doing cutesy hypotheticals around the electoral effects of invading and annexing an entire country is everything that's wrong with the New York Times, elite media in this country, and you in particular total inability to consider the horror of what's being proposed, fuck off with this shit - ThreadSky | a Reddit-style client for Bluesky

rincewind.run • 95 days ago

doing cutesy hypotheticals around the electoral effects of invading and annexing an entire country is everything that's wrong with the New York Times, elite media in this country, and you in particular

total inability to consider the horror of what's being proposed, fuck off with this shit

Reposted from Peter Baker

Canada as the 51st state? Trump thinks it would be a boon to his legacy. But it would also be a boon to Democrats, who would gain a lot more voters. www.nytimes.com/2025/02/17/u...

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nattiecat.bsky.social•95 days ago

Like voting would even matter in a world where that happens.

heksenhaus.bsky.social•95 days ago

fucking ghouls, the lot of them.

lacemuse.bsky.social•95 days ago

It would be the beginning of a world War. Just like when Germany invaded Poland

dmnd.me•95 days ago

It’s also wrong! Canadians who are forced to become Americans will not magically become Democrats. They’ll probably elect folks from one of their existing parties to represent Canadian nationalism in Congress. Those folks might caucus with Democrats but that’s not a guarantee.

rhettsavage.bsky.social•95 days ago

Agree 100%

christhehands.bsky.social•94 days ago

Imagine an insurgency where the insurgents look and talk like you do right next door to the homeland..... https://theconversation.com/why-annexing-canada-would-destroy-the-united-states-249561

solitarycamel.bsky.social•94 days ago

'You'll always be able to suss out one of these misguided guerilla fighters by the way they say "About".'

/americans

danifroom.bsky.social•95 days ago

Yeah Trump will annex three foreign countries and then let all those people vote, very smart, New York Times, you are truly the paper of record

thabiz42.bsky.social•95 days ago

Nah, just a future burning heap of ash.

jnievele.bsky.social•95 days ago

Yes, for normal people. But what if this is aimed at Republicans anxious to lose their power? They don't care about horror or victims, but THIS ISA threat for them.

baymama.bsky.social•95 days ago

Thank you for saying this, I am aghast at this shit

sevenbrg.bsky.social•94 days ago

As a Canadian, (I haven't read this one but wow this keeps happening) most of these articles don't really consider what we want, and seem to presume we must want to be American. Or that we already are basically just another blue state.

Sorry, we have our own culture and way of doing things.

sevenbrg.bsky.social•94 days ago

There's an underlying tone of American exceptionalism that just can't accept that other countries are as proud to be who they are as Americans are proud to be American.

We don't do the melting pot up here.

solitarycamel.bsky.social•94 days ago

Note nobody in the States has yet noticed that this annexation talk has really pissed off and galvanised us. When you get -Quebec- chiming in on the No side you know you done fucked up. Except they don't.

bptt.bsky.social•94 days ago

Eh, it’s a useful way of scaring Republicans off the idea, even if they’re completely OK with everything else that entails.

weggles.bsky.social•95 days ago

There's no chance we'd get representation or a vote

bertthekitten.bsky.social•95 days ago

“Sure it might be messy . . .”

watershedlab.bsky.social•95 days ago

Thank you

watershedlab.bsky.social•95 days ago

And in Canada, this is how we do it. https://bsky.app/profile/watershedlab.bsky.social/post/3lig4qqnk6s2n

aiila.bsky.social•95 days ago

Please accept my apologies. Many of us consider this ‘idea’ disgusting, rude, embarrassing, shameful, glutinous, greedy, revolting and way beyond common decency.

dwains.bsky.social•95 days ago

“Know Your Audience”

NYT & the rest of MSM aren’t writing to readers like us. They obviously have a different audience in mind.

