I see some people are upset with our topic Checkup Sunday. With President Trump repeating his "51st state" comments, we feel it is important to talk about. Even better, for Americans to hear our voices via the NPR stations that will be simulcasting.
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It's the same vein of ridiculous to ask such a question, as Trump is using his presidency for. Just cause enough chaos, maybe nobody notices lack of skill and understanding, and a pile of money missing. Since you asked.
I’m sorry, but this is actually a threat to Canadian sovereignty, not just some “comments”.
I expect the CBC to provide factual content to Canadians - rather than join the garbage so many of the American-owned MSM push out. Cancel or treat this topic with the seriousness it deserves.
Appalled
They are a cheap way of filling the broadcast schedule. And sometimes quite dangerous. It allows the unhinged a platform with no moderation. CBC just added another call in show on Saturday afternoons. Are they trying to get PP to back off?
It's only worth discussing his clickbait comments because a lot of people still take him and his show seriously. Continuing Rex's legacy of right-wing bs.
I can now finally agree that it’s time to defund the national broadcaster and kick it to the curb. “Discussing” the “proposal” for Americans to hear “our voices” is normalizing the threat for the benefit of a foreign audience & is not serving Canadians well.
I'll never agree with defunding because that's what RWers want, and it would only serve them. The CBC still does lots of good work. Fire the people responsible for this travesty of a show instead and hire people who understand this moment in time, and want to serve Canada rather than their own egos.
Giving this topic any legitimacy by continuing to discuss it threatens the sovereignty of our nation. The world is in a very dangerous spot right now. Fanning the flames in the meth lab downstairs will help no one. Especially Canadians. Our natural resources are being eyed with greed.
You could do a show instead on the rise of Canadian unity while the US shoots itself in its democracy.
Please rethink your show. Don’t feed the fascist monster.
I’m so glad all these comments are telling you what a terrible show idea this is. It is insulting to us and opportunistic. Interviewing to glory in being shit disturber. Not nice. I will Not be listening.
MANY are livid on Threads. Your topic is “What would Canada as the 51st state mean to you?”
Inviting opinions from Canadians and Americans.
You are repeating the fascist language, amplifying and normalizing this threat. There should be NO town hall about this threat against Canada’s sovereignty.
Not upset with your topic rather the headline. Using the American rhetoric is pandering to Americans rather than standing with Canadians. "Even better, for Americans to hear our voices via the NPR stations" - speaks volumes. Stop sane washing the 'tag line'. It should not be repeated.
Speculating, giving any credence to American annexation or taking it as a joke is wrong. My family was destroyed in WW2, I feel the intergenerational trauma deeply as a 1st generation Canadian. History doesn't repeat but it certainly rhymes. I'm having nightmares it seems for my late father.
I am also feeling like I am in a living nightmare. I was raised on stories of the “annexation” of Poland and saw extended family living under Russian occupation. No, this is
NOT a joke.
So you are willing to talk about the thousands that have died in Ukraine, the women who were raped the children who were kidnapped and the destruction of vibrant cities. No, that’s a hard pass.
Upset is the wrong word. Don't grant the premise of the autocrat. It's not an intellectual exercise. Have a convo about historical context. About history repeating itself. About the capitulation of the media. NPR did a story about this over a week ago. Do better, CBC.
Nothing wrong with the topic, but the “51st state” framing is completely irresponsible. Especially for the public broadcaster. Why not use something like “threats of annexation”, “attacks on Canadian sovereignty” or something similar?
Cross-posted to @brodiefenlon.bsky.social
Do better!
Read George Lakoff, you fool. As others have pointed out, you could have framed a useful discussion without repeating and normalizing the egregious framing provided by our new economic and political enemies to the south.
Agee 💯 They obviously don't understand the way discussions normalize ideas that are false to make them be more legitimate. Our journalists have to learn more about calling out propaganda.
I think people are upset by the framing, not that it's happening. There's a different way of framing the conversation without using Trump's talking points. "What do the repeated threats to Canada's sovereignty mean to you?" "What would it mean to you if the US annexed Canada against its will?"
🤬the way the episode is being framed is legitimizing the notion of 🇨🇦 losing its sovereignty. Shame on you! CPC wants to end the CBC &this Canadian has spoken out in defense of it my whole life, but after watching Barton's BS during the Carney interview &now this crap-maybe they are right? Do better
As many others have said: it’s not the topic; it’s the framing of the topic. Ukraine doesn’t talk about Russia’s “Special Military Operation”. Why would we normalize aggressor state language in our own context?
This is not fighting for the home team. Our lives are upside down because we sold them oil too cheap. No sorry, it was fentanyl. No, no, it's Banks. It's gangs. Here's retaliatory tariffs. It's no military protection unless we're 51st state. Get a Canadian spine.
Trump normalizes a previously absurd idea, pushing it closer to mainstream debate. You’re accepting the premise of the question - that Canada’s sovereignty as negotiable, when it is not.
Some people is an understatement, why would you ask such a tone deaf question. It is not important to discuss, it’s important to tell that orange buffoon where to go and that’s it, end of discussion.
