Why is getting caught for breaking the rule the thing that feels like a violation fo the social contract and not breaking the law, is a real question I have on a conceptual level
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Will Oremus
As one of these 48,000, yes I was over the speed limit and I probably deserved the ticket but getting caught speeding by a robot still feels like a violation of the social contract somehow. wjla.com/news/local/m...
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Apart from the fine, the consequences are pretty minimal
But it led to a decrease of 20% in the road mortality rate.
It is worth a few fines.
* billionaires
* drivers
Decades experience agree
Policy some states if you show up to court they automatically drop offence by a class if you will accept and pay
Not worth cops time to give out lowest level tix
* Work Zones always a noted exception
Or does he still harass people and now we have to deal with state surveillance on top of that?
I suppose some cities will cut police. Others will reassign them to productive beats. Others will continue to be bad.
What good is AI if you can make the traffic cameras rate your looks before giving you a ticket?
That and a camera can't escalate a ticket into an execution.
vs.
Cops pulling over "guys that didn't belong in the neighborhood"
Idiots don't even think of race/class data in policing.
My only defense is that the speed limits are too low in many places, but that's not a good defense. I'd be happy if they just forced everyone to go the speed limit. It would save lives.
As somebody who likes clear-cut rules and safety, this is great, even if I'm apprehensive because I have a lead foot.
But given municipalities' past tendency to manipulate traffic light cycles to increase revenues via red light cameras, I'm dubious
It doesn't matter if an area's population can afford the tickets. It matters if they have the money and/or privilege to push back.
When I left private practice, NC's baseline court costs for a traffic ticket were $188. Fines and fees routinely bumped that to $250
Drivers changed behavior enough over 5 years they're testing turning some off now.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/24255287.speed-cameras-scotland-go-dormant-driver-improvement/
If they wanted to save lives, there are many, many other more critical things to focus on.
speed traffic cameras *are* things a municipality can do.
This shit is how the American Revolution started: parliament didn't tax the colonies for a century. Then they did.
"That doesn't apply to driving."
Again, the audience for this claim was future police officers.
It's folks zipping in and out of lanes and tailgating that an issue. Along with distracted driving
As a cyclist, please allow me to say: oh HELL no
Everyone knows traffic cops cannot catch every infraction, so people do things like ignore speed limits knowing the probability of being caught is very low.
Automation changes the math.
But for context, speeding includes places where it's dangerous to observe the speed limit (i.e. many US highways) b/c *every driver* who angrily passes must avoid error. And also not roadrage ram, which happens.
Also that changes to this are implemented differently in different places at different times
misusing "social contract".
Also, I have yet to hear of speed cams going in in secret. Theyre always highly publicized.
Thirdly, he's bitching about them while going 81 in a 65.
Pols seem to care more about the money than the road
and for whatever reason people who would have no trouble seeing that that shift is important in other areas (weed, say) struggle sometimes here
Does seem like the freakout could’ve been mitigated with a grace period when the now near-certain penalty was cheaper. 1/2
Speed Limit laws aren’t real, in the HLA Hart rubric of what makes a law real. They’re among the least real laws out there.
Another reason for a gentle transition.
It may be the case that we want to enforce this law programmatically, but it should be deliberated & justified by public & officials.
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:
There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
There is nothing more or else to it, and there never has been, in any place or time.”
Or, you could just drive the within 10% of the speed limit and accept the consequences when you don't.
been there
A human highway patrol officer may say that if you're comin' his way you'd better drive slow, but has some agency and will not, for example, ticket someone keeping up with traffic even if they're all a bit over the limit. A robot has no nuance in when or how they enforce.
In any case, I think robo-tickets are probably good, on the balance.
"I got ticketed for going over the speed limit" -> sympathetic, we've all been there
"I got ticketed for doing 38 in a 25" yeesh buddy, ten-over just wasn't goo enough for ya huh?
a quick search indicates that over 12k people were killed in 2021 because of speeding. does that sounds good to you or would you like to lower that number?
Also I should mention that MD is rather notorious for its speed traps, which are really a way to extract revenue and have no relation to public safety.
31mph in a 20 zone is a significant amount of speeding.
remembering the cosplay socialist who made up sick people to use to say congestion pricing is bad without checking that said hypothetical was already covered with a waiver
it's been a while so I could be misremembering who....
I want speed camera, but I want them government owned and operated.
I don't trust corpos to not sell off my driving habits to Facebook or some other spooky dealer.
https://bsky.app/profile/actfortransit.bsky.social/post/3lom34ge4rs2w
"“Speed monitoring system” means a device with one or more motor vehicle sensors producing recorded images of motor vehicles traveling at speeds at least 12 miles per hour above the posted speed limit." - MD Transp Code § 21-809(a)(8)
They are set with a certain factor of safety for one. For another, highways like r3 can be 55 for decades, suddenly increase to 65 without issue.
85mph is terrifying in one; and so controlled it’s almost boring in the other
https://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/uslimits/notes/speed_info.htm