MSM has failed the American people and this country.
It doesn’t know its audience.

amandamontagne01.bsky.social•95 days ago

Maybe I'm being too charitable, but part of me feels like this is an article that's trying to be clever by framing it as a potential boon for Democrats while the underlying intent is to dissuade Republican leadership from pursuing this dumbass plan.

amandamontagne01.bsky.social•95 days ago

The vast majority of dems aren't going to see this article and go, "hey, actually this a great idea!" BUT Republicans, especially Republicans in Congress pay attention to what they see as opposition media, even when said media is constantly engaging in Trump dick-riding.

amandamontagne01.bsky.social•95 days ago

If the article was purely antagonistic, telling Republicans what a stupid idea it is, and will only benefit their political enemies, they won't listen to it purely out of pique and assume they're lying

But if the article portrays the plan in glowing tones for Democrats, THAT will give MAGAts pause.

judination.bsky.social•95 days ago

They're trying to curb his enthusiasm by providing logistical problems to his terrible ideas. It seems presumptuous that they think they'll get to vote again.

dustopi.bsky.social•95 days ago

Also a hypothetical assumption that the next elections will be free

directactionworks.bsky.social•95 days ago

they did this with "alt-right" puff pieces. seriously just call it the Normalization paper - thats all it does.
it isn't journalism . its propaganda.

ch721.bsky.social•95 days ago

What the actual fuck NYT?

daveb1970.bsky.social•95 days ago

An entire piece based on the premise that if this happens elections will still matter (they won't). Real galaxy brained shit here

venus-as-a-boy.bsky.social•95 days ago

*shitlib voice* "trump hasnt considered the political leanings of canada. if he lets them vote the republicans will never win an election again. another tactical blunder 🤣🤣🤣"
like yeah he's not gonna let canadians vote. he doesn't even want americans to vote. america's a monarchy now.

scarso.bsky.social•95 days ago

Unless what they're suggesting is that if Trump really wants to annex Canada then he should also suspend elections. "Just saying."

mejoff-things.bsky.social•95 days ago

At the point you're annexing your neighbours, nobody is voting anymore.

difficultopinions.com•95 days ago

This is what happens when one country invades another –– and this was 22 years ago. Today the catastrophe would be much worse.

The US would need to invade Canada and kill thousands of people to forcibly occupy the Canadian land –– because Canada rejects all discussion of US rule.

JFC media. STOP!

devin-eleven.bsky.social•95 days ago

I'm no historian, but I believe that usually fascists do not keep opposition parties or fair elections around very long. Establishment democrats are rubbing their hands together about elections in the future that may never happen.

axedame.bsky.social•95 days ago

Meanwhile, from the potential next PM of Canada (Mark Carney)...

https://bsky.app/profile/dfisman.bsky.social/post/3lig5okn32c2m

tahfromslc.bsky.social•95 days ago

Puerile nonsense, Peter Baker.

heres.bsky.social•95 days ago

The Vichy Times

solitarycamel.bsky.social•94 days ago

I've been loving the applicaton of 'Vichy' to various aspects of America lately, it's so fitting.

metabluesky.bsky.social•95 days ago

The entire thing is geopolitical logic out of a Harry Turtledove novel. "Greater American Empire, just add Canada."

"Canada, WTF?"

"Well where else are we going to go? Tau Ceti?"

People humoring this as serious are beyond contempt and deserve all they get.

callielowenstein.bsky.social•95 days ago

They have truly irredeemably and irretrievably lost the whole plot

ditaki.bsky.social•95 days ago

Just a game, yeah, don’t worry about the countless deaths and the destruction of democratic norms and imperialism. No biggie. 😤

ryedog.bsky.social•95 days ago

War is too abstract for Americans. Same shit as Gaza and Ukraine. The human suffering of war is an afterthought relative to the bad social and geopolitical vibes caused by war

odanaos.bsky.social•95 days ago

Could well be. IIRC the number of USA war casualties after 1865 is still smaller than before that.

ryedog.bsky.social•95 days ago

All the American psyche remembers about the televised horror of Vietnam is the annoying hippies in the streets saying our brave boys were all suckers dying for nothing

ryedog.bsky.social•95 days ago

And that helicopter radios played fortunate son, a song about being a guy with bad fortune and nothing else

embu7.bsky.social•95 days ago

Yeah but imagine how good our hockey team would be

leftcoastracing.bsky.social•95 days ago

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST ON A GODDAMN POGO STICK!!!
I don’t even have to read the article. The guy doesn’t understand that being supposedly Democrat-leaning is irrelevant as we wouldn’t have the vote anyway, we’d be little better than occupied territory

rosa.lesbian.cat•95 days ago

the thing is, those cutesy hypotheticals (precisely from the Dem votes POV) have been around for over a decade. no one took them seriously, but no one cared to dismiss them; and so the American political landscape evolved, and annexing Canada has passed from a joke into something deathly serious.

