Wait is he no longer trying to "prove he can tough decisions" by keeping children in poverty?
Has he achieved peak toughness to now U-turn?
A good thing if true but his prior behaviour is so ugly it's hard to take this seriously, especially as his welfare plans are going to push more into poverty
Good news and nice to see the story but for accuracy it’s called the two child limit. Not benefit cap, not child benefit. No such thing as two child benefit cap. It’s the two child limit relating to child components of UC or CTC. Doesn’t relate to child benefit.
Thank you!
And shame on @theobserveruk.bsky.social, @theguardian.com and others, for their seemingly careless misinformation: repeatedly misnaming e.g. the two-child limit.
Fake news besets us all. Its antidote: checking detail for accuracy, every time.
Because the wording relates the three different policies & inaccuracies mean people don’t apply for entitlements. Also public confusion over changes affects understanding of poverty. Eg benefit cap (a different policy), still exists. That’s why it matters 🙄
Great news on the back of the WFA fiasco. Can't help thinking the trade off is that back benchers will have to support or at least abstain for the cuts to welfare.
Hope I'm wrong but I don't think I am. The Govt will need a 'win' otherwise they will look weak. So the disabled are the price to pay.
WFA est £1.5bn, this at the high end is £3.5bn. If they roll back welfare cuts as well then that's £10bn a year that will need to be found from somewhere.
Maybe £10bn is the price it will cost to get the left and centre left back onboard? I doubt it somehow and think your right about leverage.
It’s heartening to hear that a seemingly complex problem was beyond the child poverty task force to resolve the two- child benefit cap. Cheap is dear with the impact of not removing the cap was going to cost a lot more to the public purse “OH” and kids sense of being cared for in a respectful way.
Ha! Nice. I see you, player, skipping from talking about the country as a whole to talking about a marginalised subset of people as soon as you’re challenged.
Non tax payers can afford everything.. They want everything free. Where 8s govt getting the money from. People should hel0 their parents,if they struggle .
They are in a mold leadership quarrels behind the scenes according to leaks so they're trying to bribe the public individually with their public statements.
Good news for the Scottish Government who’d budgeted to mitigate it. Good to see England being led by a better government in Scotland 🏴
We’re still mitigating the bedroom tax, providing Baby boxes, Scottish Child payment (£27+pw in addition to CB), free tuition/personal care/prescriptions etc etc
My point was about the mechanics of how money is created in a country that has its own currency. The notion of “finding the money” like it’s behind the sofa is economically illiterate. Much like Truss and her idiot chancellor.
If its JUST ' printing money ' with no other fiscal measures to control inflation that is true but QE can be used responsibly and can boost the economy.
At long last Keir Starmer is breaking free from Morgan Mcsweeney. Starmer is a socialist at heart and might now be able to show his true colours. People might actually find out what he stands for. Mcsweeney was destroying Labour after getting them into power.
Well, we'll see. The fact is that, as Margaret Hodge revealed, Starmer was always a stalking horse in the leadership election for the Labour right, promising one thing but always with the intention of delivering something else. He's very much McSweeney's creature.
... no real political beliefs and that it's a question of who shapes him in their image, so perhaps that holds out some hope if he's going to transform into a conduit for social democracy rather than, as now, a conduit for Toryism. But I would rather see a leader based in social democratic...
... principles leading the party rather than a weathervane responding to the strongest gusts and turning accordingly. We need stability, and that ain't it.
My ideal cabinet would see Starmer given the job of troubleshooting international relations and having nothing to do with domestic...
Like believing in Brexshit unicorns. Weathervane Keith will do or say what he thinks people want to hear irrespective of whether or not he believes it. He’d leave ECHR if he thought there was enough public support for that
Describes him perfectly imho. Sheds his principles and says what he thinks people want to hear rather than saying it as it is. Not a leader in any sense of the word. Always 2 or 3 laps behind public opinion too. I find him deeply sinister. Power for power’s sake. Makes my skin crawl
Yes, as I wrote above, I'm very mistrustful and even if he DOES take a turn, I'd rather have someone devoted to social democracy than a weathervane who will swing as far as the far right with whatever gust is blowing most strongly at that moment.
Wouldn't that be nice! Principles really do help guide a person towards making consistent, morally correct decisions. Without them where would we be? Prime Minister apparently.
Starmer is not a "socialist" in any sense of the word. He's shown us his true colours. He's a venal, incompetent automaton who'll do everything his masters tell him. Stop kidding yourself
I think they were in essence reporting the same thing.
Guardian's was that anti poverty strategy had been delayed from spring and removal of the two child benefit cap was part of a fight within No 10 with McSweeny being against it.
Observer one essentially confirms that they'll repeal in budget.
Yet this report is in the Observer, now owned by Tortoise Media and available online 7 days a week, with a print edition on Sundays.
Do you have a link to a similar article in the Guardian?
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Has he achieved peak toughness to now U-turn?
A good thing if true but his prior behaviour is so ugly it's hard to take this seriously, especially as his welfare plans are going to push more into poverty
https://labourlist.org/2024/07/general-election-results-2024-keir-starmer-press-conference-two-child-cap-tough-decisions/
My point was it seems they were right to have made an issue of it.
Keep going that direction, Keir. Keep going until you reach Universal Basic Income and taxing wealth.
And shame on @theobserveruk.bsky.social, @theguardian.com and others, for their seemingly careless misinformation: repeatedly misnaming e.g. the two-child limit.
Fake news besets us all. Its antidote: checking detail for accuracy, every time.
Hope I'm wrong but I don't think I am. The Govt will need a 'win' otherwise they will look weak. So the disabled are the price to pay.
Maybe £10bn is the price it will cost to get the left and centre left back onboard? I doubt it somehow and think your right about leverage.
shame they couldn't have good policies because they are the right thing but here we are
We’re still mitigating the bedroom tax, providing Baby boxes, Scottish Child payment (£27+pw in addition to CB), free tuition/personal care/prescriptions etc etc
...in this relationship.
The fat fucker will be quids in 🤣
‘Money simply represents productive capacity in the economy – real resources and labour that can be used to produce things.’
— From: https://nowthenmagazine.com/ article by Alice Flanagan, 23 April 2025
My mortgage is now £300 a month higher because of it
“and can fund whatever it wants by simply creating more money” is not
Money printing is economically disastrous, as has been repeatedly proven
People say of him that he has...
My ideal cabinet would see Starmer given the job of troubleshooting international relations and having nothing to do with domestic...
Guardian's was that anti poverty strategy had been delayed from spring and removal of the two child benefit cap was part of a fight within No 10 with McSweeny being against it.
Observer one essentially confirms that they'll repeal in budget.
Do you have a link to a similar article in the Guardian?
Disabled people to have their organs sold?
Just more PR spin from Starmer.