Canadian House of Commons Member Charlie Angus: Canadians are very proud of our traditions. We know, having lived next door to our neighbors… that while our taxes might be slightly higher, it doesn’t cost us a dime to go to the doctor…
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I bet Canada and Mexico would share the expense of a wall shielding themselves from the US. Both nations already know Americans are trying to leave - that's why they strengthened their respective US immigration laws.
I LOVE hearing how people the world over feel about MAGA. Magats have insisted for a decade that Trump is respected overseas, because that's what rw media say. So, please, non-Americans, call it as you see it so the rest of us in the U.S. don't feel like WE'RE the crazy one's...
Oooh I thought this was obvious. Traveling US I see huge inequality, lots of poverty, plus on the one hand very nice people, on the other hand complete idiots. Most of the times the idiots are friendly too but NUTS to vote against themselves. And very badly informed. They know nothing at all.
Canadians and Americans are not a lot alike.
Canadians are far more polite. We apologize when we walk into a post.
Canadians are far more compassionate. We have a huge number of social safety nets (and continually expanding that) - and look after our most vulnerable.
And we like our distinctiveness!
Our media is controlled by a handful of billionaires, who want to keep us stupid so we're easier to manipulate. It's really sad watching my country crumble like this.
As usual, they are wrong. Politicians here are afraid/concerbed and the general populace is disgusted.
Politicians here stepped back from their post because they were found out plagiarizing in their doctorate and those shitheads voted a convicted felon, tax fraud and seriel rapist.
I've been on the other side of the globe, shaking my head for yrs, & more so since the election. 🐨🇦🇺
I could forgive MAGA for voting him in once, but not again. 😒
We’ve got the same element here in Canada. At one time we had a progressive Conservative party but that was taken over by religious hypocrites and turned into the plain-Jane Conservative party and there’s nothing progressive about them.
The use of “dark,” “black,” or “shade” as a synonym for “bad” is a micro-aggression that results in macro-oppression.The constant devaluing of darkness pushes the narrative that dark is evil even though the visual spectrum does not confer morality.
#ColorBiasIsRacialBias
#ChangeLanguageChangeMinds
Pt. 2 MAGA has begun a similar program of contamination by appropriating words like "patriot" and attaching malevolence to words like "liberal" and "woke." As I said, I absolutely see the merits of your argument. I hold a different perspective.
Pt. 1 I see the merits of your argument. I grew up Black and female in the United States. I am also a writer and an artist and reserve the right to utilize "dark" and "black" and other words contaminated over centuries of oppression under White supremacist ideology.
I understand your point. I reserve the right to celebrate the versatility and nuance of language. I sometimes use "darkness" as metaphor for terror, shame, regret and other times to refer to rest, incubation of new ideas, mystery, & comfort. Most readers comprehend my meaning.
That’s very American of you to take yet another one of your problems and take joy in the rest of the world suffering for it. We’re sick of it, and American bullshit. Signed a completely exasperated Canadian.
You think we are excited by the idea of our tax dollars being wasted on MORE imperialism instead of just providing for the people WHO ARE ALREADY HERE? I get that you’re upset, but being mad at “Americans” is just generalizing. Most of us are powerless.
Dude, I'd fkn love to become part of Canada. You kidding?!? Don't fkn tease me like that. My kids could actually get the healthcare they need. My wife could get out of her terrible job without losing said crappy healthcare and being fined. Sounds amazing, sign me up.
Trump plays a very clever game when it comes to applying pressure. He has already caused Trudeau problems with the resignation of his Finance Minister.
Trudeau has severely mismanaged Canada and its time for new leadership, especially with out of control migration.
Agreed 100% on 2nd point. First point, bullying tactics aren't really clever, there is a power imbalance and he uses it to win without regard to long term consequences. What's clever about shutting down your own govt just to flex your muscles. He is too driven by a need to show dominance.
As long as he has the trifecta he can pretty much get his agenda pushed through until the next congressional elections.
And good luck to him because there is a lot that needs to get done.
I don't slavishly adhere to his program e.g. climate change, but he is what is needed right now.
That said, I believe that if waiting to see a specialist, one could bypass this by traveling to the United States? Assuming they are wealthy enough. Happy Boxing Day.
