Well... if they're just normal people, it's fine. But you surely need to watch out for criminals that hide from justice with migration. Or the number of thieves increase since undocumented people won't be able to earn money the normal way.
How would someone hide from the police by immigrating into a country that's actively hunting them down?
The number of thieves does not increase: undocumented folks commit crimes at a rate less than half that of natural citizens, and most of them earn money by working.
I may not be american yet I can be worried about other people's wellbeing. If some places had worse experience with immigration, it's not an agitation for banning them. It's a warning to take care about every possible outcome.
I have an idea. Since maga has a problem with brown people, let’s send them to the countries that the brown people came from and see how long they last
Truer words! Independent of any political affiliation WHATSOEVER…poverty is a calamity as a concept and cannot be singularized or worse FIXED?!! Wtf?…by singularizing the problem one existent or non existent 9 nine digit id (lottery ticket) number. Let’s fix poverty by I dunno…fixing poverty!!!
I agree with this like 99%
However with the large influx of people coming seeking asylum there is a big cost associated with that. NY has a big problem with a lot of their resources going toward housing undocumented immigrants seeking asylum
While I personally have no problem with that I can see why people would be bothered that their tax dollars are going towards that and not going towards programs that actually benefit them. And that was a major issue this election.
It’s just a distraction. It’ll cost the country more to “massive deportations” than keeping them here. But in the end, nothing will happen. Trump is lazy. He hardly worked during his last government.
This. Exactly. It is important to teach critical thinking in schools so people are able to discern when they are being played. Instead, they are moving to teach religion- the very opposite of critical thinking. NOW WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?
I mean without social security numbers and therefore without welfare its AN ISSUE, because there will be vulnerable people suffering and dying. They should have docs and welfare proactively (same in my country).
Florida regretted passing a law to block immigrants. Produce rotted in the fields. Community leaders were reduced to telling immigrants that the law was not serious and there was really no penalty. Tons of produce was plowed under.
They want to destroy the Department of Education along with the rest of the government. Stopping public education is the goal since they won’t be able to afford school for the children they’ll be forced to have. I hope they lose their minds over educating their kids. Homeschooling didn’t go well.
The Dept of Education was started by Jimmy Carter to get the support of the NEA. Education was doing fine. Nobody but the NEA wanted that department.
Education outcomes have only gone downhill since the creation of the Dept of Education.
How do I know? I have lived through it.
That's all fine and good, but underfunding it (and diverting money to private schools, literally robbing people of taxes to make a few individuals more personally wealthy) will make things worse, not better.
I like immigrants. I grew up in a very diverse area with immigrants, both legal and illegal, from all over the world as neighbors. They were generally cool AF, I learned a lot about other cultures, religions, cuisines, and history. They made me smarter and kinder.
100%% correct. Our anger and angst in pointed toward the WRONG group of people. As usual it's the filthy rich literally getting away with murder and grand theft.
Excellent points. We definitely need more balance in the income and net worth distribution. Otherwise, things will continue to get worse as the rich become richer and the poor become poorer. The middle will continue to shrink due to inflation.
Really we need a better education system
Teach people how to lose their strengths and become their purpose not work for a job to pay a mortgage then die like people do now !!
I personally have always said "ok. Even if they are taking your job, why are you getting mad at the person who is so down on their luck, they have to do your shitty job that you already weren't getting paid enough to do, for half, rather than the person who sold your job to save a dime." Punch up
The rub is that undocumented immigrants aren't actually taking jobs from anyone. The jobs they work are ones that most Americans are too lazy to do. They also create more jobs by being here. They need housing, clothes, food, vehicles, tvs, just like everyone else. It's just racism.
I think the immigrants are a bit of a problem. They may not be getting social security, but they're also not paying taxes and getting no protections from exploitative working conditions and modern day slavery. Most are clearly productive members of society that deserve citizenship!
They are a problem because "(they're) getting no protections from exploitative working conditions and modern day slavery."
Really? You actually meant that?
No no, the fact that illegal immigrants exist is the problem.
I think if you live in a country that claims "all people are equal", you should get the same rights and obligations as everyone else. Thus get to vote, work, live, and must pay taxes. They should be citizens by default
I would perhaps phrase it more like "the fact that some immigrants are held to be illegal." Without knowing you, it is easy to read your actually-compassionate statement as anti-immigrant. in the polarized political environment we currently live in. Just outside perspective from someone who agrees.
