Someone cancelled their membership to my show because I am not claiming that Trump rigged the election against Kamala, and this person wants me to say that. Okay.
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Something lost on many people is the discernible difference between what they feel, or believe to be true, and what is factual. Facts are objective, observable by all, and irrefutable. Beliefs on the other hand, are an internalized, and often emotionally charged, representation of formed opinion.
They should not have canceled for you not doing what they wanted.
But, it doesn't hurt to mention that a lot of maga loyalists where put into election official positions in the last year and a half. Election officials are supposed to be nonpartisan. Very suspicious.
We can never sink to the level MAGA did for the last four years. The election is over and now we must figure out how to handle the many crises that seem imminent.
No actually it’s not over til it’s certified and I strongly suggest doing some research about the many alarmingly suspicious activities during this election that warrant our legal right to a forensic audit.
It feels more because you all won't at least admit there is something fishy when actual experts like Spoonamore are merely asking for recounts of certain districts. They've even said explicitly that if it turns out they were wrong, they'll say it. Nobody wants to even entertain it because of optics.
🤔 2020 the "election was stolen" was coming from inside the campaign, from trump and his people. 2024 it's outside specialists saying things aren't right. It's not coming from inside the campaign.
That's kind of my point. Several experts in various fields including cybersecurity (one was part of Obama's team) is saying something is amiss. They (2020) rioted because they believed their leader. We look into it because something is off. Georgia (EU) is currently protesting over exactly this.
I keep hearing "we can't be like them" when this really isn't the same. It's so frustrating. You'd think it would be worth checking, considering he's cheated on everything! Including trying to steal the last election. Oh & then add in Elon. Things that make you go hmmmm
Finding out before the election that Elon has been talking to Putin for 2 years should have immediately disqualified Trump for campaigning with him. The collusion is obvious, but I think a case is being built. There's a lot of goings-on that points to it. Elon needs deported or arrested.
Right! It's nuts! Not to mention the government contracts elon has, you'd think that would also be an issue, but nope. Hmmm, I wonder why elon got involved..... 💰
David, I believe that there was cheating by maggots in 2016 & 2024 who will do anything to maintain power.Trump stated@ one of his rallies that he didn't need any votes, that he had all the votes he needed. How would he know this weeks and months before the election??
He made that statement because he had a foolproof why to cheat with his criminal sidekick, Elon.
He does not have a mandate, he only won by
1.6% a plurality. I dont' see any harm with a recount, afterall they took Dems to court 60 times over 2020 election.
While I have no proof.....we WERE told daily that there were records being set in all the early voting states (records set daily) and they said election day there were records being set.........
But there were less votes than 2020?! WTF.
If anyone thinks a genius billionaire who benefits in every way on Trumps win aka criminal activity clean slate, who also owns Starlink which was used in polling locations, and X which he used as a center for misinformation wasn’t behind this election fraud they’re blind and in denial.
I didn’t share evidence. That wasn’t my intention in my comment. If you want to research on your own you can do so. Stephen Spoonamore has been ringing the alarms for weeks. Just research his name and it’ll take you where you need to go.
I google it. According to Snopes “[our] research, in which we compared the vote tallies cited by Spoonamore with the latest official election results, found his figures to be incorrect and his assertions to make no mathematical sense.”
It is sad that someone wants to combat crazy with crazy. Where is the evidence of this fraud? If someone can bring it light that's one thing. But just making a claim based on conspiracy isn't the way to go.
Anyone with a functioning, logical brain can sense something was fishy with the results. Especially when the country’s biggest conman and the richest man join forces.
That’s what I’m saying, we shouldn’t be so afraid to look like the maga people claiming election fraud when it’s like a known thing Russia was involved and lots of votes didn’t even get counted
Oh it was rigged. You don’t leverage the power of the richest man on earth and two entire social media networks as well as help from Russian and Chinese bots and say it was fair do you? I’m not saying I’m leaving you over it 🤣 You walk that verbal tightrope if you need, we know the truth lol
The election results are final. Don't go down the conspiracy rabbit hole. We should make sure that everyone knows that the PACs created and funded by fElon did create fake websites with false info and lured people to those sites.
Also used false/opposite messaging, advertising in swing states.
I appreciate this post. It's an interesting read, but heralding all of these ponderable items is not FACT. Should it be investigated? - absolutely. Should it be passed along as fact on any news/social media website? - absolutely NOT.
It’s a FACT that our govt did a press conference back in SEPTEMBER about foreign election interference, ITS A FACT that 45& Elon openly suppressed, intimidated and bribed voters, its a FACT that he cheated in previous elections so why would he NOT do it again?!