* CALL * your Senators (list below) and ask them to go forward with an amnesty-for-Trump law. It will fail. It will show that neither 2/3 of the Senate nor 2/3 of the House want him to be president after having been an insurrectionist. https://www.senate.gov/senators/ #bluecrew #resist #notmypresident
Trump is attacking all of America's oldest, staunchest allies to ISOLATE the USA - to divide us from all trade & military allies; as per his extortionist, murdering, genocidal, hero and crime boss Putin - the head of Russia's global, oligarchical criminal cabal, who clearly "has the goods" on Trump.
I’m sure many Canadians that find this behaviour of #convictedfelonDonaldJTrump who’s also an adjudicated sexual assault/abuse perpetrator(digital rapist)& #businessfraudster & alleged draft dodger like paternal German grandfather, more evil than others due to many having family ties in America!🇨🇦💞🇺🇸💙
Could they have found someone with a little more clout? Charlie has been a nobody in parliament for his entire career. Surely they could have found someone important.
What we've noticed in AB is that in order to continue to recover fully, physiotherapists are often recommended. They come in at a price tag of around $100/visit. If you're a senior/not employed, uninsured in this prov, unaffordable physio time doesn't mesh w 'doesn't cost us a dime'. . .🥴
They hold your precious at the border for safekeeping. I’ve been behind an old gal from Florida.
Got her RV searched declaring that they’d never take all her guns lol… all held, no penalty.
Laughs though…
*slightly* higher?? how about insanely higher and out minimum wage is less than theirs???? artists (crap value village artists) survive down there.. here, we need three full time jobs just to pay rent!!!!!
7 US states have minimum wages of $15+ .. more states are coming on board in 2025. Canadian avg. need is 25$/ hr for basic necessities.. and with rent control/ restrictions in many places being non existent, tenant can experience increases of 25% one year and 45% the very next year.
Maybe Charlie should have a word with just about every conservative in Canada? None of them believe in Canadian Healthcare as a basic right & service. They are all actively subverting in conservative run provinces & on Parliament Hill.
About 10 years ago, I spent 8 days in hospital. 4 of those were in Intensive Care; was given 20 units of blood. Still awaiting a bill. But do go on about shit you have no clue about.
millionaires & billionaires still NOT paying their fair share & Trudeau still protecting them! Maybe 1.6M pwd wouldn't have to survive on 50% BELOW the poverty line & the CANADA DISABILITY BENEFIT would be FULLY FUNDED as promised but wasn't!
He's right! I paid a 4.5% medicare levy all my working life. Now, I get free healthcare, free doctor visits, free hospital treatment, and discounted medication. I'm in Australia. If the whole developed world has it, why can't America? It's not hard ffs! It's easy!
I agree. There is no financial, economic or political reason NOT to have universal healthcare. Private insurance is an option if you can afford it. In Australia, it's affordable ($2,000 - $4,000 per year for single cover), and it covers your medical and hospital bills. But US health is unaffordable
Honestly the biggest loss if Canada were to become part of the US would be that Canadians could no longer smugly compare themselves to the US and say “At least we’re not them!”. That’s true, evergreen Canadian culture, as this thread highlights.
Love Charlie. I want to dispel the “free healthcare” theory.
Yes it’s mostly “free” and “doesn’t cost us a dime”, but we pay higher tax rates to achieve this. Essentially we are paying into an “insurance plan”…but we don’t co-pay, or lose it when out of a job. It’s always there. For everyone.
Free at the point of service is a better term, nothing is "free".
Americans pay far more than we do, or any other country with universal healthcare, by a good margin, one third more than the second most expensive country and double what we pay.
“It’s like sex for married men” has been the most useful analog I’ve used regarding free-at-the-point-of-service. Even my hardest core red Republican buddies in the US can pick that up immediately...
Canadians are so fortunate. Here in the US we don't get health care, and many of us go into a lifetime of debt because of that. But hey, we have billionaires. Lots of them, and they couldn't care less about the rest of us.
And we make it through childhood as opposed to the US who has the highest infant mortality of developed nato s and many school shootings. Wouldn’t want to be an American at all!
He was ONE of the creators. This was an accomplishment by many, and it is a disservice to Tommy Douglas to downplay the level of teamwork this required.
If you can ever get in to see one. Average wait time for an orthopedic surgery is 57.7 weeks. Neurosurgery is 46.9 weeks. Oh, but it is “free!” Only about 70% is tax payer funded. The other 30% of their healthcare is pay as needed by the person. It is not “free!!”
