This is a superb new resource about rejoining the EU.
https://rejoin.info/
It takes all the thorny questions, and the objections and obstacles people throw in the way of rejoining, and tackles each one slowly, factually and calmly.
Bottom line: we can rejoin. It won't necessarily take a very long time.
https://rejoin.info/
It takes all the thorny questions, and the objections and obstacles people throw in the way of rejoining, and tackles each one slowly, factually and calmly.
Bottom line: we can rejoin. It won't necessarily take a very long time.
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And suggests you can avoid the euro by, in bad faith, just not trying to meet the criteria. That'd be some way to start a new relationship.
You have to apply under the new rules.
The Euro is mandatory for all new members.
Also no one would be able trust the UK if they were to continue with their sense of entitlement.
Maybe the UK simply doesn’t belong in the EU. That is okay.
Would the EU have us back?
Then taking some quotations completely out of context to try to pretend it’s going to be easy
Just rock up in Brussels “we’re back!!!!”
What’s the next directive we can opt out of?
the underlying logic is solid...i.e. drop the bonkers brexity red lines...or discussing what opt outs can be wrangled, by staying within the lines.
bullet points won't win the debate: a cultural /mindset shift will.
And dropping the red lines is a great start.
I get the sense that the real problem is the main demog of people who bother to go out to vote now are brexity, stop the boats, racisty types.
happy to be corrected on that.
Important to actually take the fight to the populists and talk up the value of European achievements.
That's why I thought the smart thing to do would be to drop the bonkers brexity red lines and confront the r/w rather than try to out-do them over right wing stuff like immigration.
brexit britain has reached a boss level of bonkers I never knew existed.
But, for me, it's about a cultural shift or change, not bullet points. A "reset" so to speak, of the anti EU mindset.
First they will have to qualify under the CC and specifically for the Euro (they don’t).
2. The accession process is not Skippable 3. I've seen people saying we deserve our original level of power back, and I say ONLY if there's a majority EU vote agreeing.
Luckily that is something you can put right.
All in or all out. Not that the UK qualifies for membership anyway.
bullet points won't win the debate: a mindset/cultural shift first will.
On Schengen and the Euro, especially, the approach seems to be "How little commitment can we get away with, and still get the benefits?"
England has had enough of the usual suspects IMHO.
No application to join the EU is likely for the foreseeable future.
The UK wouldn’t make a good candidate right now.
Thanks for the link.
Treating 2/3 of our finest achievements (euro and Schengen) as burdens is hardly an encouraging case.
But it's not good.
Unfortunately!
Important: I am NOT saying that X WILL happen. I am saying it CAN happen.
They're not going to agree to damage the accession process, damage the euro, and actively invite the cuckoo of the City back into the nest given how UKG actively tried to destroy the euro and profited from the eurozone crisis last time.
As a Briton, I would love it for the EU to indulge the UK.
But that’s not the same as thinking that’s going to, or should, happen.
If, as a prospective member, what you want is diametrically at odds with what the EU wants, have you perhaps misunderstood what the EU is?
The UK is still a big prize. Not so big that we get to dictate terms - nothing like that, I'm not an exceptionalist! - but far too big to write off on various spurious untested grounds that would actually have to be thrashed out during negotiations.
The first step is the Copenhagen Criteria, which means the UK committing to monetary union. If it doesn't or can't, the process ends there.
The negotiation that follow are how best to get the UK up to code on European law.
There is no negotiation on core parts of the union.
Maybe that will change…maybe not.
Really ?..
Well there's you Brits outsmarting our EU again..
We could never be up to you..
It should be possible to construct a valid argument about why adopting them wouldn't be the problem some expect it to be AND also explain why that might not be necessary anyway.
This is one of those gut feel questions. The love of the great British banknote.
Interesting that cashless transactions overtook cash in 2017. Cash now down to 12%.
A nostalgia barrier held by the older generation?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crg51e9dv8go
That and the DKK is so firmly tied to the Euro, it's survival is essentially cosmetic.
Came across this which is quite interesting.
Seems the Vatican was major culprit in profiteering as a result of with currency switch. 🫣
https://www.midi-france.info/articles/a_franc.htm
Even then it's up to the EU. We need to rebuild trust by bringing Brexit liars to justice.
We'll never get that deal again or as a country be trusted,all because some couldn't stand not being in charge
We could have helped lead instead we left
Cameron gambled the country for the ToryParty
If Starmer gambles,Reform may win
https://www.stayeuropean.org/
It will be decades before we forget that you put Farage in our parliament. The short version is fuck you.