I just tend to do this thing where I repeat a mainstream right talking point that's just racism in disguise, but then twist into something accurate to contrast with the original point or provide a clearer perspective, and make the racism more obvious. Mb 300 chars is too short for this idea tho.
Most undocumented people pay taxes, but the rest is 100% true.
If you work in the US and provide service or produce value, you should have the legal protections of legal residency. The end. Anything else is racism and Puritan legalistic violence.
I basically agree with this - it is abhorent the way Trump made these people scapegoats and objects of, if not outright hatred, at least mistrust and fear. On the other hand, I think the US needs an immigration policy that treats those coming to our country with kindness and dignity and empathy.
It's a common technique used to blame a minority for failure. Hitler used it to great effect by blaming Jews for Germany's post WW1 problems. Today, Muslims and immigrants are the targets.
What confuses me is when I was young my uncle was an anti-Semite, always anti-Jewish and now as an MAGAt, he wants to defend Israel against the Palestinians. They are so dumb they can’t figure out who to hate.
Because it's not about the Jews, it's about the Christian end-times death cult not wanting to be left out of Armageddon. Like literally, explicitly that. Look into The Family in the 80s and 90s, an evangelical group with a huge amount of influence on American (and Western) politics.
true on its face, but two things are worth noting. first, plenty of "illegal" immigrants do in fact have social security numbers bc they actually arrived legally and/or received legal status, e.g. daca. but beyond that, legal status doesn't even matter period, this is a wholesale temper tantrum...
by racists who are just trying to hide behind claiming that they "want ppl to come here legally" when in reality they work hard to also make that impossible as well as stripping away legal status. it should be abundantly clear that target anyone who is bipoc will be targeted as "foreign" and...
face harassment from leo as well as have any assault or harassment of them by vigilantes go unpunished. at best. no one will be safe & they're likely going to try to instead target the victims of the vigilantism if they dare try to stand up for themselves in any way, shape, or form.
Many Americans tend to punch DOWN when casting blame for their economic problems when those problems are TRICKLING DOWN from above them. Those Americans are not only willfully unteachable about the economy, they are just as willfully unteachable about the ethical treatment of others. Just sayin'.
It's totally a non-issue, but right-wing politicians and the corporate media saw an opportunity to divide us and distract us. So they staged stunts like busing immigrants and kept it in the news. The vast majority of undocumented people have never committed a crime, but they never mention that.
Yep. The only immigration crisis is how long it takes to get in legally. Immigrants, even undocumented ones, are a demonstrable boon to the country. They pay taxes, they purchase goods, they commit fewer crimes than the native population. The few negatives are far outweighed by the positives.
The wall, mass deportation, the current state of the immigration process. It won’t do jack squat to fix the problem. It’s just an expensive aesthetic for people to feel like something is happening with the issue. You can deport all you want, but it won’t move what they think it will move, and
Actually not true. Wake up mate! Please check your sources and you’ll discover the massive dollars being spent on illegals regardless of if they do not have SSNs. Time to stop the invasion.
Can we agree immigration reform has been needed for decades? How to approach reform is the question. I am not into the"dramatic movie trailer version." Many independent economist don't feel a mass deportation will be cost effective. We shall soon find out. https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/how-does-immigration-affect-us-economy
The Koch brothers came up with a hideous platform, that NO ONE wanted, and it took them 44 yrs & thousands of $, if not millions, to finally get it close to the Whitehouse.
It’s all playing out right now! Our entire system of government and money is in the hands of unqualified flunkies. How long will it take for everything to come tumbling down? I’m worried to say the least.
They will make a sinister theater, they will build some camp, they will lock up tens of thousands, they will deport a few thousand, the abductees will applaud and the matter will be over. It would be difficult for the USA without the labor of the illegals.
Look on the bright side. It'll be a convenient way to shake down employers of undocumented workers for GOP campaign contributions. It's called putting the fix in.
And the dirty secret is that all of these folks get special SSN numbers indicating non-citizen but still pay into our SSN system and will never get a benefit. so yes, kick them out and try to live on your retirement savings when SSN goes bankrupt in 2031.
Here’s another perspective: immigrants can live and work in the U.S. They pay taxes and they pay money into social security. However, they are unable to benefit from the services that tax paying citizens do.
Therefore, immigrants are a form of slave labor. The U.S. did this same thing to freed black slaves after the civil war. It’s still racism. It always was.
If anyone cares. it's the same here in europe. In my country the right won the last election based on the immigrant rhetoric and I keep telling people that it isn't the brown people I saw digging through the trash that are in possession of the moneys you lack!