My county adds a penny tax for roads every election cycle. I live in SC the roads are ass and all they ever do is put gravel in the potholes 😥 would LOVE to benefit from taxation.
Sadly, I know too many Canadians with serious illnesses like cancer who can only get into see a doctor when it is very--or even too-- late. I hate our system but theirs is not the answer either.
This assumes you can get it. And also follow up appts are hard to get. I am not defending the horrors of our system but we must be careful when holding other systems up as what we should aspire to.
I heard this rumor doctors are hard to get into, is it true? In the US, took my mom 6 months to get into the dermatologist she wanted to see. Would have taken her 8 months to get into the nephrologist in her health system. We shouldn’t be bragging. She waited for the derm but not the other.
The experiences I have heard about are in major metros like
Toronto and with serious illnesses like cancer. They are anecdotes however so I would love to see stats as well.
I was just reading this thread as a Canadian and wondering if my cancer would have been treated the same way in the US. My cancer is stubborn to treat and not cheap, but my specialists are using every known method to treat me. There is no second guessing or worrying about costs.
ACA has been getting more expensive each year as planned. They have increased premiums, co-pays, deductibles, and denials. Yes, there are people who are being well taken care of. Many are not. An increasing # drop out because of the increased premiums~ that’s corporate America.Medicare is next, same
Completely agree -- it's still better than what we had. I was on the ACA since it started. I paid more than my monthly mortgage payment but at least I had coverage. Medicare is far better. I support Medicare for All. And all that does not mean that the Canadian system works well, it does not.
By your logic your system doesn’t work well so it’s worked on to improve it. Pretty much the same as our system provided the conservatives and neo-liberals stop under funding it.
I don’t know any Canadians who have serious illnesses who don’t get care, bladder cancer, breast cancer, CKD, ovarian cancer, kidney failure, lung cancer, etc etc. All were provided with top notch care. Glad your brother is well taken care of ❤️
Thank you. The most cost effective solution would be removal of organ but the best solution for my quality of life is try and save it. Sure people have bad experiences but my friends / relatives who have gone through hell with cancer and other diseases have had the best care.
It's not free. We pay a bit more in taxes and some diagnostics and prescriptions aren't covered. Eyecare and dental is patchy but it is generally stress free and that's really important.
The stress thing is really a defining characteristic of private health care I gotta say. I have decent insurance in the US and I live in fear of actually having to access it, much less what I might have to access it FOR!
Yeah our insurance is ok as well. The most copay we pay for regular visits is $20 BUT it’s through my wife’s job so she technically has to stay. (3 kids)
My mom was dying so the doctors had to do stuff for her and she had to stay in the hospital for 2 weeks. $40k.
Insulin & contraception covered & soon all meds will be. Cancer treatment, surgery (except cosmetic) covered; Dental Care for Seniors & kids & soon everyone without Employee plan; labour, delivery, emergency…taxes cost less than surgery would cost & sliding scale with salary. Rich need to pay more!
Prime Minister Mulroney was asked what it was to live next to the strongest country in the world, said'' It's like being in bed with an elephant, everything's fine till the elephant decides to roll over''
Meanwhile in the U.S. people are so p*ssed off at what's happening with our patchwork healthcare they're killing the people responsible for the suffering in the street. This is what happens when a comparative handful of people are getting staggeringly wealthy with the status quo.
MAGA Kevin O’Leary says he will go to Mar-a-Lago to ‘start the narrative’ about merging Canada with the United States because, “We don’t want Trudeau negotiating this deal.”
“Think about the power of combining the two economies,” O’Leary said.
If you haven't noticed that climate change has changed alot of that. It's becoming too warm here in Canada and the wildlife let's you know. Most brids don't fly south anymore, they have adapted to milder temperatures
And you pay close to half as much for health care and have a life expectancy 3.2 years longer as those of us living in the United States. By the way we are not united in health care. I merged state life expectancy with the CIA's country life expectancy table, Alabama, where I live, ranked 160th.
Canada's health care system has tanked. Waits in ER are hours and sometimes days long due to terrible understaffing. In the past 4 years it has tanked. Quality of care and training has tanked. People are dying waiting for care.
NEVER say your taxes are a little higher due to National healthcare without pointing out that you pay NO PREMIUMS and overall it is cheaper paying the tax. No billion dollar middleman involved. The Dems make that mistake all the time. They don’t hammer home the FULL truth at every opportunity.