Trump's idiocies are meant to be distractions. You are playing into his hand by having this discussion in any form. Use the air time to discuss how to prevent him from destroying everything and how to prevent this from ever happening again. Just say NO to fascism. Control the narrative.
Of course Canadians are upset and angered over this topic. Why on earth would our national broadcaster choose to frame this discussion as a fait accompli?? Shame on CBC and Checkup Sunday producers!!
Here are the dangers the CBC is encouraging with this show. I don't want to be bombarded with 51st state crap everywhere I go!! Time to shut down this entire topic. We are CANADIANS AND ALWAYS WILL BE
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The incredible ratio on this post should tell CBC something. Will they listen? Had another sleepless night of panic attacks from fear of my country being invaded by nazi crackpots - I'm sure I'm not alone. This is a NATIONAL THREAT not a fucking conversation!
Seriously?? You want to have a "conversation" with the people threatening to annex us and tariff us into submission so we can share what this illegal move means to us 🙄 Does @cbcnews-rss.bsky.social even realize trump is dismantling US democracy and calls himself King?
Can we please refer o him as the one who’s name we will not mention- he craves the attention and thinks we aren’t strong nor deserving of our sovereignty- let’s call the states the 11th province and see how that goes over 🇨🇦🇨🇦
@ianhanomansing.bsky.social A better topic would have been to hear from Canadians on how they are supporting Canada in the face of threats from the US. I’d rather hear how our country is standing together than hear from even one Canadian who might agree with tearing it apart. Do better.
Many of us are scared to hell, we need to hear inspiring actions, share ideas of what we can do to cope and to do oir part to defend/protect our country and each other.
So infuriating & disappointing CBC would be a such a quisling! This topic isn’t a thought experiment like the Ship of Theseus or an opportunity for folks to play ‘what about’isms?’ The existential threat that has been uttered isn’t up ‘for discussion’ - this isn’t a negotiation
It appalls me that the CBC is framing this whole discussion as a normal, regular thing to be musing about & not for the first time. Of course it is part of the discourse but there has to be a way to talk about it without acting as if it is a lighthearted story and not a threat to our sovereignty.
The way this Sunday’s topic is phrased makes it sound like we are discussing a choice between white or whole wheat toast.
Talking about an aggressor nation threatening our sovereign nation isn’t a topic for a “conversation”.
i will have my ears glued to the radio this weekend. Will the USA break into parts like the Pakistan / India / East Pakistan (Bangladesh) partition, with violent mass migrations?
I recall ID4 2017. NPR reading the declaration of independance that put whitehouse into panic Orson Welles mode :)
Talk about it? Sure. But this framing is tone deaf and wrong. A serious lapse in judgment and situational awareness. Canadians deserve better in these fraught and galling times. #CBC @ianhanomansing.bsky.social
The framing of the question implies this is a possibility to be considered in a milquetoast manner like “what does turkey mean for you at Thanksgiving?” I am a strong supporter of the CBC but the tone of this question belies the serious nature of this threat.
As an American w family in BC/AB & who sees how influx of US RW ideology has already deeply changed their communities over the past couple of decades, you need to treat this as the indisputable threat it is, not as a topic for good faith debate. JMO.
People aren’t angry that you’re discussing it; we’re angry that you’re treating it as a legitimate option. By treating it as just another policy idea, you’re normalising violent threats against our nation.
If your stated goal is as you say in the your post, then the question posed totally misses the mark. Many American officials, who are not the sort to be listening to NPR, already talk glibly about invading Canada. It is disgusting that the CBC, who I've long supported, who give any oxygen to this.
Nope. We don’t need to talk about it. Real Canadians don’t want it. There is no rationale for his threats. It will be a very boring discussion. Any Canadian who wants to be American can move there.
Ian, please stop throwing softballs at what is a full-on threat to our country and democracies around the world. There is a coup occurring in the US by Russian assets. They are destroying their pillars from within. CBC is one of the few not owned by US interests. Raise👏the👏alarms! 🔥🔥🔥
They really should NOT be centering Americans right now and in fact, they should be talking about how connected our right wing is to the Americans so the majority of Canadians can be INFORMED properly but, they never do.
FYI I don't like Bernie even though the press is in love with him. I worked campaigns that he was involved with and he is one nasty piece of work who loves attention. He was in power for 30 yrs and only named two post offices. Talks big, does nothing. I used to like him. The more you know.
Lastly what got me most was black women voters hated him and the media erased them in favour of kissing Bernie's ass. It was racism in action and Bernie knew BW didn't support him. He could have said SOMETHING to reach out. He just got more and more oppositional to them.
"Identity politics don't matter" and this great one "Abortion is a wedge issue, we don't need to talk about that." I was DONE with him.T he media loves him and he loves the media. Fun fact. His support was 70% young, white and MALE. They act like everybody loved him. NO, not true.
The far right in this country is going to eat this up with a spoon. Ford is already selling us to Elon and you are normalizing this? We are SUNK. Ian, you live in a bubble. Canadians out here are more at risk than you are. You are the last stronghold of Canadian owned media. Act like it.
Here's something that is important to talk about. Doug Ford's seeking out of Elon Musk. Giving him the 100 million. Spending tens of millions during a FOX interview with President Musk/Trump AND that tunnel thing? Elon owns a boring company. Ford is selling us OUT and you need to spotlight THAT.