And when / if the undocumented migrants are gone, the people who stupidly voted for this rapist, felon, insurrectionist, con man, will be no better off. They almost certainly will soon be worse off. So this is my hope, to see those begging for this monstrous action, suffer in equal measure.
When I worked in restaurants and we got a fire inspection, half the kitchen staff would run out the back door thinking it was La Migra. Including citizens and legal res.
Would these same people risk applying for welfare, SS, or voting? No, they pay into SS but rarely/never get their money back
I said the exact same thing yesterday. Sure they're trying to keep people out but at this point I worry too about when they'll be trying to keep people in.
That's what I worry about also.
I can't help but remember East and West Berlin. And, people in Russia cannot always exit that country easily. Plus, since all the sanctions began, visas required to exit the country haven't been as readily available. I could see tRump & Co doing something like that.
For one, they do. Social Security isn't running out of benefits because of benefit payouts (which are insultingly low in the first place), it's because wages have stagnated, so less is being paid in by current workers
Immigrants don't drain the economy.
That is an overt lie. Always has been.
Those that drink up this kool-aid from the 1% are too ignorant and poorly educated to even understand what's being said here. We are drowning in a sea of stupidity.
I do care, just the thought of unvetted people who may have committed the most atrocious crimes in their country of origin but are now roaming our streets….so yes, i do care.
The general public does not understand the difference between refugees and illegal immigrants. Unfortunately, refugee system is highly abused by immigrants. You get a free ride in, a SSN and a work permit while your case runs in the system for years.
I agree; most of the so called "illegals" are doing jobs Americans won't. I wonder how far up prices will go in agriculture when it hits that we don't have anyone to pick the produce? Frankly, as long as they are not committing crimes, leave them alone and let them stay and build a life.
The only jobs Americans won't do are jobs with low pay.
My father used to pick apples in the Fall until they brought in caravans of migrant workers. This was in 1960 in upstate NY.
In 2016, when HE won the first time, states immediately started putting in harsher immigration laws. In Alabama, the undocumented and documented crop workers fled the state b/c AL passed a law that anyone could be asked for their “papers” at any time, and even the documented didn’t want… 1/2
…to be hassled by police b/c they had brown skin. Alabama grows tomatoes, which, like strawberries, have to be picked by hand (they ripen unevenly, they’re fragile). B/c workers fled, AL tried to use their state prison population for labor, but prisoners refused (as is their right), or were…2/3
…unable to pick at the rate of migrant workers (doc or undocumented) who follow the crops from state to state. That regressive, racist law (sorry, it passed in 2011, not 2016!) cost the state almost $11B/year. Most ppl, including me, don’t want to do backbreaking labor picking delicate crops.
To clarify, I am allergic for free movement between countries, and calling undocumented workers “illegal” is dehumanizing and reprehensible. #rightsforall
Not true. Per the SSS website, SSN is only needed for work. Certain categories of non citizens can receive SSI benefits. Some states and cities also provide tax supported aid to undocumented people.
Those cities and states are still allowed to decide how to spend their own $$$. And if you live in one of those places and disagree, you get to vote about this if it is actually related to where you live and how your taxes are spent. Federal immigrant aid categories are complicated and limited.
I went on disability before and after a transplant. I had to bring my paperwork with a wheelbarrow, including SSN. For Medicaid they made me get rid of my 401K to "spend frivolously" and then turned me down 'cause I moved. These are all steps my private insurance made me take BTW.
Well, it was harder for my wife as a legal resident. For me it was hard because the system is intentionally complicated precisely to avoid abuse, but at the same time it's very hard for someone in the process of dying, like I was, to keep the paperwork straight. I had to prove citizenship (cont.)
I frankly don't see how an undocumented person could manage to get any benefits at all besides those intrinsic to being a human, like emergency care, school for their kids, etc. Undocumented do pay taxes like sales/property taxes, but to get welfare/EBT they would need to steal an identity
Unless it's for their kids born here. One thing you don't want is unschooled, hungry kids, US citizens at that, bereft of any help or opportunities and headed for prison.
Bottom line, I can't say for sure that no undocumented immigrant has ever received welfare, but I find it very unlikely.
It is not hard for people looking to work to get an SSN illegally. ITIN’s are given to some non-US citizens. The format is exactly the same as an SSN. There’s basically no follow back by the government to make sure that the numbers that employees provide belongs to any individual worker.