2024, pharmaceuticals & health products industry spent $293,701,614 on lobbying, a significant increase from $100 million reported in 2000, which is why we will remain a third world country when it comes to health care. These parasitic companies will contiune to prey on us, reps are paid-off.
I understand from family it takes months to get an appointment nevermind
specialists and if you live in smaller towns there may be no local doctors and would have to travel to the city. No system is perfect but there has to be a balance of both to create a better system for both countries.
That is happening here in America. Where I live, doctors come from bigger cities at least 4 to 6 hours away and they only come on certain days. You have to make appointments months in advance. And if you don’t have insurance heaven help you.
I’m currently sitting in a town of 4500 in Ontario. There is a hospital and a walk in health clinic 500 metres from where I am. You’ve swallowed the propaganda about universal healthcare.
Lived in BC, Alberta, Ontario, Manitoba and Nova Scotia so far. Even in Dirta I found a place up north with decent Health Cate access (but that was when Notely was Premier).
It’s about choosing wisely & remaining a vocal part of the electorate. By vocal I don’t mean Social Media.
“I understand from family it takes months to get an appointment nevermind
specialists and if you live in smaller towns there may be no local doctors and would have to travel to the city.”
Well at least you can make the appointment and you might have to wait for your turn. That is more than people can do in US. Some in US don’t even bother because they can afford to pay for the doctor’s appointment. So thank you Canada doesn’t want to be part of US
One way or another, the medical providers must be paid. Whether it's through taxes, insurance, direct, whatever. It should be simplified in the states to allow everyonecoverage, but I assume those in charge now cannot figure out how to do it. It boggles my mind.
Yes Charlie, but the wait times are out of control now. If you care about this, forget what the US does and look into fixing your back yard. A year to see some specialists is outrageous.
I've never known anyone with a serious illness who wasn't treated by a specialist in a timely manner, myself included... many times over.
Emergency wards: Yes, the wait times are long in many communities, but everyone is triaged according to severity. Same principle in every other advanced country
Depends on the illness and proximity to a larger urban area. Don't blame the system for that; it sends new doctors and medical immigrants to small communities. When my 78-y-old father's doctor found an aneurism near his heart, he was operated on 2 weeks later in Ottawa, 125 km away.
Nice. I do agree that Emergency care is good in Canada, but all the other ill patients that wait 'can wait to be seen", take unreasonably long. A treatable illness often becomes untreatable but the time get to see a specialist.
A treatable illness doesn't become untreatable because of a 12-hr wait in a hospital emergency ward. Maybe in a clinic several hours' drive away from a hospital, but the same is true of any rural community in North America. Again, distance and population density play a role unknown in Europe.
I just agreed with you about Emergency care being good in Canada. I was talking about non-emergent care. 2 different things. I see you understand triage, but 80% of health care is about non life-threatening illness, that's where the wait times come in.
Americans are very sorry for our politicians. A lot of us tried to stop this from happening and it seems the ones that voted for him didn’t understand what they were doing and now regret it… super quickly.
If Canada becomes a state, we want Trudeau to run the whole thing, dude is top tier.
Canada makes up for the thousands of dollars saved by free healthcare by having an insanely high cost of living (this is a joke everyone please chill, I think Canada is based ok)
Yes we pay into it as part of our paychecks. It’s not able to be used until you are 65 years old and MAGA would like to raise the age. Most retired Americans have medigap plans to handle what Medicare won’t cover like dental.
i visited canada way back in HS and i have never forgotten how beautiful and clean everything was. plus, the folks are just lovely. all that, and universal healthcare, too. if they'd have me i would move there.
I want to agree with Charlie. I really do. After all, free access to medical care is our founding myth every much as unfettered access to guns is necessary for freedom to prevail, is the American myth. Both require critical analysis. As both are untrue.
You get what you pay for...you get what you vote for.☑️🗳🤨 Apparently Americans want tax breaks for the wealthy, cuts to their medical & social welfare supports, removal of workers' rights, higher cost-of-living...& the risk of Civil War.😱😡😡😡
If low taxes are your only concern, you are not very well informed. Where your taxes go is what should be the focus. We need our health care and will fight for it.
I would rather pay even higher taxes than I already do just to avoid the problems the USA deals with. I don’t want daily mass shootings, high priced medication, lower education opportunities, less freedom etc. I really see no up side at all. Less taxes and cheap beer. No thanks.