My argument here is that I don't know he (Trump) cheated in previous elections. It is a FACT that he certainly tried to circumvent the entirety of norms and processes, but he wasn't successful.
He absolutely tried and it was proven and acknowledged by our own govt. with the hand of his little lover Putin. He’s been linked to Russia since the 80s.
The point is to get these huge red flags out there. It’s a FACT that there were bomb threats tide to Russia on Election Day in swing states, it’s a FACT that ALL flipped districts went from blue to red and NONE the other way around which is statistically improbable
a friend told me he voted for trump cause Kamala was secretly working with biden. and the economy was worse cause his private medical went up in price. I'm not surprised there is dumb things being said.
Wasn't me. I did get pissy when no one at MTN would ask for RECOUNTS. I just want due diligence. IF there was a way to prevent his destruction of Democracy by simply checking the swing states votes, shouldn't we have at least tried?
At some point, a recount is highly unlikely to change anything and would just lead to wasted time, energy, and other resources. Trump definitely won the election, by decisive margins. Pretty much every demographic shifted right to some extent. Even California was closer than it has been in a while.
It wasn't that decisive, about 250k votes total, less than 1.5% move in 3 states would have been a win for Kamala in the elecotral college. trump beat her by around 2.4M in the electoral count, out of 155M
But in the end people didn't turn out to support her. It shouldn't have even been close.
1.5% may seem small, but in the electoral college, small shifts in key demographics like working-class, Hispanic, and Black voters can flip battleground states. Trump’s gains highlight Democratic struggles to hold and grow their base. Margins in swing states are more decisive than the popular vote.
Trump ran a horrible campaign with many blunders, yet Dems were too weak and flip-flopping to succeed. Instead of countering his racist immigration rhetoric and transphobia, they caved, letting him control the narrative. His failures exposed the Dems' lack of opposition, and poor messaging.
As much as I would love to hear it was rigged, I am glad you aren't saying that. Other progressive shows have been using emotionally charged wish-baiting titles and I respect you for not stringing us along for views, and for maintaining integrity in due diligence with the facts.
Well you and other "alternative" media jumped so damn quickly to say there's no irregularities.
Cyber election experts have sent letters to Harris.
Griggs of the ACLU in Georgia has filed a lawsuit.
Elias is representing multiple lawsuits in 4 swing States.
We need to begin the fight for the next election and stop all of his treachery now, not dwell in the past. Today he called Trump Treasonous Jan. 6th Terrorists/STORMTROOPERS, "hostages". Look to Florida for the beginnings of Trump's comeuppance. A perfect storm is brewing.
Did you happen to mention the bomb threats that were called in to voting locations on Election Day ( democrat strongholds) in Georgia by Russia ?
How was this not election interference ?
I saw lots of posts about this and it had me worried, then I looked it up on snopes and found the claims didn’t hold up. The left is already bad at voter turnout. If we start becoming conspiracy nuts I fear more people will believe it’s rigged and not vote in the future.
That's a tough spot to be in. There are rumors claiming it was rigged. But I would say what is more troubling is the phone calls/bomb threats/ballots boxes/gerrymandering destroyed. How do we combat that.
I guess by continuing to discuss right wing media talking points and assuming American exceptionalism all the way to our shared graves? We do need independent media to start transcending this paradigm quickly and reporting on the global context of our election and its being compromised.
David, only trying to keep your face because you told the other side rightfully that their claims were baseless isn't enough effort to just give away freedom
“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”
Many progressive ppl haven't learned that lesson, yet.
Don’t be silly. It would be miraculous if T and company did not do many things to suppress votes, inundate swing voters with lies and possibly other activities that fucked up the vote. Putin was all in on this one.
If you were willing to have Mike Lindell on more than once and easily refute him, it seems to me the same could be done with some of those cyber security experts who wrote that letter of concern.
Yep independent media is ignoring RU's attacks on democracy, including our own. American exceptionalism will be a part of our demise. No system is impenetrable and many hacks can skirt by existing audits in our processes.
It's not that - it's the problem that: if we even try to claim there was.. it plays into their idea that 2020 was stolen. Then ZERO people trust elections. I don't see enough evidence of this yet. Voters from last time simply didn't show up to vote at all, and that was the problem.
Note that, though I can't bookmark my own posts, I will make a prediction: next election, we will have Matt Walsh or someone else "admitting" (insincerely) that it was stolen and that we shouldn't vote. Zero people should fall for this. Don't discourage the idea that voting WORKS.