Smith, Ford & Houston have obeyed in advance! Houston is refusing to do traditional interviews AND closing down the communications department. He is pushing an omnibus bill through to fire our AG w/o cause or have to tell us why or anything the AG does from that point on 🙄😶 he is in DC now actually
Doug Ford was so cocky to call this election. I hope it backfires on his face. I am livid that he keeps going to the US under the guise of fighting the tariffs when in actuality he is schmoozing with the fascist nazi’s.
💯 - Ford is a Trump & Musk supporter. Buyer beware. Let’s vote out Ford & use https://votewell.ca or https://smartvoting.ca to support whoever has best choice of beating the CON in your riding. If my riding does this, Ford loses.
They are legacy parties that are going NO WHERE apart. We need a bold new move and I'm tired of the arguing between them while the world burns down. If they cared they'd join forces TODAY.
Yes, and we needed that months ago! We needed it the second time Ford won. I honestly don't see how it's allowed for anyone to be Premier for 12 god damned years anyway!
Can we acknowledge you’re highlighting exactly the last riding where you should be blindly trusting the Smart Voting assumptions? It was an NDP stronghold from 2007 until the last election, when the NDP still came in a close second with its former MPP running as an independent.
That is a perfect example of splitting the vote & why we should avoid it. And things have changed since the last election. I would prefer Marit Stiles as Premier but the NDP do not have the support they used to in this area. I want ABC and using tools like https://votewell.ca or https://smartvoting.ca can help.
The point is that *they’re the opposite of helpful if they point voters in the wrong direction* - which this likely does both by ignoring the unusual circumstances of the 2022 result, and applying a uniform provincial swing from there which doesn’t reflect actual conditions in the riding.
We need to unite the left to avoid another CON majority. I did phone banking for an organization in this area yesterday & we focused on ridings where support is high for NDP. Sadly East Hamilton/ Stoney Creek is NOT one of them so voting ABC is my best option.
Elon and his companies should be BANNED from Canada!! Look how he intermittently shut off StarLink to Ukraine, how Drump is using it as a 'bargaining chip' to steal from Ukraine! Look what Elon's 'X' has been doing in Germany's election!!!
Ford’s determination to keep Ontario dependant on Musk contract has become even more dangerous as the U.S. government has weaponized Starlink to take Ukraine’s mineral resources. You can bet Musk would easily do something similar to ON and other countries
It's even worse
"The company awarded a $750-million contract to tunnel the Scarborough subway is partially owned by a Russian oligarch sanctioned by Ottawa following the invasion of Ukraine, the Star has learned." May 15th 2022
Once he's back in, we're all in for a very rude awakening ... people need to show up and pick the candidate in their riding most likely to beat the conservative candidate. I don't care who it is. Vote for them.
I did but, this having to pick this way? Most people don't do that and that's why we end up with Cons even though we are the majority. These legacy parties need to go.
THIS. This is the most important topic right now. A Canadian premier selling our most populated province to Musk. This is an outrage. And it’s time Canadian media started highlighting THAT. Stop aiding and abetting a hostile takeover of our country!!!!!
And do it BEFORE the damned election. They would if Trudeau was doing this. I'm so tired of them concern trolling us after the fact when it doesn't matter anymore because the criminal is in power again.
You should not even be normalizing that kind of talk. They aren't going to "hear our voices" They are going to think this is an open door to at least "talk about it." You are normalizing this. The answer to being a 51st state is a NO. NO is a complete sentence. It doesn't require pontification!
I think they took that tack because NPR probably wanted it in order to do this deal. It's all about the bullshit with everything anymore and nothing to do with us lowly citizens.
Canadian politeness can be mistaken for weakness - it can also be a weakness.
We need to do our talking with our fists. Let them make a move, get punched in the nose, and then maybe talk.
51st state my ass
Better dead than red, white and blue
Nationalism is never as cool as it feels, I promise. A war between our two nations would be an unmitigated tragedy, and no amount of national spunk or spirit or whatever can overcome material conditions. 90% of your population lives within 100mi of our borders -- it would be absolute chaos at best
So, maybe don't threaten people.
And our national spunk has kept us sovereign against an aggressive neighbour since 1776
I spent 30 years in the army, I know a little bit about war, and a bit about Americans.
So let me say it again
5d1st state my ass
Better dead than red, white and blue
Since we're beaking off, where are the citizens of the US? So much as a whiff of totalitarian takeover in S. Korea or France, + all hell breaks loose. Meanwhile, a lunatic billionaire buys y'all for 10¢ on the dollar + whoo, boy, the coup is d'etat! Meanwhile, eggs + hockey are your only concerns.
Attacks on Canada from American soil, up to a thousand or more armed Fenians, continued until 1871.
The US government had formal invasion plans up until the beginning of WW 2.
Even now, the 10th Mtn Division at Fort Drum, has detailed plans to seize the St Lawrence seaway to "protect." it.
Focus on the smouldering wreck your country has become instead of lecturing us about our “spunk and spirit” to defend our sovereignty. Many Americans here support 🇨🇦 in standing up to your “Bully King.” As someone else said—MYOB!
