Atlantic writers keep echoing each other with stuff like this, but they should answer these Qs instead: Which immigration policies should Biden have not adopted that he did adopt? Which changes to immigration policy that Trump is now instituting should Dems support, and which should they oppose? - ThreadSky

gregsargent.bsky.social • 23 days ago

Atlantic writers keep echoing each other with stuff like this, but they should answer these Qs instead:

Which immigration policies should Biden have not adopted that he did adopt?

Which changes to immigration policy that Trump is now instituting should Dems support, and which should they oppose?

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lisamorrison.bsky.social•23 days ago

I can’t vote therefore I am not

billthepony.bsky.social•23 days ago

" on immigration, Democrats are focused on the people impacted by the policy... The immigrants... You know the people who are impacted by the f****** policy... Really they should be focused on the emotions of white people who hate Brown people.... This isn't that hard"

fauxrrari1.bsky.social•23 days ago

Biden is gone and dems have essentially no power anywhere, yet your focus is all about them? Huh? There's this group called the GOP that ARE making news... elsewhere....

matgopack.bsky.social•22 days ago

Dems did exactly what he's calling for there last 2 years and it unsurprisingly didn't work, classic centrist

lakecountydem.bsky.social•23 days ago

This isn't hard: most Americans want the friggin border controlled, regardless of whether they want robust or limited immigration. He should have sent agents/troops to the border and closed the asylum loophole. And he should have offered the GOP a grand bargain: (cont)

lakecountydem.bsky.social•23 days ago

We will build every wall Trump wanted, put teeth into e-verify, etc. in exchange for green card "amnesty" for those here now, a compromise I bet most Americans would have supported.

knewsy.bsky.social•23 days ago

Trump killed that immigration bill because he needed to politicize it. So, stop blaming Democrats and Biden

lakecountydem.bsky.social•23 days ago

That wasn't "that immigration bill." I'm saying you give Trump everything he asks for on boarder security in exchange for "green card amnesty" for those here now. Neither were on the table.

redoubters.bsky.social•23 days ago

How do you close the "asylum loophole" without removing the right to petition for asylum as is both a US law and a basic human right

lakecountydem.bsky.social•23 days ago

You change the application procedure and if you have to house them at the border and process quickly. We have 125,000 (probably less now with Trump) assylum spaces and these are supposed to go to people fleeing perseuction, not violence and poverty (as sympathetic as those are, and not to say (ctd)

lakecountydem.bsky.social•23 days ago

no such immigrants should be admitted). We could fill four times that quota with applicants from Sudan and DRC alone.

crumbsthecat.bsky.social•23 days ago

Processing them quickly is impossible without the personnel that would have come with passage of the border bill. You are blaming Biden for not doing things that he tried to do but which Congress refused to authorize, on Trump’s orders, for explicitly political reasons.

lakecountydem.bsky.social•23 days ago

No, Trump owns that but it remains 100% fault that Biden did nothing when the nightly news showed unauthorized immigrants breezily walking into the nation for YEARS before the bill you're talking about. If you have to house them at the border longer, you do so - the reason they cam in droves was

lakecountydem.bsky.social•23 days ago

because of Biden's quasi-open border policy. I give Biden a lot of the benefit of the doubt on things fellow center-left Dems criticize him on, but not this - it was political suicide and one he all but smirked at.

jeffreyquackenbush.bsky.social•23 days ago

Politically, Biden probably should have instituted the asylum restrictions sooner, and Democratic *messaging* should have been more focused on a law-and-order themes.

Substantively, Congress should have passed comprehensive immigration reform...

jeffreyquackenbush.bsky.social•23 days ago

...but the GOP didn't want to give Biden a "win" and immigration policy is a low-priority issue for normie Democrats.

smegmaticsmotrich.bsky.social•22 days ago

Yeah they should have nominated a prosecutor who repeatedly stated that Trump was right about immigration…….