Of course. There are non citizens here legally.It is probably a distinction without a difference for citizens who believe their benefits are threatened, however.
And while we have placed a secular form of legislative and judicial administration in place to preserve our economy (that ship sailed long ago along with the drug war),
It's SERIOUSLY LACKING in both humane operation and proper foresight.
Not really, It's just to point out the hypocracy of folk who supposedly follow the preachings of JC and then do the opposite. Y'never know, the penny may drop in one of them, but I'm not holding my breath.
and to a lesser extent in UK too. If it was not for immigrants our welfare/health provision would be unsupported, the birthrate would be EVEN lower and growth would be EVEN lower. We need to work harder, have more children and have a more equal society. In immigrants home countries it is even worse.
Sorry, but that is wrong. It is not an either or. Both can be factors. For low income folks, illegal immigration is an issue. Jobs need to get done. Wages will grow until then. Illegals will work for less than min wage, leaving legals at a disadvantage. Issue is BOTH workers and business owner.
No, I am blaming people who broke the law for breaking the law. Supply and demand. Lower income workers can get higher wages when there is a higher demand and lower supply.
Yes, WE know that, but about half of American (voters) are easy prey to dog-whistles and people who understand that a lie told often enough gets believed. Can fool some of the people some of the time...
Exactly right. The top 1% own 50% of this nation’s wealth. And the bottom 40% less than 1%. It’s absolutely criminal. But this country just elected a billionaire who is putting more billionaires in charge of everything, telling us to ‘tighten our belts.’ They don’t give a damn about our challenges.
And here is another article that summarizes the findings of a linked document that is heavily cited and supported by statistical evidence, which also concludes that crimes are committed by undocumented immigrants at a much lower rate than natural citizens:
The existence of another poor person is not why you're poor. It's because the people who control everything refuse to increase your wages."…. Wrong.. it’s choices.. we all make them.. it’s not luck… it’s effort and attitude.. being a victim is lame
On top of that, undocumented migrants often don't have legal protection or avenues to seek justice and are often taken advantage of and underpaid. Often the jobs they do don't pay enough for documented workers to want to do. They're just trying to survive. They aren't taking our jobs. Layoffs are.
Well, I'll just add that there are a multitude of reasons why we have poor people in this country. And higher wages for low skilled jobs is not the answer. I agree that illegal immigrants have no affect on job availability. It's just an excuse to blame someone for your problems.
You know what is draining Medicare? PBMs - for profit medications middle men between pharmacy and Medicare. Also do this to companies employee insurance.
Supposedly negotiating better prices of meds but more often jacking up the prices as if they were the pharma bro Martin Shkrell
I live in one of the most monoculturally white areas of the UK. At the last election I was dumbfounded by the number of people complaining about immigrants coming over here and taking our jobs.
People are complaining because no political party will explain that if we need mass immigration. The UK birth rate has plummeted thus there is a massive demographic time bomb ticking. So we need 4 to 6 million for immigrant workers to pay tax for pensions as we population ages.
I'm reminded of that scene in The Two Towers. King Theodon says, "Who can stand in the face of such reckless hate?" Aragorn replies, "Ride out with me."
We all need an Aragorn.
I don't think Americans should ignore their neighbors; however, in politics, priorities must be clearly set; and the priority of every state, including the American state, is the well-being of its citizens.
Perhaps.
Although we do have a representative democracy, so other constituencies can vote according to their concerns.
This is the danger of populism - charismatic voices whipping up people's emotions over things of which they have no experience.
SAME! I live in a rural area of the US that is ~ 96% white.
My friend told me his blue collar co-workers were bitching about "immigrants stealing our jobs," and he's certain most of them have never even met an immigrant.
Absolutely not. Florida found this out firsthand after they passed som strict laws around immigrant workers. Their entire justice system had to come out and say they weren't going to enforce the law because their economy immediately took a hit from all the jobs that suddenly had no one to do them
I had my roof replaced last year, all Mexicans. Only one spoke English. Got house painted a month later, same situation. But every bid I got was given by a white guy…🤔
Not at all. Most jobs that are available to any kind of immigrants here are mostly field work, laundry, cleaning services, lawn care, and manufacturing factories. All labor intensive jobs no one wants to do.
There's no job that no one is willing to do, with the right pay and working conditions. Large employers have gotten themselves permission to hire workers in variously precarious legal statuses, who therefore can never organize for the better treatment Americans would insist on.