Save your condescending and sanctimonious rhetoric. We aren't the ones who want this fight, but sure as hell aren't going to back down and submit to a fascist dictator. If you don't want a war between our countries, then don't start one. We will never bend, we will never break.
That convoy was partially funded by Elon Musk yet somehow that was never some outrage in this country. They're doing up here exactly what the media did down there. Same thing is happening in the U.K and Germany. The world is in trouble.
My husband and I are loyal CBC Radio listeners, including your show. We are furious you’re engaging in sanewashing this issue when Canada is already deeply vulnerable on the economic and security fronts. Shame on you. This topic requires firm and consistent refutation, not polite discussion.
Why talk to Americans about this question. They don’t get a say in our sovereignty. There are no two sides. The topic should be how to protect our country from annexation, period.
I get the intent. Americans are largely unaware of our thoughts on the matter. I can see this being a fishing attempt to get them to listen.
But this is a serious misread of the mood in Canada. It feels like a framing to get *very* angry Canadians to call in. Things could get out of hand fast.
With an Ontario election at hand. Wouldn't it be better to ask Doug Ford about the $100 million dollar Starlink contract. Elon is threatening Ukraine to cut off Starlink of they don't hand over their mineral resources. What will he do to us to get our resources? Doug also meeting with Washington
Handing the ability to leverage the province to Elon Musk is exceedingly unwise, given the observations with Ukraine.
How was Doug able to cancel the contract on principle, and then reverse his choice with integrity? Placing anything under the control of America at this juncture is wildly careless.
D F puts us in danger with this contract. Big question is why he’s chosen EM to provide the service rather than a Canadian service. He usually acts for his personal benefit and to the detriment of services to taxpayers.
It was tone deaf to the mood of the country, glad it was changed. As someone else has said here: "If you want a X-border conversation, don’t start with their premise. Start with ours." This is not a time for clickbait.
It's a bullshit tactic, from a lying bullshit artist, it's reality tv dealing schtick, and treating it as anything but an insult and a farce is giving the offerer more respectability than he has ever earned. The idea that the CBC would have a program that even pretended to take it seriously is crazy
This is so irresponsible. Why are you bending over for the Americans? Why are you even entertaining this bulshit? You're getting played for a useful idiot. And if this is what the CBC has become, idgaf if Polio Poilievre defunds you. Is *that* the goal?
I was born in Cape Breton. My folks emigrated to Detroit. I lived in the US most of my life. While the average American might unthinkingly feel that everyone wants to be American, only MAGA zealots and malcontents believe this Canada/Greenland/Cuba nonsense.
This is embarrassing.
How tone-deaf can the CBC get. This is nothing more than normalizing the rantings of a lunatic by providing a platform. You are fuelling the fire. The very least that should have been done was to have a title focused on Canadian sovereignty rather than paving his path.
If he’s picked Trumps side he should for sure be removed from our public broadcast system immediately. Ian? CBC? What side are YOU on? How do YOU feel about Canadians being threatened by a shithole fascist state?
If they don't want to talk about how California, Oregon and Washington should become provinces, then stop entertaining a fascist dictator's insane notion that 10 provinces would choose to get 2 US senators and have less representation than the Dakotas.
That presumes we even would get representation. I see no reason to assume any annexation would result in that, even if the US were not in the process of becoming a fascist state. Republicans never wanted Puerto Rico as a state either. No, we would be (possibly occupied) territory without any say.
I don’t disagree that it is important for US citizens to hear our opinions, but they also kinda have their hands full trying to ward off the dictator they elected. It still seems like normalizing or downplaying. Where is the outrage? Where is the defence of our country?
Your framing question is completely abhorrent. Stop sanewashing the words of a convicted felon with dementia. Frame the conversation on how we feel about a threat to our morals and values. How we feel about a threat to our existence. You should actually be ashamed of yourself Ian.
Wake up. This not one of those “everyone is passionate so we’re on the right track” topics. Instead, use your voice to focus on real issues like the racist and reckless actions taken by the new US administration and ask why so many Americans don’t seem to care and what can be done to stop it.
I am further if someone said they were going to come and take your house … would you open that up…. No, the same here No… frame it differently…. “What do you think about the orange bully” would frankly be more accurate
Ian, I have yoyal respect for you, but I am absolutly fed up with how the media treats what is a kind of disturbing bullying/pathology a legitimacy. If the scoolyard bully says they are going to take your bike, the principle does not have a open discussion on the merrit of the question.
I’ve been a proud CBC supporter and a huge fan. But this changes things. This is tone deaf. It’s normalizes an insane threat. It’s giving voice to a bully. It’s what he does. Repeat the insane until it seems sane. You’re eating out of his palm. Please please CBC rethink this and do better.
If you get ratio’d this hard … read the room. Time to reframe the conversation. There is a different way that gets to a more important conversion about what Canada should do in this moment.
Hanging in there, mostly. Worried for friends and family and neighbors more than me. Trying to do what I can but wish it was more. Also frustrated some folks with power to stop or slow at least some of this aren't using it fully. Sigh.
This is gross, and you're gross for doing it. Tart it up all you like, but nothing good comes of it, and you should be ashamed. Seriously, you're asking "what would getting invaded by a fascist lunatic mean to you." Like, you need to ask? Fucking dead stupid.