decmusicology.bsky.social•22 days ago

What is frustrating about these Atlantic takes is that Biden himself engaged in some policy decisions that significantly reduced the flow of migrants from its initial height. The idea promulgated by rightists and centrists that he was just waving people through doesn't square with reality

beihai.bsky.social•22 days ago

how about the facts that "despite" these migrants coming in US enjoyed the most robust growth of all major industrialized nations and actually not question that the reason we did is not despite but BECAUSE OF.
around as many ppl are retiring as native born entering workforce, immigrants fill jobs

beihai.bsky.social•22 days ago

the US is a signatory of the protocols on the status of refugees and a key principle is nonrefoulement, Biden has simply enforced our existing laws and treaty. it doesn't guarantee acceptance but it does guarantee due process. Trump wants to end the process, end immigration (except for rich people)

kilocharlie237.bsky.social•23 days ago

📌

xinrtj.bsky.social•23 days ago

Can disagree, agree, or some of both with these takes, but Atlantic’s David Frum for example wrote specifically answering some of these questions vy early in Biden admin, and before.

lisajhoran.bsky.social•23 days ago

@theatlantic.com specifics?? please??

zman1527.bsky.social•23 days ago

There is a good point there. Dems seem like they care more about immigrants than the average Joe. When did they last try to raise the minimum wage?

progressivepeter.bsky.social•22 days ago

And which of the taxes these immigrants paid should the feds remit? I'm thinking all Social Security taxes to start

jarsilver.bsky.social•22 days ago

Biden’s record on asylum is shameful, but his expanded use of humanitarian parole was the best development in immigration policy in my lifetime. It improved conditions at the border and reduced the strain on the asylum system. But no one has or ever will talk about this.

beihai.bsky.social•22 days ago

jarsilver.bsky.social•22 days ago

Biden continued Trump’s unlawful asylum bans and has been credibly accused of acting contrary to nonrefoulement and Convention Against Torture. See East Bay Sanctuary Covenant v Biden, M.A. v. Mayorkas.

beihai.bsky.social•22 days ago

the vast majority of the refugees first port of entry to a signatory to the protocol was IN MEXICO, as such if they are legitimate refugees and not economic migrants they should apply for asylum there.
this is why Trump doesn't want Haitians or Cubans to land on Florida beaches

beihai.bsky.social•22 days ago

this is complicated due to the fact that remaining in Mexico was nonrefoulement. they weren't being returned to a country that would do them harm, and Mexico itself is a signatory to treaty
there is no reason why majority can't apply for asylum in Mexico itself. see Convention on Territorial Asylum

beihai.bsky.social•22 days ago

Mexico is a signatory to the Convention on Territorial Asylum

https://www.oas.org/juridico/english/treaties/a-47.html

beihai.bsky.social•22 days ago

to be clear, for a host of reasons I am for far greater immigration into America out of our own self interest. and certainly Biden wasn't perfect, his caving into anti-immigration for the GOP bill was terrible, but he was a shitton better than Trump is.

gregsargent.bsky.social•22 days ago

agree re parole. I've talked about it a lot, and begged people to get interested, but no luck

underscore-proto.bsky.social•23 days ago

But the onion skin is so delicious. Why peel it?

elementaleucology.com•23 days ago

Migrants and refugees aren't stakeholders!?!

Several centuries of custodial law and decades of international humanitarian law say the complete opposite.

moodlesmix.bsky.social•23 days ago

Democrats allowed themselves to be undermined on issues like abortion and immigration by settling for status quo resolutions like Roe v Wade and quasi legality of undocumented workers rather than fighting to strengthen the legal framework for either.

theoldboy62.bsky.social•22 days ago

I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!
Do you mean to tell me that it's an echo chamber?
If we had only known.

The pundit and commentator class is just as corrupt.
They depend on the patronage of their corporate sponsors and audience profiles.