There's actually a lot of evidence of election interference by Russia in 2016, 2020, and 2024. I do get your point, but I think that ship is sailing anyways. I think if more Americans demand Biden act now, it could help course correct this nose dive.
All I can assume is American exceptionalism at play, or intentional grifting of outrage engagement, or true fear of the incoming fascist regime. Could be a mix of these as well. If true, this would be treason, so might be good to check soon!
That was my impression when we were trying to raise alarm bells at the state level. Establishment has been indignant towards the people. Thousands of people, professionals in their fields, have been ignored and media is complicit in ignoring us. It isnt conspiracy, it's anomalous data.
Recall that Cyber Ninjas confiscated machines after 2020. Russia launched 100’s of bomb threats in blue leaning precincts. A convicted felon who tried to overturn the last election was at the top of the R ticket. All of this was out in the open. It is okay to ask for a recount given this background.
Lmfao fuck people like that. We have principles, standards, and integrity.
That doesn't mean we should play the artificial "balanced" game the MSM has, but we have PLENTY of true things to say like Trump's attempted Coup in 2020, instead of the baseless conspiracies that they do.
I suppose he rigged it in the sense that he played dirty by strategically and consistently peddling in misinformation and disinformation in order to manipulate the public and their perception of the incumbent administration. Elon and Russia following suit in this behavior certainly helped him also.
The GOP's longest lasting and, possibly, most coherent strategy has been to let any organized opposition destroy itself from within. And we fall for it. Every. Single. Time.
People I know and love people who I was sure would never vote for trump did, it’s crazy. I do think that most people are too busy to research and are brainwashed by Joe Rogan and Fox and Elon. Still voting for a convicted Sex offender blows my mind but they did!!! 🤯
You should be talking about it. He said he would cheat, he has a history of cheating and lying and there are numerous red flags about this election. We’re being gaslit into silence about even questioning by MSM but you’re “supposed” to be “different”. FREEDOM>OPTICS.
People live in bubbles (including me) and cannot believe a plurality voted for that guy.
It might be a good thing to discuss on the show: How do we actually connect and talk with folks who voted for Trump, especially the ones that did it reluctantly?
In 2020 it was clear there wasn't any widespread voter fraud and we spent 4 years defending the results. It'd be the height of hypocrisy to start claiming voter fraud without significant evidence (there just isn't any evidence). If we go that route though, I'm for the "It's Venezuela!" angle.
I can’t read it right now but I definitely will. I wasn’t saying it’s insane to hold an investigation, but it’s completely insane to maintain the accusation even after investigations. If the investigation finds something it’s worth doing. If it doesn’t I’d accept the results. They don’t. It’s wild.
The point is they NEED TO INVESTIGATE. MSM AND Indy media are both saying “WELL we have ‘no proof’ “but won’t look at the HUGE red flags or talk about the need to investigate FOR FURTHER PROOF! It’s all optics over everything and complicity in the overthrow of our country by a bootleg Kremlin.
I 100% agree. The difference is that we demand an investigation. They deny investigation results and assert it was stolen. We have reasonable suspicion so an investigation is necessary. It was necessary last time too, but the results were conclusive. So we should hope for the same thing here.
You have to investigate to find evidence and no one’s even considering opening up an investigation.
If any other Republican had run I wouldn’t think twice about a fraudulent election. But Trump has spent his whole life conning and scamming so I’m sure he did some shady sh*t on election day.
I say screw them, stick with the truth, or what you can prove. You are doing the right thing, they are wring for asking you to claim something that can not be proven, (at this point at least)
What would have been the problem with the powers looking into it? Why is this so offensive to the so-called progressives? Just the mention of a recount or just looking into the election is blasphemous. If you think (they) wouldn't or couldn't have interfered it is reason enough for them to try.
Even in the land of like-minded folks, there seems to be a lack of direction and leadership. I think people are grasping at something that makes sense in this never-ending news cycle of crazy-as-hell nominations for pivotal positions in our government. Anything that makes it make sense.
i don't have a show but i genuinely believe that. idc what you say on your show, but it makes a lot of sense for trump and republicans to cheat because they think the dems cheat. also they did try to cheat in 2020 with the fake elector scheme. so you'd have to believe they didn't cheat this time
Have they even bothered to submit their theories to the data science and technology peer review groups? That's not Davids job! Seriously, though, Donny has a new bff that's like shit stuck to his shoe since he 'won' that has access to all our data and many many many satellites placed in the sky!👁️js
There's a lot of fishy stuff with the election but it would be irresponsible to make such a claim without a smoking gun. Not that it stops the opposition from doing the same.