Ian, I have a huge amount of respect for you and your work, but any conversation that is a “debate” about Trump’s 51st state comments is completely asinine. Do better, JFC.
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Your framing of this makes it seem like everyone should entertain this preposterous statement. The way you ask this question is actually quite offensive. Quit making this sound like it is a topic for casual conversation, it’s our sovereignty you are toying with. Do better.
Read the room and change the name and tone of the event.
“Thoughts on the unilateral/illegal attack on Canadian sovereignty”
Do we really have to dust off the “words have power cliche’ ?”
It is very much NOT important to talk about it, unless it is a guest from Ukraine to talk about winning an asymmetrical war. How we feel about the issue is that it shouldn't be normalized. Asking how we feel about it makes it sound possible.
If we changed it from ending Canada, to where someone started threatening to end YOU, and then other people were like "Well, it's important we have a CONVERSATION about ending Ian", you'd be like "DA FUQ, THEY TRYIN' *KILL* ME AND Y'ALL SERIOUSLY HAVING THIS CONVO RIGHT NOW?!?"
I agree that indigenous rights and interests ought to have been at the forefront of this issue from the start. That said, presenting this as a "both sides" issue to an American audience is just sane washing Trump's depraved ideas. It should be framed as "We're not interested, and here's why."
Put the shoe on the other foot if Americans were threatened repeatedly Ambassadors would be recalled. They would not be pandering to us to discuss feelings and thoughts. How about asking how they're feeling under the boot of their elected felon.
This is outrageous. Repeating Trump's framing as if it's normal and legitimate. You need to change this. Now more than ever does the national broadcaster need to be the voice of Canada. This is not it.
As a regular watcher, the 'sane washing' of what is happening south of us is infuriating. This is how Trump got elected. This is a five alarm fire. Stop normalizing it. Use your platform to help Canadians see the dangers and start fact checking our own politicians.
American here- you are 100% spot on with your comments. Speak boldly, call him out, and get your fellow Canadians pissed about what Trump says. He obviously doesn't care for any of you, so don't normalize his bull shit. Demand more from your press.
I filled this out because imo someone amplifying a crazy person’s idea for Canada to stop existing is not up for any discussion! Canada is a sovereign country! Can you imagine the out of context sound bites Fox News is going to have? To use to further the crazy idea Canada should stop existing?
If the CBC will not stand up for Canada, why should we listen? The more you sane-wash the insanity coming from the US, the more the stupid Canadians think it ain’t so bad. STOP IT. Canadians will fight for the CBC but not if you’re gonna be Fox Light. MSNBC doesn’t sane wash this. Take a cue.
Ian, I'm sure you meant well because I've listened to you for years. The question just needed to be worded a little differently. 😊 Might be a spicy show.
1. Talking about it = amplifies it = legitimzes it. 2. The focus of their topic, that they threaten, is them. 3. We need the focus on us = legitimize us! 4. Put the focus on us! Don't tiptoe around our interests!
This is a disaster. Don't get it so wrong. It's basic communication.
This reminds me of the “Vaccines cause autism” debate. The press said they had to give both sides of the topic even coverage. One side had one quack and the other had every scientist ever. There weren’t two sides. But now we have children dying because their parents heard a 50/50 debate.
This, in fact, is just how MAGA constantly turns lies into entrenched beliefs. Imagine thinking it's a good idea to even give these people an inch, when you know damn well they will take a mile.
My teen came home the other day and said they don’t really care about school or what they put in their body anymore because we’ll be dead in a few months when the Americans come to kill us.
Nice neighbours to have a cross county chit-chat with!!!
I get this is great publicity for the CBC, and by extension, for you, but why even entertain this insanity?
No one on this side of the border is interested in becoming the 51st state, and most people I know on the other side are horrified by Trump's bully talk.
Like you said - it’s publicity for him. Would be hard for him to purchase the airtime he’s about to get. This is for him. $. Not for us at all. Really awful.
You and your producers are wrong here. You should never engage with an abuser. We should not be normalizing the thought by having a discussion. I don’t care what Americans think on this idea, because it is a hard NO! Full stop. You should pivot the topic of this show to something else.
And this is how you properly manage having to live with a narcissist or someone with antisocial personality disorder in your life. YOU DON’T ENGAGE. You do not enter their bizarre warped world and try to reason yourself out. You get the hell away and give them NOTHING to engage with at all.
The framing of this issue as "well what would this look like/mean to you" gives credence to an idea that is offensive to this country at a fundamental level. We're not 'just talking this through'. We're being threatened with annexation. The public broadcaster should respond appropriately.Outrageous.
It's clear from the feedback you've received that this was a mistake. Cancel your plans, apologize, and switch to a positive topic - maybe which Canadian companies people are discovering? 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
Indeed he’s not. He has shown a consistent ability to get in trouble with topics and guests that should have been easy to avoid. The sheer lack of judgement is concerning
It begs the question what is senior CBC management doing? Ian has been a serious credibility issue for the CBC for a while. We’re way past the point where they need to take action
Blue sky tends to be a very CBC friendly crowd. I am (was?).
