Under this theory, there is also nothing that prevents them from shipping *American citizens* to a gulag in El Salvador and saying "nothing we can do."
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The president has pardoning power for criminal contempt charges, so I don't see how that would work also the AG has control over the US Marshal service.
Who are they going to deputize who can arrest people in the White House without getting killed by the Secret Service? That’s the problem, Or stop military cargo planes from a military airbase to lift off with undocumented onboard?
Military coup. That’s the only way I see to get out of this. He’s fired lots of top brass and FBI agents, they need to gather those loyal to the constitution, and stage a coup. I can’t fight but I’ll make food for them and offer a couch to crash on
Let’s avoid that if we can, b/c it’s precisely what his most extreme supporters want. The J6 leaders he pardoned are white supremacists who want another civil war. The US Marshals, who answer to the judiciary, are our last line of defense against a totally lawless PotUS. Let’s try them first.
They are under DoJ for administrative purposes only. They are assigned to U.S. judicial districts, and they are answerable to the judges of their district for the smooth running of those courts. When a federal judge issues an arrest warrant and hands it to a Marshal, Pammy can’t do squat about it.
All I see is excuses for not following the law and the honoring their sacred oath they took to defend said law making them traitors oathbreakers and seditionists then haughtingly sitting back and tellin us what you gonna do about it! like a playground bully.
I just can't shake that there was some stupid historian last year promoted by Tucker Carlson that defend Hitler by saying they didn't want to kill the Jews, but they ran out of space. It didn't feel like an accident then, and feels like a promise now.
Obviously finding them in contempt would be the only remedy in this scenario. But that wouldn't help the person in an El Salvadoran concentration camp much.
It might - civil contempt, which Trump can't pardon, means punishment lasts until contempt ends. Judge could imprison say Bondi and not let her out until the regime has done everything possible to return Garcia.
Question is, who is willing and able to arrest and hold her? Judge can pick anyone tho.
“ICE, as the Klown Kar Kabal’s newly minted squad, is letting it be known just how dangerous, lethal, and nonplussed by human rights it really is. It’s an ugly, despicable display of raw power.”
1. Bukele is being paid by the US to hold these men. 2. The US has control over the payments. 3. The White House could say he needs to be returned and threaten to cut off payments if they don’t send him back. 4. They ALL should be brought back.
5. The fact that right-wing influencers have been invited down to do videos with prisoners at this prison as the backdrop suggests the lines of communication with Bukele are wide open.
The Republicans are defying anybody to do anything about it – if they can – which is the point of the OP. They are sending Americans a message, pretty close to openly.
The fact that the White House's argument is transparently bullshit is the point.
The Trump administration is giving El Salvador $6 million a year. I'm not sure however I think $6 million a year goes a long way in El Salvador. I would like to know how many other countries are paying El Salvador to keep the people that they don't want to deal with.
This is *exactly* the problem. It's not too farfetched to consider that that guy will deem any peaceful protesters exercising their First Amendment rights as "terrorists" and proclaim to be saving the country by shipping any of us off to a torture prison outside of US jurisdiction.
They will never admit that they fucked up and returning this man here would do just that.we need to deport musk he is after all migrant worker and see if they care then
With respect, they aren't saying they can't do anything. They're saying the judge can't do anything. They definitely won't be limiting their own ostensible power that way.
The Constitution is under attack.
The Rule of Law is under attack.
Due Process is under attack.
Freedom of speech is under attack.
U.S. world standing is under attack.
Democracy is under attack.
Trump and Maga are the enemy.
The Radical Right Fascists are destroying America.
Judge ordered the plane to turn around, it didn't. Bring them all back. Threaten El Salvador with 100% tariffs if they don't comply. Smear campaign on El Salvador. Jump up and down. This is what works for the Rethuglicans.
not really
but it's again a choice Democrats are seen as leaping to the defense of a pegged MS-13 guy, while having a long known rep of not caring about illegal alien crime or the victims of it.
the party could fix that, but it's filled with too many sick minded people in office or in their media
Strong commitments to "guilty until proven innocent" all the way down. And they'll love it until the leopard eats THEIR face. Then it'll be tears and "I thought the leopard was only going to eat brown faces."
Let’s hear them when the judges remands them into custody for contempt. Every courthouse has nice “holding cells” where they can cool their heels and reconsider their mistake.
Cool, that means we can start randomly arresting Americans and lock them up indefinetely, cause no American politician or judge has jurisdiction or authority over any European country... or South-American country... or African country... or Asian country...
I know this is dark, and I am absolutely not claiming this as fact, but we have no idea what's happening at CECOT. They could be performing mass executions for all we know.