It's time to accept that we are on our own.
Build new.

meredith-keith.bsky.social•23 days ago

Umm, posting a big quote without stating nor linking who actually wrote it is pretty lame reporting, yes?

clhoffman.bsky.social•23 days ago

There is an abundance of this kind of hypothetical article out there where the writer congratulates himself ( all he btw) on his unaccountable retro vision and bashes those who tried to do good work and I’m very glad to see you pushing back on all of them because it feels like you’re the only one.

duncanidho.bsky.social•23 days ago

I know this is getting into the weeds of processes and policies , it’s apparent our immigration system is designed to fail . Insufficient hiring of personnel in the EOIR, backlog of cases, https://www.justice.gov/d9/pages/attachments/2022/03/31/eoir_fy_23_bud_sum_3.31.22_228-6.pdf

msgl.bsky.social•23 days ago

yes, it is designed to fail so that employers can exploit undocumented workers.

duncanidho.bsky.social•23 days ago

Love your observation. Take some time to review the politico linked contract proposal , they have a section mentioning the exploiters . And remember undocumented workers and their employers pay payroll taxes in accordance with the regional laws .

duncanidho.bsky.social•23 days ago

Instead of putting the money into that? Detention and deportation contractors . Contract proposal sample obtained from Politico. https://www.politico.com/pdf/PPM154_proposal.pdf

duncanidho.bsky.social•23 days ago

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/25/documents-military-contractors-mass-deportations-022648

athenabird.bsky.social•23 days ago

Hell NO

alfredsokoro.bsky.social•23 days ago

Biden was just bad at theatrics on the immigration policy. Should have done like Obama and let the world know he was deporting some bad undocumented immigrants by thousands. Everytime Biden decided to show he was not Obama-Biden he paid a price (Immigration, JCPOA, Cuba, Israel)

chrisfumo.bsky.social•22 days ago

Biden was far to the right of Obama on immigration - this was his policy for most of his Term in Office; a complete Asylum Ban which stephen Miller and trump ordered in early 2020, under the pretext of Covid

https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-pandemics-public-health-new-york-health-4ef0c6c5263815a26f8aa17f6ea490ae

chrisfumo.bsky.social•22 days ago

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cdc-official-told-congress-migrant-expulsion-policy-not-needed-to-contain-covid/

chrisfumo.bsky.social•22 days ago

Dem committees in Congress also interviewed other CDC employees and found the exact same thing; Title 42 was obviously never about public health, just preventing hispanics from entering the United States

https://coronavirus-democrats-oversight.house.gov/news/press-releases/clyburn-trump-cdc-redfield-caputo-report

chrisfumo.bsky.social•22 days ago

and here is Mayorakas in late 2021 claiming - lying through his teeth - that DHS is using Title 42 to ban asylum bc CDC needs the policy bc so many people are dying of Covid

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mayorkas-dhs-title-42-immigration-095900696.html

mapodaca.bsky.social•23 days ago

Please state who wrote this and explicitly how many like this there are. I haven’t read one. Thanks

bigalincal.bsky.social•23 days ago

Missing from all of this is climate change and the resulting mass climate migrations that are likely to be one of the major global issues that we face. We may all be climate migrants- and every country must come up with some answers. Just keeping people out of not a solution.

napoleon-the-pig.bsky.social•23 days ago

Could you please tell us who this is from or provide a link?

gregsargent.bsky.social•23 days ago

The Atlantic, Josh Barro

napoleon-the-pig.bsky.social•23 days ago

Thanks - they have like 40 writers or whatever. He doesn't surprise me at all with that, but there are a bunch of others it would.

benfteresa.bsky.social•23 days ago

the suggestion that immigrants aren't "stakeholders in our politics" is as incorrect as it is morally reprehensible. They have a huge stake in our politics!

duncanidho.bsky.social•23 days ago

They pay taxes https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/

pragprog.bsky.social•23 days ago

The word “our” is doing a ton of work in that sentence in the article.

mattg.path.pub•23 days ago

The Atlantic has really gone downhill since Bezos bought it...

penguins18.bsky.social•23 days ago

While they are factually correct in that most Latino voters don't strongly support high immigration rates (contrary to conventional leftist wisdom), that is not why Harris lost ground with Latinos. She simply didn't connect with them (or anyone else) and they were suffering economically.

wattasecond.bsky.social•23 days ago

Like a lot of complaints about the Biden administration, they did "do something" it's just that they weren't able to solve the problem fast enough.

Arguably the Asylum Backlog was creating bad incentives already before the pandemic

riggsveda.bsky.social•23 days ago

“Why can’t Democrats be more like Republicans?” sang Josh Barro in his best Rex Harrison voice.

pragprog.bsky.social•23 days ago

Too many Americans have bought into the lie that immigration lowers wages.

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