They are both so obviously owned and operated by Russian forces that I'm not entirely certain that the puppet in the big chair really matters all that much.
If it was Trump carking it in the most horrific and painful manner possible I'll grab that with both hands, 1 down 2 (Vance and Musk) to go....job's a good un
We’re looking at a potential 12 years of geopolitical chaos …. Putin must be wetting himself with glee😜 and if that weren’t bad enough…. Thanks to the last constituency boundary changes I’m lumbered with Suella fucking Braverman as my MP🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤬🤬
Wait, you still think elections are now going to be free and fair now that Tramp has given Putin an open door to hack them? Next you'll tell me the legal system will save you after Tramp publicly said 'we ARE the law'
July 26, 2024:
“We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not going to have to vote [again]. ~Senile totalitarian trump, mere months before the election.
If they do have midterms, it’ll be one one of those funny elections like they have in N Korea. Ruling party gets 99.8% and .2% get machine-gunned.
Peter Thiel, the right wing billionaire who once wrote that it was a mistake to allow women to vote, groomed Vance with every job he ever had, paid for and ran his Senate election campaign, and donated and pushed Vance to be Trump’s VP.
Vance is the Tech Bro Oligarch plant with Trump as figurehead.
often crosses my mind, but he is not the god of maga & I hope he would crumble under the pressure - its musk that is important to be rid off & it would be wonderful if he & the other greedy just loose all their wealth because that is their only concern in my humble opinion
Quite so. Although I get the impression that Mike Johnson is merely stupid, rather than unhinged like Trump or totally fucking evil like J.D. Couch-Fucker.
Nope. I’ve always thought that was the plan. Get Trump in because he’s got election-winning form, remove him (the method doesn’t matter, they’ll blame the woke for his death) and then install a truly nasty piece of work.
I'm not ignoring the horror of Vance getting into the oval in place of the convicted felon 47. With his tech & venture capitalist bros, they will corporatize & privatize the country to their benefit.
I'm not.
I'm horridly aware that things are going to get a whole lot worse before there's going to be a chance for anything to get even a tiny bit better.
I'll be long gone before then. I've done my best to set my daughters & grandkids up to deal with it, but I don't envy them the task.
But amongst the MAGA supporters he does have the same popularity, he might be a lot worse but I feel the public really would desert them. Might be too late for the public to do anything by then of course.
Till they change the rules using their stuffed supreme court
Won't stop there either
First a 3rd term for Donald Dump then all bets are off
Never thought WW3 would have
China on one side vs The Dump and rasPUTIN on the other
It's clear there are many vested interests in the collapse of US democracy, lots now in the White House, surrounding Trump daily.
Any chance that he can be talked around by a tummy tickle from the King is for the birds.
He's gone. This has been years in the planning.
I remember a Russian wrote a book in the 1990s, titled something like 'How to beat the West without firing a bullet' (?). Also Krushov back in the 1950s said something similar.
A thought that's been terrifying me since he accepted the Vice Presidential nomination. The 25th Amendment actually scares me more than the Orange Gonad.
I've thought about this many times as I really don't think Trump will make 4 yrs (for one reason or another). I actually think he'd be worse - kinda like Fred Waterford (IYKYK). I think he'd elbow Musk though!
James - can you ask your besties @maitlis.bsky.social who the designated survivor during tonight’s address?
I’m not saying life imitates art but did you watch Contagion?
Those who think JD Vance has no chance of becoming POTUS haven't looked at the US Constitution. If Trump dies, Vance - the puppet of broligarch Peter Thiel - is next. And an anglosphere Broligarchy is a nice trinket to have.
Why is the UK a target? A former Imperial power has baggage, and that dogged Churchill's negotiations with FDR; the UK-US Trade deal that melted away like the Wicked Witch of The West when it met reality; the arrogance of the Broligarchy of Silicon Valley; Envy of our soft power; a need of enemies.
Nope. Just trying to stop gagging at the thought of this entrepreneurial politician being next in line makes me fear the dark side of human ambition as the perversion of the will to power. He can't be trusted either.
Vance is seen as weak & a big problem. Sidelined by his own party, & having to ask Trump for permission to join in on browbeating of Zelensky. Low-level henchman if I ever saw one.
If Trump dies, the whole movement dies with him.
Yes, it is all chaos & it will continue, because they want it that way
Did he have to ask for permission? Seems to me Trump isn’t trusted in these things on his own. Also I know MAGA is a cult but I could see several ppl stepping forward to lead it if he dies.
The cult will collapse without the orange one.
The MAGA are a simple people. With their King gone, they will set on each other in a frenzy of RW cannibalism.
I hope his Scottish and Irish roots mean something to him, otherwise he's an traitorous bastard and Celts deal with those in special ways. Stone circles are places of human sacrifice. He's the right kind of human.
A well known and very respected Democratic Congressman has said publicly that many Republicans in both houses have confided that they live in fear of violence and career retribution for themselves and their families under Trump. They do not fear Vance in anything like the same way
I thought Vance was supposed to stand out as the voice of reason in that lineup, so that once Trump gets the 25th people would relax and think things were gonna be ok.