Well that's the thing. As a Mexican, I know that ain't coming out. There's no way. Nobody has come out of that prison. If he comes out he will speak on what's happening there and nor the US and especially El Salvador want that to happen. They're coming after trans people I just know it.
Immigrants are the first phase. Why because either many will flee to their original country if shit hits the fan. We have somewhere to go to after all. That's why they're going for low hanging cases. Once they can get away with keeping a citizen immigrants are irrelevant.
So, the administration believes it can make foreign countries bend over backwards to accommodate our trade demands, but at the same time we have no power to ask a country we made a deal with to send 1 guy back?
It's cool we're so weak and strong at the same time internationally.
Exactly. This is a perfect opportunity from some really nasty tariffs on everything coming in from El Salvador, with relief tied to the return of our man. This “we’re powerless” shit should not stand. They can pick their fights with judges without sacrificing a human being.
Due process as guarantied in the constitution appears to vanish once they get you out of US territory. A very simple solution to those pesky rules imposed on the executive branch
I don’t think the judge’s order was directed at the president of El Salvador. Let’s not take no for an answer. They want to pick a fight with a judge. But an innocent man’s life should not be sacrificed for their ambitions. I can think of a lot of things the Orange Felon could do to comply.
Hey trump, the Obama administration killed Bin Laden in his bedroom in f’n Pakistan. And took his dead body with them.
Little Don is impotent to get someone out of El Salvador…. 🤷🏻♂️
A sovereign nation has the right to deport foreigners, within certain constraints, to their country of origin if that country's government is willing & able to protect their human rights. No nation can deport to third-country prisons. What if Turkey deported Americans to Iran? It's slave trade
Judge should lock up the Press Secretary for contempt along with Homan and anyone else who gave these orders so she can find out how jurisdiction actually works.
To draw an analogy, suppose Trump puts Krazy Glue on his hand and grabs a woman by her pussy. His hand sticks. She brings him to court. The judge says, “Remove your hand immediately!” Trump replies, “Your Honor, you’re asking me to something impossible. The adhesion of the Krazy Glue is too strong.”
And it's very clever too because civil contempt only holds for refusal to comply in the present. Past actions to ensure you'll be UNABLE to comply later can only constitute criminal contempt. And Trump can pardon a conviction of criminal contempt. Only civil contempt charges have a hope against him.
Being here and now any SM platform helps him ID us for targeting
See it every day by HR depts against employees, their best employees, but who don't do anything wrong to fire + are also too smart who pose a threat of exposing their corruption
That is so incredibly fucked up. Technically speaking, the judge has jurisdiction over over the fucking president and the White House for committing the crime of human trafficking.
So, basically, once a person is illegally transported to El Salvador prisons, orange #FOTUS baby and his cronies are no longer "responsible" for getting US citizens back???
You do realize that the trains headed to death camps were stuffed with Jewish citizens directly in Front of the German citizens . No one intervened then either … well a very few heroic people tried with minimal success.
They negotiate for people held in other countries all the time. The difference here is that they committed the crime of sending him there. He himself did nothing wrong.
I thought the administration said that the El Salvadoran prison was acting as a vendor immigrant holding location, and being paid by the U.S., while deportation issues are determined, and that the kidnapped people were not actually deported. This administration is a bunch of racist liars.
During his first administration he deported my son’s friend who was a dreamer.They sent him to Mexico and he didn’t speak the language or know anyone. He was 19. They also deported his buddy from the army. They told him if he joined he’d be a citizen if he served honorably. He did but was deported.
They paid 6,000,000 for this. It was a transaction for a service not a court ruling. There should be no problem getting anyone back. They don't want to do one because it will prove they all can be bought back.
trump's 1st meet with bukele they discussed taking American prisoners for a "small fee". posted it a few times, just recently mentioned the plan to empty our prisons, get rid of corrections, prisons,
pretty sure some of his rich private corrections donors talked him out of moving money tree to ES??
Yes. I’ve been concerned about this, contemplating the nightmare coming toward us since before I heard this, but it jumped out to me.
@garrykasparov.bsky.social is right, and at this point it’ll take a miracle to avoid what Kryl is singing about or worse, but sooner is better!
Not much question the court has jurisdiction over the DOJ lawyer in front of him. Throw him in jail, ask for superior. Rinse, repeat. I bet they find a solution w/in three cycles.
If you tell people that you can be picked up off the street, shipped out of the nation, and then nothing can be done, there is no way people will go peacefully. Ever.
They just got so many people killed and it's because they're too fucking stupid to think beyond the moment and a step ahead.