So these are the people who would fight hard for the continued funding of the CBC. And he’s getting badly ratioed by the very people they need to have in their corner. Hope he’s listening.
I really, really, really hope you’re reading these comments. You have no obligation to “both sides” the insane ramblings of a dictator and a rapist. Do better, for fuck sake.
Absolutely not, Ian.
I have great respect for you, but don’t give this any more oxygen than it has already consumed. Rational Americans have already dismissed this notion.
Maybe frame the question so it doesn't sound like Canadians are blandly musing over whether or not this would be a good thing. The majority are horrified by the prospect!
Maybe don’t ask the question. It is not seemly for our national broadcaster to put the onus on Canadians to go publicly grovel. The threat of annexation is a military matter for Canada and our allies.
It's concerning that the CBC should want to legitimize this issue by using it as show fodder. I agree that this question should not be being asked by our own national broadcaster
The "discussion" about the "proposal" by the 2X impeached 94X indicted 34X convicted FELON DICTATOR to squeeze Canada via tarriffs until he can annex 🇨🇦 for our resources goes like this:
HELL NO🔥
Let's not pretend there are two sides to US taking our sovereign country.
Just. Hard. No.
A proposal to annex is a declaration of war. Dressed up as "discussion" or "blue sky thinking". He is not kidding and we can't spend time "mulling it over" and being nice. We have to be straight to the point, no.
Upset?! It is deeply disturbing that our Canadian public broadcaster would treat threats to Canada's future existence as thought experiment. There is nothing to talk about. Full stop.
The only answer to that particular question is that it will mean Canada lost a war over our sovereignty. Why is CBC beginning the discussion at that point? I agree with the upset, it a terrible topic question. So many better ways to address the threat that exists. This is a gift to the Orange man.
Using the phrase as a topic normalizes it and plays into the enemy frame of mind. You’re being a tool for enemy propaganda. Rename it to “confronting fascism on our doorstep” and you’ll have a topic that doesn’t make you a tool.
A lot of Canadians have been very offended by the "thought experiment" American news articles that talk about what if Canada were a 51st state and how that would benefit the democrats.
We're a separate country, and the only way this would happen would be against our will. We can't gloss over that.
I’m a very regular CBC listener and I support future funding for the company. But this is absolutely shameful! Normalizing threats to Canada’s sovereignty using the rhetoric of “51st state” is appalling. Truly this is how independent journalism and democracy dies
This is not “just having a conversation” — this is active participation in a campaign to undermine Canada’s sovereignty and distract Americans from the destruction of their democratic institutions. I would have thought Ian Hanomansing and the CBC was above this.
yeah distraction piece's really important. So this is complicit in that aspect. How about a program on 'all the other stuff the "President" has destroyed so far while threatening annexation' Or as someone mentioned how to fight back and prepare.
Use better language. Don’t normalize tRump’s insanity. Annex has a DEFINITION - talk about occupation and military action. Talk about economic annexation and how Canadians will suffer. I don’t think you do have to discuss it except to explain how it’s a threat from a former ally.
This is disgusting. This should be framed as "how would you respond to hostile militarized fascist occupation of the socialized democratic country you live in," not "what type of American fast food would you be happiest to have access to?"
Currently, media is under restrictions in the USA by its administration where access to information protected under First Amendment Rights is being challenged. Quite simply put, Canadians determine our nation’s sovereignty and normalizing rhetoric to the contrary by another govt crosses the line.
This guy sympathetically framed COVID minimisers and mask / vaccine skeptics - literally both-sidesing people to death. I'm shocked* to learn he's moved on to sympathetically framing the belligerent threats of actual Nazis.
Oh crumbs! I didn't know about that. How do you even do that? Bet he hasn't done any items on US women dying in hospital parking lots. I realized how awful he was with Covid. His refusal to cover the is it airborne controversy. We're in all the evidence was for yes.
Exactly. When they did that, it was horrifying - like, how do you bothsides people having their human rights trampled on?
But then you think: welp, they normalized trampling on the human rights of vulnerable people during a pandemic, instead of reporting on the harms being done to them, so...
That’s beyond disgusting. I normally love the CBC & am fighting to save it, but not for this garbage (I stopped listening to him when he did this w Covid). We need to get ahold of his bosses bc enough is enough. Maybe we need to call for him to get fired over this. Canadians are rightfully outraged.
I also stopped listening to the CBC, not only because of his/The National's coverage, but overall the way the network was platforming centrists who helped move the Overton Window in a dangerous direction.
Not sure his bosses care, though (will share links shortly) - Fenlon has never stopped them.
I think it's time to start a petition to ask CBC to take Ian off the air. He's doing more harm than good as well as just being a colossal embarrassment. He doesn't seem to understand journalism at all.
Recall, in the past, when he "some people'd" scientists, advocates, disabled people, etc? And because the topic he was being criticized about was the (ongoing) pandemic, most people jumped on his bandwagon.
My guess is he fully expected the same this time around - I'm glad it's not working.
The fact that other broadcasters have already done it doesn’t make CBC right.
And, most people in Canada don’t get the Agenda on their TVs, and their host isn’t as recognizable, so of course CBC’s poor decision making is going to draw much more criticism, from a bigger pool of Canadians.