Independent media should be informing people about the well documented election interference by RU. It was an act of war. The stakes are so high, and they're just reporting in response to right wing talking points. We have to look above at global context.
Thanks for giving factual analysis. Accepting that 49.8 % of America voted for this.... it's the first step to honest evaluations. Saying the election was rigged? No help.
I’m a leftist, not a liberal. Numbers I’ve seen say people just didn’t bother to show up and vote, or voted third party. Trump didn’t gain voters, apathy and bigotry won!
There are several results that have observers titlting their heads and thinking 'that doesn't seem right' but no clear evidence. Then again, if clear evidence of election interference/rigging did come to light, who would be surprised?
Can't get clear evidence without investigating. That's why people like his former subscriber are so passionate. The type of hacking can be done to avoid detection by audits... our systems are not impenetrable, ask anyone with a basic understanding of security.
Imagine how it might feel for someone who moved over to Democrat after being a lifelong Republican.. and this happens. I imagine some of these folks heard about fraud for so long in their own camp they wonder if it's Russia style projection gaslighting to say it wasn't rigged.
Why is Greg Palast never mentioned in this regard? Voter suppression is how we were played. Up to 2 million swing-state voters suppressed using Jim Crow laws. Go figure…
I do want to know more about those bomb threats in swing districts that were done by the Russians. Not enough to say it was rigged but absolutely could be enough to say it was compromised if we found out there was coordination.
“If we found out there was coordination”? Are you saying it is a coincidence and a bunch of random Russians all decided to call in bomb threats in heavily democratic districts in swing states on Election Day all at the same time by accident? And they weren’t connected to each other?
At least I wish they had asked for a hand count in the swing States. People are complaining about their votes not being counted, and I would like more peace of mind!
As one of those computer scientists (with formal cyber security training), I find the suggested hack completely plausible and believe we need to have the recount just to make sure.
I'm not in the "100% it was hacked camp", but 5% is still enough to justify a recount.
The scientific method demands we test hypotheses--and yours deserves that attention.
The Mossad demonstrated that money, tech and motivation can corrupt seemingly well functioning machines that work just fine...until they don't. Following that, there could be a previously undetected malware afoot.
An election machine was illegally accessed by GOP operatives in 2020 and they brought hackers to analyze it. If they cracked the encoding in that time, then they would be able to change votes in transit between the voting precinct and the tabulation center.
If I may…and I’m in the school that believes it was “rigged”, but not in the way tallies can be verified. They spent nearly four years essentially purging votes, tossing through civil vote challenges and vote harvesting. The claims about the Amish registrations should be verified, too. Software
hacks may never be proved unless the FBI had direct monitoring of specific precincts ahead of time. So we can recount all we want, if you don’t have an absolute total vote count as a control total, we may never know exactly how many votes were not counted. What we do know is the the number was so
egregious that it stands out. I’m sorry, but if you believe that 7 million people that voted in the last election sat out for this one, please let me know. Confirm that for me David. I’ll drop you as well. Thanks.
People are emotional about this election, but even if you don’t totally agree it’s important that we stick together and support people when we can! I don’t personally understand how anyone could think Trump somehow rigged the election…
Gee. It seems like a lot of people are realizing that the math isn't mathing with this election.
Don't roll over and take it.
We need to stand up and fight.
I'm not a "roll over" lefty- I'm a "do whatever the fuck it takes, cuz this is my home and no you can't have it" lefty.
Well I'm going to cancel for a much better reason. That brown sweater you wore was, "U.G.L.Y it ain't got no alibi, it ugly" But, seriously great shows without conspiracy theory is appreciated, even with the brown sweater. 🤣
I believe our voting system is open to corruption and the math doesn't completely math here. Why? And why not look? It doesn't mean you don't believe in election integrity, or that you're a conspiracy theorist or that you're maga. It means you're willing to do the work to keep things secure.
Please always stay with facts... we need reliable sources. It is sad though that people are probably believing some Russian propaganda and going down such rabbit holes.
Unbelievable, we lost and that’s that! Let’s be a bigger person and see how the next four years unfold. I’m worried but we have to support each other and not against! David continue your great work and great reporting!
Unless there is solid evidence we can't claim that it was rigged, otherwise we look and sound just like they did in 2020.
I don't like the outcome but it is what it is, we now have to go on offense, and beat them before they can implement any of their stupid projects 2025 shit
Cyber election experts have sent letters to Harris.
Griggs of the ACLU in Georgia has filed a lawsuit.
Elias is representing multiple election lawsuits in 4 swing States.