ryanhumphrey.bsky.social•95 days ago

I think this is the best response so far

amandamontagne01.bsky.social•95 days ago

Yes, but much of that push for war was coming at the behest of the Cubans themselves.

It's not like Cuba was some peaceful paradise, the Cubans had been in active rebellion against their Spanish overlords for 3 years by that point in a conflict that killed 10% of the Island's total population.

hoyaghost.bsky.social•94 days ago

Yes… but also worth noting that by early 1898 the Cuban revolutionaries had made enough gains that they likely were going to win independence without American help. And many of them were wary of what America would demand in return as their liberators.

diannalgunn.bsky.social•95 days ago

If I could get across the border I would be severely tempted to go to the NYT's head office with a pack of matches and some kerosene

slothandenvy.com•95 days ago

NYT is looking pretty desperate.

diannalgunn.bsky.social•95 days ago

It should start looking like a pile of ashes

NYT had a massive hand in creating this situation & I will never forgive the people in charge there

slothandenvy.com•95 days ago

Yeah I don't even click on gifted articles that people share anymore. I don't want to give them any clicks. Cancelled WaPo in November too.

diannalgunn.bsky.social•95 days ago

Good fucking riddance

rowlandville.bsky.social•95 days ago

The NYT is the CNN of print. "Little of the real news that's fit to print."

diannalgunn.bsky.social•95 days ago

🙃🙃🙃

dadbeastlarge.bsky.social•95 days ago

Boycott the New York Times.

sassyv.bsky.social•95 days ago

Provided there would be elections.

arthuritis.bsky.social•95 days ago

Canada should annexe Alaska…

ernekid.bsky.social•95 days ago

It's pretending that geopolitics is like a game of Sid Meir's Civilisation, its sociopathic

jenebbeler.bsky.social•95 days ago

Well put.

emma.meangirls.online•95 days ago

absolutely fucking wild that this got greenlit but then again, it's the paper that's been trying to get me killed for years so i'm not sure why i'm surprised lol

rowast.com•95 days ago

The family that owns the paper is completely amoral, they'd applaud Trump killing you or I (taking my meds away) and not blink

joeyneilsen.bsky.social•95 days ago

This is the same dude gasping in horror at Musk calling for 60 minutes folks to be jailed.

Like: fine, but do we need writers at The New York Times who can't connect the dots?

notthesmartestguy.bsky.social•95 days ago

On the nose! Twee hypotheticals fantasizing about subverting the Nazi’s work for good are revolting! That would be a war, a damn bloody one. And NATO would be required to come to their aid.

mgeschwind.bsky.social•95 days ago

Not that NYT has earned the benefit of any doubt, but I can imagine writing something like that* purely for an audience of one, in the hope that it will make him think annexing/invading is against his interest after all.

*of course I mean the blurb - I'm not paying to read the article

thejestercrow.bsky.social•94 days ago

Paving the Road to Anschluss

atlasbun.bsky.social•95 days ago

Besides they would just make a territory without representation much like Puerto Rico if they did. This take of no no it's actually be good to annex our closest allies is a shit take that assumes good of the annexers.

solitarycamel.bsky.social•94 days ago

Yeah. IF, and that's a very big IF, by some holy shit whatever this comes to pass, we're not getting statehood with those shitgibbons in charge.

Has NYT run any hurt feelings articles yet about us booing the Star Spangled Banner during Four Nations?

thabiz42.bsky.social•95 days ago

Why is the NYT allowed to not be a burning heap of ash?

ladyaranea.bsky.social•95 days ago

Because we haven't turned it into one yet.

whirringsoftly.bsky.social•92 days ago

Something something holding Washington DC, Ottawa, Mexico City, something something about Paris and Moscow.