Complaints about illegal immigration are almost never directed to the demand side for some reason, even though that's where--speaking of coyotes and CEOs and everyone in between--the true roguery happens.
No, they are intended to be done by the less capable Americans and teens as an entry-level job to learn hard work and responsibility. Those jobs have NEVER been intended to be "careers".
I'm not sure about america, but here in the UK we have an aging population that will need to be replaced, or else we run out of workers. I cant say for sure, but since multiple big countries including China are currently dealing with this, America might need to start bringing in more immigrants.
And do you realize how tone deaf your message is to those here legally that work these jobs?
Did the last election teach you nothing?
There has been a seismic shift in labor leaving our party. And it is comments like yours that are at the top of the list for reasons why.
Undocumented Immigrants make up more than 40% of the construction workforce in California. This is a low estimate and is based on self reporting eligibility by those surveyed.
No! Who is going to get out there early and work in the heat and any other conditions. Look how many people still work from the comfort of their home!!
Not at all. Removing the people who grow and pick your food, clean your bathrooms and hotels and homes, care for your aging parents, clean and build your streets and roadways and fight your Wars never ends well.
Nope. Most of the jobs immigrants take are the ones the citizens won't do. The immigrants are very hard workers and for the majority of them, they are so thankful to be here, they will do almost any job. They also get a lot of abuse from some really shitty employers as well.
There is no such thing as a stolen job in the first place. Nobody can just show up in your place and start receiving your paycheck. In the highly unlikely event that any immigrant ends up in your job, it's because your boss/company *gave* your job to that immigrant.
From somebody in the trades who does this work on a daily basis. I can assure you there were PLENTY of legally documented tradespeople who wanted those jobs. Just not for circa 2000 wages.
My wage adjusted for inflation should pay 78.00 an hour.
You’d be lucky to get 55.00 right now.
I live in an agricultural area. Getting people to come and harvest the fruit and things that can’t be done with machines is difficult, because it’s hard work and doesn’t pay well. Used to be migrant workers would come up, do the work, get paid and bring it back to their families.
Some time ago, Fox did a story interviewing people who were outraged that Mexicans were sneaking of the border and stealing their jobs. This was in Alaska.
And it's interesting how often the same people complaining about 'immigrants stealing their jobs' also complain about immigrants 'being lazy', like which is it?
I, a Canadian, have a friend who once told me we should send all immigrants back where they came from because they deserved to be here less than him as his grandparents came in 1952. I said by your logic you go back to where you came from because my 9th great grandfather came here in the 1600s.
I live in semi rural Carmarthenshire where dark skin is a rarely seen and there was reform posters all over the place at the last election. Absolutely ridiculous.
The rich guy hoarding 9 cookies is telling the working man with one cookie, “Careful, that immigrant is trying to steal your cookie.” Plus, let’s face it, racism has a lot to do with it too.
Come to small town USA, work in the factories, get to know some illegal immigrants. They have fake identities, complete with social security numbers which enable them to get welfare benefits & tax refunds alike. I personally worked with Ana (Paoula), Juan (Raoul), Octavio (Benito), Brenda (Celia)..
The amount of welfare benefits that any undocumented immigrants receive is vanishingly small and not very common, but since most undocumented workers pay taxes, they are entitled to welfare benefits. Their SSNs are asecond-class identity that does not grant them the full benefits they pay for.
For real. I’m Mexican myself and I get told that my people aren’t important because I should be worried about America and not my brothers. America needs to realize that it was built by immigrants.
Biggest concern with undocumented immigration: when criminalized, it creates an underclass with fewer protections and reluctance to engage with institutions of governance. A realistic worker visa program without arbitrary caps would be preferable. But the problem isn't undocumented folk.
Can I tell you a secret? I care that there aren’t more illegal foreigners in this country. I think it’s an issue that we only imported 8 million over the last 4 years. Obviously we have the resources to accommodate billions!!! #NoBorders
9 times outta 10 I would rather live next door to an immigrant than a Republican (Magat). They are generally kind, loving, generous folks that work 10x harder than wyt privileged GOP
Take your pick, not necessarily in order: Muslims, other non-Christians, “foreigners”, then the other abled (mental and physical) then any combo of Black/brown/yellow people, then brown people, then yellow people. Women. Then overweight people, short people, ashy people, the “unattractive” etc etc.
Like that's more people in the industry what is the issue there? And like other people said it's hypocritical to say all of them are gonna commit crimes when we have a dude who was fully gonna let a guy with a criminal case record into his cabinet.
