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I assume you'll be cheering for joy if trump manages to subjugate my country? You sure seem happy about the disenfranchisement of the left in the US right now.
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Good luck under your new president. Hopefully the Dems can get their heads out of their asses at some point but I expect they are a lot more like you.
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The only other alternative I see is revolution, and the American populace seems uniquely unwilling to revolt against systemic injustice.
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We both agree the Republicans are evil.
The problem is that the democrats are doing a piss-poor job of convincing people that they are not also evil.
The lesser of two evils is still evil and some people won't vote for that.
For the solution to come from within it has to be fixing the democrats
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How the fuck does dropping bombs on their family safeguard their wellbeing?
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I am sorry for this Rabbi. Sometimes, the impulse to post the visceral reaction is more powerful than the wisdom to read the whole thread first.
I will work on this.
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The 2024 strategy was to primary the left, and get Liz Cheney involved in an attempt to get swing republicans to vote. Last I saw approximately 10 million people voted for Biden in 2020 that chose not to vote thus time.
The winning strategy has to be to drop the centrist and get these votes back.
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Because the alternative is not acceptable to them.
Ultimately I highly doubt anyone will get a single trump 2024 voter to vote Dem in 2028. But getting the Dems to appeal to those they have excluded looks to me like it has to be the first step towards getting them elected in 2028.
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A lot of the red line voters I've seen are muslim or arab. The democratic party has spent the last year funding bombs to be dropped on the the homes of their families and loved ones.
If that's the Dems not wanting to kill them what does the Dems wanting to kill them look like?
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The left stayed home rather than vote for either of the two parties that wants to kill them.
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If the democrats want to win they need to move left. That is the answer.
There was no vote that would help the Palestinian people so the people for whom that is a red line stayed home.
Why are you telling me I'm the problem for pointing this out?
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And yet you judge the left for not voting for a party like that?
The left stayed home this election precisely because Harris and the Biden administration were pro-genocide. There was nobody good to vote for so they did not vote. I don't agree with it but I get it
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Maga voted that way because many on the right don't care what happens to them as long as the people they hate are hurt more.
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Having a red line and being a single issue voter are two different things.
Would you vote for someone who's policy was everything in line with what you support except they also say they are going to kill you, your friends and your family?
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Having read the rest of the thread I now see the nuanced analysis I was expecting.
I just got thrown off by the horseshoe theory part up top because as an anarchist the centrists who say that are usually attacking me.
Your point about Bernie's inability to grasp intesectionality is a good one.
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Right, a Canadian who would have voted blue if he had a vote is "the problem" not the pro-genocide establishment democrats.
You must sleep really well at night knowing that you did everything you could to solve all the worlds problems by voting for your team once every four years.
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Explaining to centrists that they lost because of red-line leftists who won't vote for genocide isn't "
Using the situation to sway votes without any real benefit to the victims"
It is trying to spread awareness of the Dems biggest mistake this time in the hopes they'll get it right next time.
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Of course I am. The goal needs to be either revolution or small progress by political gain.
Please explain how trying to get the democrats to be against genocide is a bad thing.
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Wait. Do you actually believe in horseshoe theory?
Just double checking before, because you always seemed to be reasonable, and "anarchists are the same as fascists" seems like a pretty big step away from your usual nuanced takes.
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Obviously fucking not.
My point which I have made multiple times to you is that if the Dems refuse to do better then the left won't vote for them.
My point is that the blame for losing this election should fall on Harris and her shifty pro-genocide campaign, not the left.
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What does anti-genocide action look like to you?
Because for a lot of the people who have been protesting for years and fighting thus for years it looks a lot like the Dems have told them to fuck off and die.
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"US policy on Israel and Palestine isn't going to change depending on the party in power"
Makes it pretty clear that red-line anti-genocide voters have no reason to vote.
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Biden is responsible for every bomb he sent that got dropped on Gaza. Yet you try to push the blame onto Reagan.