We arent getting anything from the tax cut anyway.except = it will pass a cap gains tax burden onto us while they cut our social security and medicate.its awful right now and we have to get around whats next bc we can never do what we just did (16 and 24) again. We need economis populists heslthcare
I would hope that most are smart enough to realize that this promise from Trump has no basis in reality, just like his promise to lower grocery prices in the US.
We have the same or worse in Australia. Where wealth can be accumulated by numerous ways of avoiding tax. Of course you need money to even begin to play the game. And our politicians are in on it. #auspol
Exactly.its like it’s just all magic or something.then a strike happens,and they’re like”WHAT??You mean they get paid?”
The tax system should be an entire course in high school,not that it would help some
As a democrat not a trumper I have heard the same thing. I have heard its just as racists as the US doesnt deserve the A right now and that you are waiting almost a year for a doctors appointment because of the free health care. Is that true? Id like to know from a Canadian and NOT a RED STATE.
For some procedures,I’ve heard yes,it can be a long wait.Ive heard how hard it is to get a family doctor.I feel we are working on it,though that’s very little comfort.
I’m fortunate enough to be able to talk to my doctor as I’m floating around my blue collar pool.It seems to vary greatly
It's definitely not true in my case or anyone I've ever known. I can see my doctor in 1-2 weeks but if it's urgent they get me in right away. Some specialist appointments can have longer waits, but that's true in the US too. I've never waited long for what I need, and I see a LOT of doctors.
I never heard of Charlie Angus before our idiot wannabe dictator president elect started picking fights with our allies. I'm now a huge fan of Charlie. Like he said, "Canadians are not going to be slapped around by DJT." Go Canada!
Charlie Angus is a national treasure and he has been stepping up to call out bullshit on both sides of the border lately. I’ve always liked him, but I’m becoming more of a fan girl every day!
I try to explain it to Murkans this way: let's say you're hiding in the woods planning to overthrow the government. And you trip over your gun and break your arm. You can go to town, get your arm fixed, and go right back to plotting to overthrow the government again, and it won't cost you nothin!
Leave your weapons at home and come for a visit. You will be surprised at what you see and do. Canada is a democracy that was obtained via the legislative process, not through an act of violence. During the war of 1812, Americans attacked York (Toronto) and burned down legislation.
Even after all the bullshit over the last several years I love America. America is our brother and Im grateful to have them as our neighbour. Despite our own challenges very happy up here in Canada - thank you!
The meth lab analogy is too harsh. More like a bar and we’re a weed lounge
I'm concerned for people with pre-existing conditions who are searching for new jobs. I hope they secure employment before Trump is inaugurated, or they might face difficulties obtaining health insurance.
I wish employers had to publicly disclose salaries and benefits, too many offer the shittiest plans and you can't know to compare until you've been offered the job
I have been told in recent years that it's not acceptable to ask before the offer about salary OR benefits because "it doesn't look like you care about the organizations mission"
At least you can see what your taxes are funding. With so many programs being cut or facing cuts, I want to understand what my taxes support that truly benefits me. Everyday people pay more in taxes than billionaires, we should have more programs available to support us rather than the wealthy.
Most of the taxes anyone pays in any country don’t benefit them personally. Unless you happen to be a minor who is dirt poor and has a chronic disease. Or if you live in the US or Russia and own a weapons factory.
Our taxes fund the programs available to us. While many of these programs are aimed at helping the underprivileged, I'm okay with not personally benefiting from them. What I oppose is cutting these programs to favor the wealthy.
Faux news must be feeding MAGA some incredible bullshit. Had a guy try throw shade on the healthcare system my hubby grew up under - as if he was some authority. I drilled down. Who told you this? I asked. Initially it was “some people who went there.” Turns out Faux was his source. There it is.
Capitalists want to privatize our healthcare. If someone waited 6 years to patch a leg, it’s their fault, not the systems. Or it’s a lie. Likely the latter. 🤦♂️
I am Canadian and I could believe that. Broke the leg 6 years after they entered Canada, then it took 4 hours at the hospital, included examinaton, x-rays, casts, consultation, and made two follow up appts. No bill.
What a lot of Americans miss is: yes, Canadians pay a little more in taxes, but we also pay $0 for health insurance premiums. I have an American friend whose salary is similar to mine - his income tax and health insurance combined each month is higher than my taxes alone.