I'm an outspoken supporter of the CBC. This is a shameful approach to the threats made to . Even your re-phrased question is too neutral. We don't feel neutral and are not interested in both-sides-ism. If you're playing to inform a U.S. audience, frame it so they know we will never give in. 🇨🇦
I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater but maybe dumping whoever is fighting for this show. would be a solution. Whether it's @ianhanomansing.bsky.social or someone else, they're obviously not people we can depend on in the current situation. #CBC
Absolutely disgusting that the CBC which so many of us fight to keep would “normalize” this topic and conversation. I take great offence to talk of annexing the country I live in and love dearly.
Ian, this topic seems reckless. Many Canadians have a sense of dread of an impending war right now, this includes children. Trump installing loyalists in all top positions makes it worse
Canadians instead need facts and perspective, as well as how to communicate to and support those who are scared
It is reckless and not worthy of a ‘discussion’
Our 9 year old grandson asked us ‘Will the US start a war Grandma?’
We are all afraid of Trump the Fascist Psychopath!
Wrong! It’s just wrong on so many levels. It’s not a question up for debate. The mere suggestion is a violation of international law. It makes me ask what’s wrong with the CBC that you would even consider this.
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You assume it can happen - "what would it mean to you?" That is very insulting. I can get this crap on Rebel News.
You can do far better. I thought that's why we had the CBC.
I expect the CBC to provide factual content to Canadians - rather than join the garbage so many of the American-owned MSM push out. Cancel or treat this topic with the seriousness it deserves.
Appalled
Please rethink your show. Don’t feed the fascist monster.
Inviting opinions from Canadians and Americans.
You are repeating the fascist language, amplifying and normalizing this threat. There should be NO town hall about this threat against Canada’s sovereignty.
NOT a joke.
➡️The vast majority of Canadians don't want annexation and feel better off in an independent Canada
➡️Trump's 51st state comments are not an invitation, they're a threat
➡️The 51st state comments are naive, insulting, and a non-starter.
"Hell will freeze over first."
It's his intent.
Don't tell me people still believe that .
Knowing how to make one is a survival skill if you live in wilderness.
Most of us don't.
Although if the car breaks down and you've got no phone signal and you get stranded.....
You better have your winter survival kit in the trunk.
In grade 4, we had to know all the countries, their geographical locations, and their capitals.
We also had to spell them all correctly. 😂
Do better!
Read George Lakoff, you fool. As others have pointed out, you could have framed a useful discussion without repeating and normalizing the egregious framing provided by our new economic and political enemies to the south.
You helped the enemy.
What did you want? Softball questions and treatment so Cons could point and accuse the CBC once again of being a Liberal lapdog?
If NPR wants my thoughts, send them this - 🖕🏻
Do better CBC. Ian you fucked up
The answer to his demands is HELL NO and that's the end of it.
🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
https://bsky.app/profile/kth100.bsky.social/post/3lisppwpwbc2o
Completely
Trump from threats of tariffs and the words stated loudly he wants our resources bs
NOT inviting pigs to discuss how they’d like to destroy us.
If you want to play stupid games with a facist - call his country our next province.
Many of us are scared to hell, we need to hear inspiring actions, share ideas of what we can do to cope and to do oir part to defend/protect our country and each other.
Talking about an aggressor nation threatening our sovereign nation isn’t a topic for a “conversation”.
I recall ID4 2017. NPR reading the declaration of independance that put whitehouse into panic Orson Welles mode :)
"We" feel it's important to talk about?
Did you ask the people who pay your salary(us taxpayers) how we feel about this interview?
Names please.
Not blonde enough… but he’s got to try lol…
Get off THERE ass and Unite as one party Together they might win
"The company awarded a $750-million contract to tunnel the Scarborough subway is partially owned by a Russian oligarch sanctioned by Ottawa following the invasion of Ukraine, the Star has learned." May 15th 2022
We need to do our talking with our fists. Let them make a move, get punched in the nose, and then maybe talk.
51st state my ass
Better dead than red, white and blue
And our national spunk has kept us sovereign against an aggressive neighbour since 1776
I spent 30 years in the army, I know a little bit about war, and a bit about Americans.
So let me say it again
5d1st state my ass
Better dead than red, white and blue
chaos is not fine with anyone
Yes, it would be a tragedy. I have generational awareness of what it was like last time we did this.
But 🇺🇸 economy is entirely based on peace in North America. It's been 200 years since 🇺🇸 had to deal with an enemy next door.
🇺🇸 is too weak to survive another war.
The US government had formal invasion plans up until the beginning of WW 2.
Even now, the 10th Mtn Division at Fort Drum, has detailed plans to seize the St Lawrence seaway to "protect." it.
LET'S HAVE A CHAT WITH THEM ABOUT THE 11TH PROVINCE. I THINK A FEW BLUE US STATES MIGHT BE WILLING TO APPLY.
*No one ever gets a 3 thumbs down, Ian
Are you really ready to have *that* conversation on the radio?
Talking with Americans is fine, but rephrase the question.
There will never be a 51st state. Don't make it a premise.
But this is a serious misread of the mood in Canada. It feels like a framing to get *very* angry Canadians to call in. Things could get out of hand fast.