Dems need to move left to have a chance, but seemingly would rather see Trump in power than someone like Bernie Sanders.
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Your decision to fight online leftists who could not bring themselves to vote for a member of an administration who actively provided the weapons for a genocidal war during a hot period of that war.
Trump is evil, but empowered by centrists. If Biden had stopped the bombs, Harris would have won.
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I'd have voted blue if I had a vote in the US election. I'd have been disgusted eith myself but I'd have done it for harm reduction. Other people have genocide support as red line. Which is moral, valid and principled.
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It actual is simple. Genocide is always wrong. The fact that you think sometimes genocide is okay is disgusting. If you actually believe genocide is a gray area you are worse than I thought.
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You literally told me you were a victim of genocide yet here you are shilling for genocide. You aren't better informed just more evil.
Fuck off and stop pretending to be a good person, you aren't.
Goodbye, I hope you have the life you deserve.
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Ok. I apologize for my previous statement. It is clear that growing a heart would not be enough. You should grow a brain as well.
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This is you. This is exactly you. In 4 years when we onnthe left are against whatever war Trump is doing I'm sure your opinion will be that the genocide in Gaza was bad too.
Grow some empathy you heartless bastard.
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I will brush up on those because I'm not familiar.
Would you do me a favour and brush up on basic empathy and the fact that genocide is always bad?
Might make you a half-decent person. Which would be an improvement by half.
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Hey buddy, I know you are a liberal democrat so reading comprehension isn't your strong suit but responding to someone who literally said
"this has been Dem policy for decades"
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"this isn't just a Biden issue"
Is incredibly stupid. Almost as stupid as blaming the left for Trump.
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Yes we realize that liberal democrats believe that the lives of Americans are worth something and the lives of non-Americans are expendable.
We also realize that Trump's "America First" slogan has been dem policy for decades.
How is it better that the blood you want spilled is Palestinian?
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Yeah that's it for sure
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Because the core tenet of liberalism is that everyone else is responsible for Thier actions but the centrist liberals are not and can never be wrong.
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Ah shit you're right. We all have to follow the rules and respect those complicit in genocide...
Never heard of the Nuremberg trials? Following orders doesn't make you a good person.
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Imagine thinking Medicare for all is as bad as Nazism.
Horseshoe theorists must be the dumbest people on earth. Actually dumber than MAGA who are stupid abd evil but can at least articulate and achieve their stupid and evil goals.
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Ah got it.
You are a dumbass. Thanks for your time. I'm sure the longer posts than this 2 word one were extremely difficult for you.
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Please explain how they would be as bad as MAGA.
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If I were American I'd have voted blue.
Unlike democratic leadership I am neither arrogant nor stupid alenough to assume that every leftist will vote for them forever while they move steadily right and through leftists under the bus at every opportunity.
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I hope we did.
Maybe the democrats will learn their fucking lesson. You know the really fucking basic one that empathy is good and genocide is bad.
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I hope the next four years are exactly as bad for you as you fear. You and all your genocidal friends deserve it. The problem is that the evil man you got elected is more likely to target leftists than you.
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What this might achieve, which is unlikely because you are all so set in your ways, is a change in how you idiots pick your leaders.
Shitting on the left is a terrible way to get their votes.
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The problem is that it will be exactly the same. Dems should be better but they are not.
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The democrats supporting a genocide did that.
Why the fuck do all of you democrat assholes assume you deserve everyone's votes. Put down a real candidate that isn't a handmade to genocide and earn them.
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Just because you think any life that isn't american is expendable doesn't mean others do.
Some of us have morals.
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Right because being anti-genocide couldn't possibly be a real opinion held by real people.
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So trump was behind Biden sending billions of aid to support the genocide?
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"But don't you know if the basic necessities increase in price you just pay more for them"
Privileged libs couldn't even get on the right side of "genocide is always bad". Not surprising they think struggling people don't matter.