In Canada? Yes, and I had to wait a few hours - they see urgent cases first of course. Our system is far from perfect, but they won't let me die to save money. No one loses their home because they're sick. You can quit your job and not lose your healthcare. My US friend is trapped in a way I'm not.
Oh, Canada, you stand unburdened by the chaos we face. Meanwhile, a convicted felon,sexual predator, insurrectionist, and failed businessman seeks a return to power here. Bereft of governance skills, he clings to sensationalism. Ignore the spectacle; we’ll navigate this storm and find our way again.
We are also very proud of you for YOUR traditions! Your higher taxes are well worth it for the savings in Healthcare! My hope is that our "dedicated"😅( to themselves) representatives will wake up and learn from our astute neighbors!!!
It does though. He said it right before he said it was free. Their taxes are higher. They’re still paying for healthcare. It’s just not as direct as copays and deductibles we pay in America.
In a more perfect world I would have been part of my Canadian line of ancestors, instead of the ones that went to Michigan and Wisconsin about 100 years ago.
It must hardly seem worth the expense to stay healthy if you get free medical attention when you become ill. It sounds like somebody's plan is working.
Americans thinking universal health care is socialism yet Canadians and Europeans have much higher life expectancies than us. Canadians 83 - Americans 79. You would think we'd figure it out
Trump is a corrupt dictator thin skinned bigot who enriched himself and family via the office. Then got convicted. Is a rapist. The religious right and GOP is welcome to their hero. We don't want him.
We live in an age of Discontent.
Our syndrome:
"Grass is greener on the other side."
Family life is better in Canada.
We have forgotten:
Gratitude & Thankfulness even on Thanksgiving Day.
We're hollow Inside.
Inner link connects us to
Humanity outside.
Mismatch leads to:
Mental health/peace!
There are many Americans who seriously want a national healthcare system no matter who advocates for it. There's simply too much against it in the US, a mixture of lies, half-truths, and greedy selfishness, to be able to do it in the US.
Teddy Roosevelt would have secured universal healthcare in 1915. Sadly the nation was overrun by eugenicists at the time. They were happy as pie to do without as long as the people they hated had to do without too, and we're still wallowing in it. Courtesy of Fredrick Ludwig Hoffman.
I am Canadian. I know Americans think they live in the “greatest country in the world”. I don’t know what country is. I am fortunate to be born where I was. From what I have seen in the USA. I know the greatest county is not the USA. They have some nice places and people.
I applaud every country that treats their citizens respectfully enough to have universal health care as a RIGHT OF CITIZENSHIP! Food, housing; education & health care should ALL BE GUARANTEED TO EVERY CITIZEN OF EVERY COUNTRY!
I agree entirely. Canada is not doing well enough yet on food, and housing. We can do better on the others. We are not perfect but the right goals and values are the beginning of the path to better.
No country is perfect but each country’s goal should be to learn & adopt “BEST PRACTICES” (tried & proven) from other countries to attempt to improve its home country & the lives of its citizens! That would be “INTELLIGENT GOVERNING!” (tho 1 size doesn’t fit all)
Very true. We have had my friend visiting from Australia. Canada, Australia and NZ are much more similar to each other than the USA. Our respective governments often have similar policies.
Spot on! The benefits of living in a ‘social’ democracy where one of the basic tenets is ‘compassion’… a word that neo-liberalist, greed-driven capitalism have erased from the lexicon … as in your lower neighbours, both geographically and morally.
Same reason I’m happy to pay my Medicare premiums here in Australia although I also have private health insurance. It’s the right thing to do for the good of the country.
How good is having free or low cost medical care in a country. I can say from experience it is awesome! Well done Canada and a bunch of other countries for caring for their people.
Because your taxes are higher. It does cost people to go to the doctor. The people who live and pay taxes pay for the “free”healthcare. It also has long waiting lists and people still go to other countries to seek medical treatment.
No Canadians go bankrupt because of medical debt. Yes, we pay for healthcare through our taxes and tax rates are based on income. That means everyone can get care, even the working poor. No, we do not pay to see an MD. Does the system have problems? Yes. Is a US type system the solution? Hell no!!
I would also venture to say that the healthcare is not as innovative or advanced as the USA. This is one reason why it costs more. Private healthcare does not have the bureaucratic bs to go through to make changes and to adopt new technologies.