Shameful and embarrassing.
How was Doug able to cancel the contract on principle, and then reverse his choice with integrity? Placing anything under the control of America at this juncture is wildly careless.
What a spectacular waste of CBC goodwill. Well done.
Find a minister, MP, or premier with a sharp sense of humor to say the U.S. could be a province some day. Florida? Maybe a territory.
Just as likely, and will infuriate doddering Donald.
How tone-deaf can the CBC get. This is nothing more than normalizing the rantings of a lunatic by providing a platform. You are fuelling the fire. The very least that should have been done was to have a title focused on Canadian sovereignty rather than paving his path.
“We’re just having a conversation.”
No. What you’re doing is allowing the Overton window to be pushed toward oppression inch by inch. PICK A FUCKING SIDE!
But unfortunately he doesn't realize that trump will have zero use for him.
The answer is no.
If they don't want to talk about how California, Oregon and Washington should become provinces, then stop entertaining a fascist dictator's insane notion that 10 provinces would choose to get 2 US senators and have less representation than the Dakotas.
Use Canadian publically funded air ways to defend Canada not tear it down.
and degrading CBC
This is bad, and incredibly unhelpful. You should not be entertaining this for one damn minute.
Hanging in there, mostly. Worried for friends and family and neighbors more than me. Trying to do what I can but wish it was more. Also frustrated some folks with power to stop or slow at least some of this aren't using it fully. Sigh.
Appreciated. ❤️🇨🇦
🙄🤦♂️
“Thoughts on the unilateral/illegal attack on Canadian sovereignty”
Do we really have to dust off the “words have power cliche’ ?”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_act
It is NOT important to engage with those people no matter WHAT “we feel” CBC 🙄
Not every goddamn thing is a debate, asshole.
I hope everyone who calls you tomorrow is just to call you a traitorous clown for even entertaining this
#FuckDonoldTrump
We need to defend against this statement by 47, not glorify it.
This is a disaster. Don't get it so wrong. It's basic communication.
Time to start boycotting CBC!
just terrible framing of this THE US WANTS TO ABSORB US have you just missed this fact? why would you even entertain this? do not comply in advance
My teen came home the other day and said they don’t really care about school or what they put in their body anymore because we’ll be dead in a few months when the Americans come to kill us.
Nice neighbours to have a cross county chit-chat with!!!
No one on this side of the border is interested in becoming the 51st state, and most people I know on the other side are horrified by Trump's bully talk.
Drop your arrogance and admit you fucked up
Cancel this show immediately
So these are the people who would fight hard for the continued funding of the CBC. And he’s getting badly ratioed by the very people they need to have in their corner. Hope he’s listening.
I know- I’m just a guy on the internet.
(Despite what one might assume from my profile) Canadian sovereignty is worth fighting for. He’s not joking.
I would rather rot in a prison than see Canada and Mexico be annexed by this clown. 🇨🇦🇲🇽🇺🇸
It’s not worth it. 10/10 do not recommend it.
I have great respect for you, but don’t give this any more oxygen than it has already consumed. Rational Americans have already dismissed this notion.
The ‘both sides’ of this are Canadians and fucking traitors.
And you are a fucking traitor.
God damn you with this shit.
The "discussion" about the "proposal" by the 2X impeached 94X indicted 34X convicted FELON DICTATOR to squeeze Canada via tarriffs until he can annex 🇨🇦 for our resources goes like this:
HELL NO🔥
Let's not pretend there are two sides to US taking our sovereign country.
Just. Hard. No.
ITS NOT IMPORTANT
To talk About
ITS A TRUMP WET DREAM.
We're a separate country, and the only way this would happen would be against our will. We can't gloss over that.
Pls, we’ve seen a similar approach from you regarding the ongoing C19 pandemic. It’s far past time to do better.
Canadians are telling you BEFORE the episode airs what they feel is more important.
CBC - Are you listening?
@nicktsergas.ca
*not at all shocked
It's like their playbook.
But then you think: welp, they normalized trampling on the human rights of vulnerable people during a pandemic, instead of reporting on the harms being done to them, so...
Not sure his bosses care, though (will share links shortly) - Fenlon has never stopped them.
the first, for context: https://x.com/SueEC999/status/1882903342365753826
the second, her complaint: https://x.com/SueEC999/status/1888719773640343831
the third (halfway thru that thread), fenlon's response: https://x.com/SueEC999/status/1888748365770338684
It's not about Hanomansing, but Barton, however - it's ultimately the same issue, in the end.
My guess is he fully expected the same this time around - I'm glad it's not working.
https://gem.cbc.ca/hanomansing-tonight
And, most people in Canada don’t get the Agenda on their TVs, and their host isn’t as recognizable, so of course CBC’s poor decision making is going to draw much more criticism, from a bigger pool of Canadians.
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/checkup/cbc-checkup-npr-the-middle-51st-state-cross-border-conversation-1.7461625
Maybe defunding is the best option.
I'll lose it this afternoon if this travesty goes forward.
Canadians instead need facts and perspective, as well as how to communicate to and support those who are scared
Our 9 year old grandson asked us ‘Will the US start a war Grandma?’
We are all afraid of Trump the Fascist Psychopath!