As long as there is solid evidence then sure do it legally, but I wouldn't just start saying it during a podcast, otherwise we look like sore losers just like the MAGAts
One of those people. Well, you are entitled to your own opinion. As long as it is theirs. I have people on mute now because I said Pete Buttigieg would be a better choice than AOC in 2028 because she needs seasoning. My opinion. You are not going to convince me otherwise. It is opinion, not fact.
Me, too. He has history of negotiating agreements between opposing sides. All behind the scenes while giving credit and never claiming. Maybe not so much internationally, but he is a unifier. AOC studied international affairs in school? Great. Does that mean we give a physics major nukes on Day 1?
To be clear, I still love AOC. AOC is great at unifying people within America.
Many people who voted for AOC also voted for Trump. She has the same populist and outsider appeal that Trump has. It would be a great way to replace Trumpism with a more heathy economic populism.
Maybe Trump didn't have a direct hand in it, however there are investigations under way regarding some "irregularities". Some involving SL. Do we know anyone associated with SL that may have had the motivation and ability to affect the results? It's an interesting situation.
There is something that I haven’t heard anyone mention. It relates to the last four years of claims by the Trump camp regarding the supposed theft of the 2020 election. How do those people now explain how the election was stolen in 2020 under Trump, yet Trump won in 2024 under Biden.
The rigging was done by Musk, the billionaires & oligarchs who control most of the media, especially local & rural media. But how do you begin to enforce laws when those breaking them have so much power & privilege, and half the population voted for the party of lawlessness & disorder?
It's easier to live in a bubble then admit Democrats misread the voters. The same thing happened to the GOP at the midterms. People are unhappy and disengaged. Harris was unpopular during the primary and as VP. Dems didn't champion their wins and failed on public promises
I'd also add that Dem leadership like Pelosi are unpopular on the left as well. It's hard to believe they actually believe in change while making millions of the current system and blocking reform. They have to be something besides just 'not Trump'
Same. I'm personally a fan but I think in some of the enthusiasm for a new candidate people forgot that she may not have been a strong candidate to begin with.
It’s frustrating they won’t ask for a recount. But, I refuse to go down rabbit holes of false hope. Let them go find the conspiracy theorists who will say what they want to hear, while the rest of us plan for the bleak reality of a four year shit show. I’d rather learn how to resist than go crazy🤪🤪
2020 election denialists "rendered the topic of election security entirely unpalatable for polite society."
But 2024 was rife w/ issues: Record turnout yet fewer votes, missing ballots, so many split tickets, GOP accessing voting software, Russian bomb threats...
Exactly, Republicans would love Democrats to act "crazy" as you call it. They'll be able to call Dems the weird ones and feel justified for their doubts in 2020.
Yep, but obviously there are no grounds for it. Don't give them a valid reason by claiming there was widespread fraud in the 2024 election while there's no proof (yet?).
There was absolutely enough shady happenings to at least request a recount which is within her rights. You can’t forever live within the criticisms of people who are delusional, lying, and willfully ignorant. It will never be enough and they will hold themselves to a different (as in no) standard
The count isnt gonna matter, its treating a fraudulent victory as legitimate that makes me treat this election as illegitimate. Trump stole the 2016 election when he commited 34 felonies. The Republicans are a crime syndicate.
They dont need grounds to do anything, we can still be rooted in reality and say there is "widespread fraud". The Republican party and the maga zombie horde are the wide spread fraud. Stop hedging and start spinning.
There was almost definitely no widespread fraud. Claiming there was is not staying rooted in reality. Unless there is actual proof, there is no reason to claim there was, besides to toxify public discourse. The Republican party may be full of fraud, but that has nothing to do with the election.
There are definitely signs there that there should be a recount. Lots of very strange activity in swing states, including the Trump only ballots, bomb threats and the involvement of Starlink. Wanting there to be further scrutiny is not the same thing as denying the results.
Exactly! I don’t like that many are acting like this election was cut and dry and completely above board - knowing what we know about the characters and their history. Also, if things look odd it’s worth it to take a second look.
I've heard about these Trump only ballots but what is the actual margin? I'd love to believe it was rigged but no one actually gives any numbers. If all of those bullet ballots weren't there would Kamala have won any swing states? The popular vote? This always being left out is sus.
100% on this, but I don't begrudgingly people the opinion that we shouldn't ask either. It's a tough call on where to spend limited political capital. Everyone that doesn't want Trump needs to chill with attacking each other, at least until MAGA's our of the picture. Only way to get through this.