You admit you have poor though. Thought your form of government was supposed to eliminate that? I would venture to bet that certain people still get preference over others when it comes to care being provided. Just like in the USA.
There’s always room for improvement but conservative governments work actively to undermine our HC for their corporate buddies to move in on it. That said I live in a country that covers a 30k a year med & it’s not the norm to go bankrupt or die because you can’t afford care.
Reasons for higher costs includes higher innovation and advanced technologies being used, plus the healthcare entities writing off bills people do not pay. Those costs get passed on to others.
Norm or not, it shouldn’t happen at all, especially in a wealthy country. I’ve seen enough from US friends (1 who lost her business & home) to know your prices are inflated because of for profit healthcare (more costly with same or often worse outcomes) Ends up ethically indefensible.
There are people who choose to use private healthcare even when government funded is available. That speaks volumes about how it isn’t as ideal as it’s made out to be.
Maybe so but that doesn’t mean Canadian healthcare is necessarily better. We have government funded healthcare for veterans. It is not something most people I know would want for their healthcare.
And let us not forget that during the ACA debates in 2009-2010, the health insurance industry spent $1B to oppose the inclusion of a public option, which would have established a government-run health insurance plan to compete with private insurers. This is why I pay $930 each month for insurance.
To put that into context, you pay US$11,160 for your health insurance every year PLUS taxes, while a Canadian earning CAD$100,000 per year pays ~CAD$20,000 (~US$13870) per year in taxes, period.
$100,000 per year is a comfortable amount, even in expensive cities like Vancouver & Toronto.
Right. And after I pay the $930 premium each month, I still have deductibles, out-of-pocket expenses, and prescriptions to pay before the insurance kicks in.
And a few Dems in the Senate, such as Max Baucus (Montana), Mary Landrieu (Louisiana), Ben Nelson (Nebraska), and Joe Lieberman (I-Connecticut), joined their Repug colleagues in defeating the public option.
Unbelievable to have such a large insurance bill every month. Is everything covered: surgery, meds, labour & delivery, etc? Oh, & we have one year Mat leave after birth or adoption which can be only for Mom or split between parents.
I have a “Silver Plan”—so not Gold or platinum, but it covers most of what I need. However, I still have to pay deductibles, out-of-pocket, etc. Even as a retiree (just a couple years shy of Medicare), I earn just a tad too much to qualify for the ACA discount rates…the income threshold is so low.
There is pressure to change our universal healthcare and it is very concerning. I wish Canadians would make it a priority and demand that our healthcare is well funded and safe from greedy investors. It is supposed to keep us healthy not be a source of wealth for investors!
We need for every Canadian to be educated on how our transfer payments work and hold our premiers fully accountable. They're the ones who effed up our health transfers. Them. Every single one of them.
Canada has Medical Assistance In Dying, that alone in itself destroys any usefulness or credibility their healthcare system has. If there's one country in which socialized healthcare is working well, it's definitely not Canada
Please expand. Is assisting people to end their lives with dignity worse than lengthening a life of extreme pain and suffering for a few weeks a bad thing?
From what I understand MAID is now being suggested for a lot of things that it shouldn't be involved in, such as mental issues like depression and bipolar (planned for 2027). The state having a vested interest in your death will never sit right with me, whether it's through healthcare or otherwise
I don't know much about the Canadian health care system, but I assume that there isn't a group of lobbyists between the person in need of medical care, and the insurance executives who run the U.S. health care system for the benefit of their shareholders.
Then you have never been denied essential medical coverage by a medical insurance peer for a son that was born so premature that he would have died if the Creator had not blessed me with the financial resources to pay for his medical care.
I know, and I thank you for you thoughts. I've grieved for the 23 years my son has been alive for the parents who did not have the financial resources to keep their babies alive.
Nope. Canada Health Plan. Only problem Health Care is Provincial under our Constitution & some provinces (usually Conservative) misuse Federal funding & are slowly trying to privatize care!
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they look extremely similar.
but considerably lower % of complete assholes up there.
it makes a big difference.
Canadians are far more polite. We apologize when we walk into a post.
Canadians are far more compassionate. We have a huge number of social safety nets (and continually expanding that) - and look after our most vulnerable.
And we like our distinctiveness!
Politicians here stepped back from their post because they were found out plagiarizing in their doctorate and those shitheads voted a convicted felon, tax fraud and seriel rapist.