The US acting like they're powerless in this situation is fucking laughable. They're over here telling Europe they need to prescribe to their EO on DEI while pretending they "don't have the cards" to get this man out of prison. I hate these people so much.
Exactly! Because we all, all of us in USA, have a right to notice & a hearing in a U.S. ct of law. The judge should have ordered everyone illegally deported to be returned!
They sent him, WE are paying to keep him there - the WH damn well better know how to get him back - OR instead of paying taxes for horse manure decisions, he can ask his pal for the funds to pay for their care
Prepare for ICE agents demanding you give them money / your car / your daughter or yourself for sex lest you end in a torture prison in El Salvador "by mistake".
Because that always happened when people had that kind of power.
What really needs to be done is for Congress to go to the president and tell him what to do. And if he objects impeach him. But we know the GOP has no backbone to do what is right and we will punish them in 19 months.
The PHD student coauthored an opinion piece in her school newspaper. Resulted in a Trump administration move: kidnapping off a public street by masked individuals and a trip to the Gulag.
Short move to disappearing US citizens who defy a dictator.
But the President of El Salvador allows the US to shoot commercials in front of their concentration camp. They’re not imprisoning those folks independent of the US. They’re guards for hire.
Yes, but if they did it to white people regardless of their citizenship, conservatives would get upset. We are no longer a country of laws, we are a country of factions.
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The same prison in El Salvador
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Joe_Arpaio
You here all week?
Worse than Russia. We are here.
Question is, who is willing and able to arrest and hold her? Judge can pick anyone tho.
https://lokiexcelsiorsmith.substack.com/p/american-gulag-4-raging-bull-in-a?r=fd4u4
The fact that the White House's argument is transparently bullshit is the point.
The lines of communication are 100% open. The WH is just cravenly cruel enough to pull this move.
Oh, and by the way - what's Guiterrez saying about this?
The Constitution is under attack.
The Rule of Law is under attack.
Due Process is under attack.
Freedom of speech is under attack.
U.S. world standing is under attack.
Democracy is under attack.
Trump and Maga are the enemy.
The Radical Right Fascists are destroying America.
https://bsky.app/profile/victorytwin.bsky.social/post/3llzakikqw22i
but it's again a choice Democrats are seen as leaping to the defense of a pegged MS-13 guy, while having a long known rep of not caring about illegal alien crime or the victims of it.
the party could fix that, but it's filled with too many sick minded people in office or in their media
To which I say it's hard to do that when we don't have any names of these "gang members".
Then it's "so you can't prove it!" as if that's how it works and the risk itself isn't a problem.
It's fully insane.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/03/americas/el-salvador-migrant-deal-marco-rubio-intl-hnk/index.html
It's cool we're so weak and strong at the same time internationally.
They took American planes there to bring them
They can take the same fkn planes back to retrieve them
It is on Secretary Noem. She brings him back, or she goes to jail until she does.
And if they won't do it the Court can deputize others to carry out the task.
So who will the Court deputize?
I’m not trying to be annoying; I want people to actually process what this actually would entail.
Little Don is impotent to get someone out of El Salvador…. 🤷🏻♂️
Holding that move in reserve until the right time.
Any. One.
See it every day by HR depts against employees, their best employees, but who don't do anything wrong to fire + are also too smart who pose a threat of exposing their corruption
Anyone who is against him will have to go
Well, in that case .... SIG HEIL, #FOTUS!!!!!
Just my Opinion ...
Much easier to post on social media and sit back.
The point of this case
Is to set a foundation
For doing this to snyone
Asking for a friend.
pretty sure some of his rich private corrections donors talked him out of moving money tree to ES??
@garrykasparov.bsky.social is right, and at this point it’ll take a miracle to avoid what Kryl is singing about or worse, but sooner is better!
They just got so many people killed and it's because they're too fucking stupid to think beyond the moment and a step ahead.
Charge them all with kidnapping and assault.
That'll put a chill on this.
Or will they just smirk their way through the whole trial, knowing a presidential pardon awaits them at the finish line?
I'll send a message if they are convicted and jailed.
Where are the prosecutors?
This 'justice' is feckless and political crime is rampant because of their lack of action.
Because that always happened when people had that kind of power.
And maybe a little something for Pam Bondi. Arrest her during one of her Fox News segments.
Short move to disappearing US citizens who defy a dictator.
Done…and Bullshit Barbie can eat a bag of mushroom tips.
Literally anyone.
If you want to try and make
DOGE care about it.
That didn’t compute at all…
At this point there is ZERO reason for the Trump administration to follow the Constitution in any significant capacity, as there's zero consequences.