It’s not really particularly useful really.
A former member state can rejoin (art. 50.5 TEU), but the application must be made under art. 49.
Art. 2 TEU may cause problems particularly over our FPTP voting system, a profoundly undemocratic legislature. And if we 1/
We have to comply with the “Copenhagen criteria” including incorporating the whole EU acquis, not just legally, but practically and administratively.
To get to signing an accession treaty will take however one 2/
And the UK is no where near triggering art. 49. There is not the political will or sufficient popular support to do so. Without that nothing will happen.
If Labour were to win the 2029 General Election on a manifesto commitment to hold a referendum 3/
* and yes, I voted remain and want the UK back in the EU asap, but I also know that the UK is years away from lodging an application. So, sadly I do not share your optimism here 4/
For me, it represents a step away from the brexity red lines. Which I like.
Don't forget, bullet points & facts didn't win the brexit vote în 2016. facts don't persuade brits to drop the brexity red lines.
A mindset/cultural shift will.
baby steps.
so are the brexity red lines.
even a totally new world order, ukraine or the UK facing collapse, has not persuaded many british brexit commentators to start calling to drop the red lines. Instead they wonder what else "can we get from the EU, within our red lines?"
* please young people make this right (my generation and the one up from me really messed up your futures).
There's no rejoin side door.
PS: there's a queue ahead of you.
The UK can apply. The terms and the final decision is not up to them.
Do you see U.K. following EU protocol?
Q is, would an independent country be able to overturn decisions made by previous colonial governments?
So no one can say for sure whether the UK can join the EU.
The UK can apply to join the EU. That part they have full control over…everything after that they do not control.
We’re not trying to raise the dead.
It’s a man made contract that can be broken or fixed.
Brexiteers need to be ignored as irrelevant as a moron who thinks the earth is flat is irrelevant to a discussion on geography.
The sense of entitlement too.
I regret to say their number 1/ seems phrased unfortunately.
I might not have chosen it but by a majority voting for Brexit and for Government that explicitly said they supported a hard Brexit (Inc the current one) “we”, as a country, did choose to lose our rights..
So who is behind it? I’d like some transparency here.
Individuals can’t become members of the EU.
They want cake.
"Can we have our cake and eat it too?"
Leading to page which says "Well, legally, no, but in practice, politcally, yes"
I just don't think people who want the UK to join get it.
Saying "we're back, but not via A49" isn't going to cut it.
And that is why the apologist excuses from Labour supporters for their party's position is even more unacceptable & tiresome.
If only all this had been put on the other side of the Bus…
With precise terms and clear communication.
Probably beyond politicians
The question"How is rejoining possible when all the main political parties are opposed?" and it's answer actually made me laugh.
First of all, the question is nonsense. Only 2 parties are opposed ideologically - Reform and the Tories.
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And the EU will not offer those things while the most likely alternative government is implacably opposed to them.
Obviously.
By the time rejoin is being offered by the EU (10 or 15 years from now at the earliest) no one in Labour's leadership will be around.
If you are pro EU defending Labour right now is counterproductive to the point of being delusional.
The membership and the bulk of their MPs aren't.
But this is not just about Labour and its supporters. There are very many alienated political wilderness people like me who want to cut through all the partisan bullsh1t & see what is better for the UK.
They just aren't.
Their manifesto says so.
Their leadership says so.
…and not only in the short term (“not in my lifetime”).
Yes, they are opposed to SM membership (and rejoin) in this Parliament
The EU has not offered or suggested negotiations to rejoin, or join the SM.
So what Labour does is irrelevant
What the EU wants or is prepared to do matters more than what Labour says
They - wrongly I think - think the politics of shouting "we want to rejoin now" don't work currently.
But while the only plausible alternative government is implacably opposed to closer EU ties, the EU won't offer to negotiate anything serious on SM or rejoin.
Obviously.
After Westminster decided not to ratify the Withdrawal Agreement, Theresa May's demission was unavoidable and the (anti-European) Boris individual highly likely to become PM. Unsurprisingly he got all bridges burned that could be burned.
It's hard to take something seriously when it's such obvious tripe.
I don't think there will be significant pro-Labour tactical voting in 2029.
Do you?
Labour obviously cannot be complacent, but I do not think the country is in any way ready for another bout of destructive hard right politics.
You shouldn't be predicting the results of a FPTP election in a multiparty system this far out.
It is very good