What the fuck
I could forgive MAGA for voting him in once, but not again. 😒
#ColorBiasIsRacialBias
#ChangeLanguageChangeMinds
Calm down, big shoots.
Trudeau has severely mismanaged Canada and its time for new leadership, especially with out of control migration.
And good luck to him because there is a lot that needs to get done.
I don't slavishly adhere to his program e.g. climate change, but he is what is needed right now.
I'd rather be in Norway.
#trump
#canadianpolitics
#politics
#trudeau
Trust is not cheap.
Got her RV searched declaring that they’d never take all her guns lol… all held, no penalty.
Laughs though…
Federal taxes are near identical to US Fed taxes. We get Medical & Dental included though.
The Prov. (or state) charges more (or less) taxes on top.
And, it could be the art. One has to produce things people like.
US boasts school shootings.
Canada has school outings.
Women have no rights in the USA.
I could go on, but I’ll leave it at that.
While Quebec has odd Controls, all Provinces except NFL have rent controls. Most 2-2.5%
If we move to poverty I have fresh data to compare for the Countries.
Thank you 🙏🏻
Has anyone ever in their lives broken it down as well?
I love our Canadian neighbors.
Yes it’s mostly “free” and “doesn’t cost us a dime”, but we pay higher tax rates to achieve this. Essentially we are paying into an “insurance plan”…but we don’t co-pay, or lose it when out of a job. It’s always there. For everyone.
Americans pay far more than we do, or any other country with universal healthcare, by a good margin, one third more than the second most expensive country and double what we pay.
The prices for service and insurance in the US is mind bending.
I just get tired when people say “must be nice to have free healthcare” without knowing how we arrived at it.
Health care doesn't cost a dime once you're in the door. Whenever that is.
Toronto and with serious illnesses like cancer. They are anecdotes however so I would love to see stats as well.
My mom was dying so the doctors had to do stuff for her and she had to stay in the hospital for 2 weeks. $40k.
Gonna take a lot of money I don’t have though lmao.
Lead on!
EXACTLY 💯💯💯
“Think about the power of combining the two economies,” O’Leary said.
- Common currency
- Open trade
- EU-type passport
specialists and if you live in smaller towns there may be no local doctors and would have to travel to the city. No system is perfect but there has to be a balance of both to create a better system for both countries.
ER for unknown fall by mom last week was 4 hours from entry to diagnosis and release with heart medication.
It’s up to Provinces to use the Federal Health budget.
Tell your family to move or vote better.
Lived in BC, Alberta, Ontario, Manitoba and Nova Scotia so far. Even in Dirta I found a place up north with decent Health Cate access (but that was when Notely was Premier).
It’s about choosing wisely & remaining a vocal part of the electorate. By vocal I don’t mean Social Media.
specialists and if you live in smaller towns there may be no local doctors and would have to travel to the city.”
It’s the same in the US!
Emergency wards: Yes, the wait times are long in many communities, but everyone is triaged according to severity. Same principle in every other advanced country
If Canada becomes a state, we want Trudeau to run the whole thing, dude is top tier.
I was supposed to be Canadian.
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I have a lot of realatives in Canada. I have heard terrible stories. The wealthy go to the US to get decent health-care.
None of this is funny anymore
Traitors by virtue of being too stupid and bigoted to think for themselves.
The tax system should be an entire course in high school,not that it would help some
I’m fortunate enough to be able to talk to my doctor as I’m floating around my blue collar pool.It seems to vary greatly
The meth lab analogy is too harsh. More like a bar and we’re a weed lounge
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If these are truly "benefits packages" they should be public, along with the salary to attract talent.
However it's 2024 and many big companies do not offer what they did years ago.
(I would still ask, but not everyone does)
https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2024/12/30/Protecting-Canada-US-Oligarchs/
47,000 Canadians have died from fentanyl
Charlie Angus is a 🤡
Our syndrome:
"Grass is greener on the other side."
Family life is better in Canada.
We have forgotten:
Gratitude & Thankfulness even on Thanksgiving Day.
We're hollow Inside.
Inner link connects us to
Humanity outside.
Mismatch leads to:
Mental health/peace!
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1276158510955401216.html
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Kinda like the metric system…
$100,000 per year is a comfortable amount, even in expensive cities like Vancouver & Toronto.
Be well !
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