And there can be no proof if there is no recount which it looks like there will be no recount. I accept that I cannot change that. That doesn’t mean that I think a recount is non-valid.
We are asking for a recount. That is not unreasonable. We are not storming the capital and I don’t care what they call us and I don’t care whether they feel justified or not. We can’t change them. I don’t want them changing us.
Do you know what a controlled burn is? It's literally fighting fire with fire. And sometimes, you just have to challenge crazy with crazy.
Don't roll over and take it. Fight.
Maybe look around before just assuming people are blindly accusing and attacking. There are SEVERAL issues with this election that warrant an audit (which is our right) in the very least.
I’m sure you don’t actually want to know or you would’ve looked it up yourself or gone to the multiple links I’ve posted through out this thread and I’m not going to waste my time explaining it to you but here’s a start
Cyber election experts have sent letters to Harris.
Griggs of the ACLU in Georgia has filed a lawsuit.
Elias is representing multiple lawsuits in 4 swing States.
Ultimately only Kamala Harris can request a recount in time to matter in the swing states, even if there are anomolies. so far she hasn't, that I am aware of.
One problem is if there is proof of any foul play this time, trump supporters will just use it to claim it proves it happened in 2020 too.
To be fair, they don’t need to manufacture bs “proof” because proof doesn’t matter to them. Reality doesn’t matter to them. When they’re saying batshit crazy things like “Dems made hurricanes to affect the election in Florida” all common sense has gone out the window.
It just takes for a liberal to act or say once what conservatives constantly do or say for us to be at the same level forever. And Pierre Morgan and others will say, you see! You guys do it too! Both sides are the same!
Hey man, I’m all for calling out the shadiness of the election (especially with the thrown away mail in ballots) but there’s no way trump would’ve been able to rig the election. Just gotta do better in midterms.
I was worried at first, because I was in shock. Then I read from Kamala’s book how she understands our election systems vulnerabilities. If there is something seriously wrong, she knows.
It’s nice that you care what she thinks, but you really shouldn’t base your opinions on what someone else thinks. Trump’s too big of a moron to actually steal an election, maybe a chocolate bar but I doubt it.
I think it’s possible that Elon and Russia could. But I think it’s more likely that propaganda and misinformation won out. I think an election conspiracy is possible but unlikely.
Are you saying you think the election was stolen? Or are you saying that I’m delusional for not doubting the election results? Either way, I’m confused.
Wow dude did you just accuse me of being a Trumper.Perhaps you can offer some proof to back up that accusation.I may be labelled a republican but that is due to me living in the North of Ireland .Be very careful about labels bro.
I'm one of the crazy ones that wish Harris had asked for a recount in one state just to be sure, but people really need to chill on attacking people that don't feel that way. Recount/not is a judgment call balancing the political capital lost against the small chance you catch fraud.
My god, suddenly the left has become as dense as trumpists. This was probably the most closely scrutinized election in the history of the US. It's as simple as lots of dolts in this country voting for cheaper eggs over having a working democracy.
Widespread fraud is incredibly difficult to do in the USA because elections are so hyper-locally focused, with observers from both parties at all polling centers.
But voter suppression through purging of voter databases and ridiculous ‘proof of citizenship’ laws is a real problem.
You don't even think there's a suspicion that, after four years of whining about 2020 being "stolen" from him, he didn't have enough help to steal this one?
As far as I can see No evidence of trump rigging election has been discovered. What is more clear is that the hand held access to the worlds knowledge.. has been turned into a mentally poisoning propaganda machine for the weak minded
I guess that’s the real difference between republicans and democrats, when democrats accuse someone of a crime like say rigging elections they have evidence before they make allegations.
We all know this - doesn’t need to be said, needs to be investigated. The math doesn’t math - Oomphaloompa did say people didn’t need to worry about voting, he had it covered.
We literally have Russia's multi-decade psyops playbook and people just assume we are magically immune as Americans. That is what is "crazy" to me. Big tech just accelerated our demise.
yeah if we can find millions in evidence then sure we must then claim trump rigged the election outside of trump being unqualified and massive gerrymandering that favored republicans.
but we need evidence and a real whistleblower if he knows how elon knew trump won hours before ap count knew?
They did steal the election. Out in the open for everyone to see, Elon musk bribing, Russians paying right-wing incels to promote propaganda and conspiracies etc. They didn't even try to hide it this time. And they got away with it. Merrick Garland apparently is in a coma, has anyone checked on him?
Fact check: the Republicans did not steal the election. There is ZERO evidence. So you can either moan about it like they did in 2020, - again without evidence - or accept the result like a mature adult.