I certainly haven't - but I do see him as much more easy to influence and manipulate / shaming into doing something that may be closer to the right thing to do. Optimism eh
It's been a real threat since Trump first made him his running mate and it was immediately clear that the man was extremely disturbed, ill informed, almost a simpleton and completely craven. Nothing has happened to change that initial impression, indeed, it has only worsened. Total scum.
Somehow, I don't think Thiel, Musk and the gang of U.S. oligarchs will be ignoring it - that's why Vance is there. Trump should probably employ someone to taste his food & drink, like his pal Putin. That's not wholly tongue-in-cheek; people who are doing what they are doing are capable of anything.
Once Trump is gone the movement unravels (rapidly and possibly kinetically) because he has deliberately surrounded himself with very weak men, has angered strong women and men, and has no succession plan.
We saw in the UK that Johnson's successors were unable to lie with impunity in the same way he did.
I have a feeling that we will see the same phenomenon with Trump's successors,whoever they may be.
Is Vance fully committed to the 2025 project? I think he is whereas Trump just lurches from one thing to another. I expect the MAGA gang to turn in on each other but who knows with these crazy people!
No but there’s not much we can do about that - meanwhile best guess is their puppet masters don’t want a deal under any circumstances and they weren’t prepared for Europe etc to pull together so quickly.
Are we ignoring Trump looking to stop postal votes? This is a coup isn’t it? I’d love someone more informed than me to reassure me and tell me why there will be elections in America going forward 🙂
The cult ends with Trump, but the Americans really need to suffer greatly before any lessons will be learned. I am hoping Ukraine get through this, but the US is decimated.
Absolutely, not I do think if by some act Vance becomes POTUS the government would fold. I do not think he has the backing, strength or will to do the job.
My greatest fear since Vance was announced as Trump’s running mate was that he would be president within 2 years. Trump was just their ticket for the presidency as Vance lacks charisma. They will invoke the 5th amendment and install Vance and then Project 2025 will go into hyperdrive.
Nor am I ignoring the "you won't need to vote any more" promises before the election. They're pretty much making sure that war is coming, which will mean one of Putin's lapdogs will stay President for a long time as no elections would likely take place in wartime (like in Ukraine).
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with so much terror ...
“We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not going to have to vote [again]. ~Senile totalitarian trump, mere months before the election.
If they do have midterms, it’ll be one one of those funny elections like they have in N Korea. Ruling party gets 99.8% and .2% get machine-gunned.
I’m sure we could temp them with a Riefenstahl matinee?
And then Marco Rubio.
I could be wrong and they could still burn the whole fuckin thing down because education isn’t a thing in the US apparently
Vance is the Tech Bro Oligarch plant with Trump as figurehead.
Needs to be a full plane/helicopter/boat/pushchair…
There are reasons why the golfing is my favorite part of the Krasnov regime.
But what happens then? The constitution wasn’t written to take account of bad actors
Is it too much to hope they all have terrible accidents, simultaneously?
So Trump uses MAGA to clear the obstacles that restrain power and then after 2 years, dead or dying, leaves
Vance can govern for two years and still run for 2 terms.
I'm horridly aware that things are going to get a whole lot worse before there's going to be a chance for anything to get even a tiny bit better.
I'll be long gone before then. I've done my best to set my daughters & grandkids up to deal with it, but I don't envy them the task.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession
I don’t like having to wish Trump health
The future of the free world depends on it.
Won't stop there either
First a 3rd term for Donald Dump then all bets are off
Never thought WW3 would have
China on one side vs The Dump and rasPUTIN on the other
Looks like we're watching it happen in real time over there
It's clear there are many vested interests in the collapse of US democracy, lots now in the White House, surrounding Trump daily.
Any chance that he can be talked around by a tummy tickle from the King is for the birds.
He's gone. This has been years in the planning.
I’m not saying life imitates art but did you watch Contagion?
But I the think the only person that can carry the cult is Trump.
But nobody likes Vance.
He's barely a footnote, and will be crushed in the power vacuum left in Trump's passing.
If Trump dies, the whole movement dies with him.
Yes, it is all chaos & it will continue, because they want it that way
Absolutely this.
We have to work hard right now just to survive tomorrow!!!!
But. I agree with you.
Terrible accidents happen on ski slopes 😁
When - not if - Vance takes over I’ve got 10 quid on his term being shorter than Liz Truss.
I don’t think he will even get the chance to unpack.
The MAGA are a simple people. With their King gone, they will set on each other in a frenzy of RW cannibalism.
Possibly not out of the question that him & Putin would be minded to invade...
Can't believe I just wrote that, but here we are.
Idiot has served his purpose.
I have a feeling that we will see the same phenomenon with Trump's successors,whoever they may be.
Consider the 25th Amendment
Then shudder.
Doesn't mean he couldn't hold the MAGA coalition together with a good running start. But he'd definitely be weaker.
Already stocked up on loo roll, soup and anti-depressants.
Post apocalypse Micheline Star grub.
Send in a few snow boarders. Done 😁
Nor am I ignoring the "you won't need to vote any more" promises before the election. They're pretty much making sure that war is coming, which will mean one of Putin's lapdogs will stay President for a long time as no elections would likely take place in wartime (like in Ukraine).