Biden and Harris are still responsible for what is happening right now?
ESPECIALLY after they brushed off their 30 day deadline for an arms embargo. Trump will have his turn but this is still the Biden show.
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I block racists like Annette on sight and y’all should too.
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Zionists came to Palestine as proud colonizers, they made no secret of this.
I’m just going to leave this here; we’re talking in circles and nothing else needs to be said.
youtu.be/FhlUFPpXIVo
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Colonization is a process where one group of people seizes another group’s territory and establishes their own society, excluding or exploiting the original inhabitants. Again, Palestinians are also descended from ancient Canaanites and Judeans. “Arab” is a cultural group more than an ethnicity. (2)
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It was a relative trickle before 1917.
And there is no definition of indigeneity that applies to European Jews but not to Palestinians whose families had been living in Palestine/Canaan for thousands of years, including during the time of the Jewish kingdoms. (1/2)
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Not the original Palestinian Jews, though. What’s the difference? The European Jews came as colonizers. Those are the ones they wanted to leave.
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This clearly says that they didn’t have a problem with Jews, they had a problem with colonizers.
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This is not an antiracist project.
It is a redirection of the racism suffered by European Jews.
This is not how justice works.
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And Zionism gave European antisemites an excuse to not confront antisemitism in their own countries. Many early Zionist supporters were antisemites who wanted to rid their countries of Jews. Even Hitler worked with them in the early years of his rule (the Havaara agreement).
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I’m telling you what they said at the time. They didn’t request the expulsion of the Jews, they requested a halt to the Zionist project that was threatening their way of life.
I oppose antisemitism 100%, but we can’t fight it by building an ethnostate that strips other people of their rights.
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This is folklore. Completely divorced from modern historiography, anthropology, biology, and international law.
This is why Israeli universities have their own history departments for studying Jewish history, using methods not relied on by history departments in any other country across the globe.
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Not the Arab Higher Committee of Palestine, who actually submitted the request for a state to the UN under these terms.
In 1947 the Zionists had been colonizing Palestine for 30 years, including land expropriation, economic discrimination, and collaboration with British colonial oppression.
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Because there’s an important difference between massacres being committed on both sides, and one side seeking to establish a colonial ethnostate while the other seeks one democratic state with civil rights and protections for minority groups, which was what the Palestinians requested in 1947.
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You’re right, they voluntarily left while the Haganah just happened to be massacring civilians in neighboring villages who wouldn’t voluntarily leave.
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It absolutely happened and the early zionist leaders were very open about their colonial intentions. That’s how 19th / early 20th century Europeans commanded respect. They weren’t shy about it at all.
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And to be clear, as I’ve said elsewhere in these comments, there’s nothing wrong with Jews wanting to move to Palestine.
It’s expelling the locals (their very distant cousins) and setting up their an ethnostate that is a major problem.
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…than the descendants of those who stayed in the land, converted to Islam, assimilated to Arab culture (while maintaining their own local traditions), and whose families continued to live there and work the land for centuries. (2/2)
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That’s not my position.
My position is that Jewish descendants of Europeans who intermarried Jews who emigrated from Palestine (which was not ethnically cleansed by the Romans or the Arabs — both of whom integrated local populations into their empires) do not have a stronger claim to the land… 1/2
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If this were true then the Jewish diaspora would be ethnically homogeneous across the Mediterranean and Europe, which it isn’t. Jewish communities intermarried and made converts among local populations wherever they settled.
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I don’t think there would have been anything wrong with European Jews immigrating to Palestine with the intention of living peacefully with the Palestinians. But the early Zionist leaders were clear about their intention to expel them and create a state exclusively for themselves.
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Calling a land your homeland because some of your ancestors lived there 2000 years ago, when most of your other ancestors from 2000 years ago lived in Europe, is a very weak claim compared to that of the local inhabitants who are almost entirely descended from the ancient indigenous population.
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Moving to a land and setting up communities and industries that discriminate against the local population, and expelling them from the land is colonization. By definition.
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No. I said that the Ottoman Empire was known as a safe haven for Jews, which it was, for most of its history. The rise of nationalism in the 18th and 19th centuries was terrible for people everywhere.
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I’m not arguing that Jews were treated always and everywhere by all Arabs. I’m arguing that in general they fared better in Arab countries than they did under European ones. I’m pushing back on your earlier assertion that painted the Arabs as a monolith.