Fact check as far as I know it is illegal to bribe people to vote. Russia took over the right wing pundits. They did interfere they just did it out in the open
Oh you must be a fan of Elon 🙄 I know he does no wrong to you guys. Billionaires buying an election is supposed to be illegal and unpatriotic. I'm surprised you're okay with it
From what I hear, the whole $1 million “lottery” scheme by Musk allowed access to voter data. With the voting machines compromised… it’s a bit sus. I’m ALL for automatic recount. Measure Twice, Cut Once
I think that you have to acknowledge that the results are not all in line with what we witnessed, though. You can't have record turnouts in every city and then say that vote totals were less than 16 or 20. You can't have massive enthusiasm for Harris and say she lost all 7 swing states.
Agree. She lost all 7 swing states in record time, including PA where they lost 13K ballots. I also think their successful gerrymandering played a role.
The math doesn't math. I don't think anything will stop trump from taking office, but I do think that in time we will learn that the election was, in fact, rigged by Elon.
There's no conspiracy theory. I live in Pennsylvania. I know this state well. Trump didn't fairly win it. It's that simple. And a tech giant bragging how easy it was to change votes, having a seat in the administration. Really? That's far fetched?
Exactly. It's why I've stopped watching pretty much everyone i was watching. Trying to force feed me the narrative that it was a fair election. Bullshit. Go ahead and roll over if you want. I will not. Antifa. Come to bluesky. It's been pretty good so far. Kinda like Reddit meets Twitter of old.
WELL with this level of apathy and holding zero accountability you sure seem to hope you’re right! It is the PEOPLES responsibility to speak truth to POWER and that INCLUDES the media. 🤦🏽♀️
Bomb threats tied to Russia on Election Day in swing states should be MORE than enough 2 sound the alarm and that is just 1 of MANY suspicious activities ths elction. An audit is necessary and our legal right. These Indy news outlets should be talking about it instead of just banking on his insanity
This seems to be a pervasive theory and I’m really not here for it. Nothing was stolen. Not in 2020, not in 2024. And to make it about that diminishes the very real problem in this country that a majority of people wanted this bullshit to run the show
I've made the comparison before that the "GOP Stole 2024" feels a lot like the "Electors will save us" of 2020. Is it possible? Maybe. Likely? No. It's a hope we have, that somehow the world isn't as dark as it looks right now.
It’s not being a conspiracy theorist to state that there are irregularities that should be investigated.
Bomb threats, voters saying their votes didn’t register, Rogan saying Musk had an app that told him Trump won 4 hours before it was called, Musk’s “vote raffle” or whatever that was
There’s going to be a “give them exactly what they asked for” movement.
Ex. I fired a longtime client, a caring vet. He was genuinely shocked when I said that as a fellow sincere Christian and patriotic America, I must take a moral stand. “Take your business elsewhere,” and hung up on him.
I believe there were a large Amount of suspicious bullet votes for trump in battle groundstates.should be just cause for a recount ..programing hack .
But until proven we must endure
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But, it doesn't hurt to mention that a lot of maga loyalists where put into election official positions in the last year and a half. Election officials are supposed to be nonpartisan. Very suspicious.
Election was rigged .
He does not have a mandate, he only won by
1.6% a plurality. I dont' see any harm with a recount, afterall they took Dems to court 60 times over 2020 election.
A lie is a lie and should not stand.
Good for you, David.
As hard as it is to accept - this country voted for h ate.
But there were less votes than 2020?! WTF.
Especially considering those machines were handed over in multiple cases?
Also used false/opposite messaging, advertising in swing states.
ENOUGH!
If we start to believe crazy, and ignore logic, chaos will take control
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1ATjsgG3YlLQdIqhJXMa73VWOaPlYLQNK6JYPaFiHz38/mobilebasic
My argument here is that I don't know he (Trump) cheated in previous elections. It is a FACT that he certainly tried to circumvent the entirety of norms and processes, but he wasn't successful.
I'm not one, but I would really like it reported by you as if it's true.
Maybe I should have John Barron call Forbes for me instead?
But in the end people didn't turn out to support her. It shouldn't have even been close.
People were getting bad information and made bad decisions because of wrong information.
MAGA ran fake Harris ads to push voters away. That shouldn't be legal.
AND the gerrymandering has taken DEM districts OUT. We even lost 1 in Minnesota.
Cyber election experts have sent letters to Harris.
Griggs of the ACLU in Georgia has filed a lawsuit.
Elias is representing multiple lawsuits in 4 swing States.
https://youtu.be/X3hXeEiFcJM?si=DOk52PMz8dtgu7jZ
How was this not election interference ?
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/election-day-bomb-threats-overwhelmingly-targeted-democrat-leaning-rcna179006
That’s a big part of why we actually lost the election.
Trump won, to our horror and shame as Americans, he did win.
Many progressive ppl haven't learned that lesson, yet.
Let's see if there is proof this year.
The math is not mathing in a lot of states, imo..
"THAT COULD NEVER HAPPEN HERE!"
With a mix of a little bit of arrogance that they know best.
It may have just happened kids. We need to at least take a look at things.
That doesn't mean we should play the artificial "balanced" game the MSM has, but we have PLENTY of true things to say like Trump's attempted Coup in 2020, instead of the baseless conspiracies that they do.
It might be a good thing to discuss on the show: How do we actually connect and talk with folks who voted for Trump, especially the ones that did it reluctantly?
If any other Republican had run I wouldn’t think twice about a fraudulent election. But Trump has spent his whole life conning and scamming so I’m sure he did some shady sh*t on election day.
Independent media should be informing people about the well documented election interference by RU. It was an act of war. The stakes are so high, and they're just reporting in response to right wing talking points. We have to look above at global context.
So many suppression activities across the country is certainly why Kamala lost — no one should have to wait 5 hours to vote.
Sorry I am ready to fight everyone this morning :)
And, there's no harm in funding the hand-recount of small number of precincts instead of going "Big Lie" like conservatives do.
I'm not in the "100% it was hacked camp", but 5% is still enough to justify a recount.
The Mossad demonstrated that money, tech and motivation can corrupt seemingly well functioning machines that work just fine...until they don't. Following that, there could be a previously undetected malware afoot.
Musk has been confirmed to have spoken with Putin prior to the election.
I think his access to Trump/Mar A Lago after the election is about more than the money he gave, or his manipulation of the platform he purchased.
Don't roll over and take it.
We need to stand up and fight.
I'm not a "roll over" lefty- I'm a "do whatever the fuck it takes, cuz this is my home and no you can't have it" lefty.
The next 4 years are already going to be tough. No need to add paranoia to that.
I don't like the outcome but it is what it is, we now have to go on offense, and beat them before they can implement any of their stupid projects 2025 shit
Griggs of the ACLU in Georgia has filed a lawsuit.
Elias is representing multiple election lawsuits in 4 swing States.
https://youtu.be/X3hXeEiFcJM?
Many people who voted for AOC also voted for Trump. She has the same populist and outsider appeal that Trump has. It would be a great way to replace Trumpism with a more heathy economic populism.
Barack Obama? 4.
That’s why they should be paired together, for AOC to gain experience and serve as Bernie’s back up if he falls ill.
I'm disappointed...
But 2024 was rife w/ issues: Record turnout yet fewer votes, missing ballots, so many split tickets, GOP accessing voting software, Russian bomb threats...
https://open.substack.com/pub/tinfoilmatt/p/nine-ways-to-prove-the-2024-election?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=n3yr9
Don't roll over and take it. Fight.
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1ATjsgG3YlLQdIqhJXMa73VWOaPlYLQNK6JYPaFiHz38/mobilebasic
Griggs of the ACLU in Georgia has filed a lawsuit.
Elias is representing multiple lawsuits in 4 swing States.
https://youtu.be/X3hXeEiFcJM
One problem is if there is proof of any foul play this time, trump supporters will just use it to claim it proves it happened in 2020 too.
You had to post a 22 min YouTube clip from some podcast instead?
But voter suppression through purging of voter databases and ridiculous ‘proof of citizenship’ laws is a real problem.
The outcome was brought about by a much, much broader coalition of shady actors which reached all the way to the highest levels of the Trump admin.
Read this long thread with video evidence to understand how they did it 👇🏼
https://bsky.app/profile/tobifrenzen.bsky.social/post/3lbgkimf6bk2y
but we need evidence and a real whistleblower if he knows how elon knew trump won hours before ap count knew?
The moment you move to conspiracies you have lost the plot.
We need to recognize the reality. A majority of people didn't vote Dem this cycle. Attack the actual problem, not phantoms.
Bomb threats, voters saying their votes didn’t register, Rogan saying Musk had an app that told him Trump won 4 hours before it was called, Musk’s “vote raffle” or whatever that was
Ex. I fired a longtime client, a caring vet. He was genuinely shocked when I said that as a fellow sincere Christian and patriotic America, I must take a moral stand. “Take your business elsewhere,” and hung up on him.
But until proven we must endure