The point is that taxes are obviously messed up when people are undocumented. The government would get more money if we put more people into our system (aka document their residency)
I’m not trying to argue, my point was that they pay taxes, and while I understand that the specifics are crazy complex for no good reason, it’s an anti-immigrant talking point that needs to be refuted.
Not saying you’re anti-immigrant, just that it’s important for folks to know.
He does not care about workers, the middle class, or any member of any group that can't give him money and power. He doesn't CARE period because he's a narcissistic sociopathic psycho.
Narcissist he is yes most definitely, but he does care he talked a lot about the troubles we were facing and his plans to change things. Americans were frustrated with the continuous deciet and amreica last policies we just felt unrepresented.
For me its about his previous term. Meaning my 401k went up almost 40% and generally my family and I were living easier, with less debt and more money saved. The world just seemed less chaotic. The man is far from perfect, hell aren't we all. Policy wise he was the better choice. I'm new to the gop
Tom this is where lots of people are deep down mistaken You saved not because of 401K which btw grew higher after Many DIED All savings were Due to Covid-19. The World in General Saved 💰 Money!We were in Quarantine,no gas,tolls,no car or home insurance to pay,no rent,no mortgage,etc. Trump got 2BIL+
How much more chaotic is the world now than it was '17-'20? We all had time off and some got a prolonged time to work from home but that had do with how old dump handled covid which was bad. Why hasn't your 401k done good under Biden? There's the charts. Click on it. https://www.officialdata.org/us/stocks/
When Trump gave that tax break to his rich businessmen friends, did they use it to raise wages of workers? Of course not, they spent it on stock buybacks and executive bonuses. While, the whole time, blaming immigrants for everyone's problems.
Believe me, he and all his billionaire friends could really care less about people. It’s the biggest con on all the MAGA people they could all care less about. He also has sooo many deaths on his hands because of the way he handled Covid in the end. And now he wants RFK Jr.!
If I knew how to write, I'd add some mention that nothing really gives any of us any birthright to any artificial boundaries in order to keep "others" out. We are ALL human beings who had no say in where we were born on this single planet. Nobody should have the right to say, "you can't come here!".
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The number of thieves does not increase: undocumented folks commit crimes at a rate less than half that of natural citizens, and most of them earn money by working.
You have been sold lies.
However with the large influx of people coming seeking asylum there is a big cost associated with that. NY has a big problem with a lot of their resources going toward housing undocumented immigrants seeking asylum
Good to see the front pew so full this morning.
Education outcomes have only gone downhill since the creation of the Dept of Education.
How do I know? I have lived through it.
Teach people how to lose their strengths and become their purpose not work for a job to pay a mortgage then die like people do now !!
Really? You actually meant that?
I think if you live in a country that claims "all people are equal", you should get the same rights and obligations as everyone else. Thus get to vote, work, live, and must pay taxes. They should be citizens by default
If you work in the US and provide service or produce value, you should have the legal protections of legal residency. The end. Anything else is racism and Puritan legalistic violence.
More immigrants, more problems.
Entering the country illegally is a crime, overstaying a visa is a crime. In order to be undocumented by default they must have committed a crime.
https://www.wusf.org/economy-business/2024-08-23/undocumented-immigrants-contributed-1-billion-taxes-florida-economy
https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/how-does-immigration-affect-us-economy
Cheers Peeps 🍻
What's up with that?
Would these same people risk applying for welfare, SS, or voting? No, they pay into SS but rarely/never get their money back
Looks like it also attracted a bunch I'll have fun blocking. :) Thanks for both.
I can't help but remember East and West Berlin. And, people in Russia cannot always exit that country easily. Plus, since all the sanctions began, visas required to exit the country haven't been as readily available. I could see tRump & Co doing something like that.
Immigrants don't drain the economy.
That is an overt lie. Always has been.
I would think a large number of people are being paid in cash, with no evidence of payment
if illegals are paid through the banking system, they pay all the deductions but cannot claim any benefits ever
do your research who is actually committing these crimes
#GotIt
My father used to pick apples in the Fall until they brought in caravans of migrant workers. This was in 1960 in upstate NY.
Bottom line, I can't say for sure that no undocumented immigrant has ever received welfare, but I find it very unlikely.
Oh, and you don't need a Social Security number to work and pay taxes. An ITN works just as well. You just can't benefit from what you're paying in.
And while we have placed a secular form of legislative and judicial administration in place to preserve our economy (that ship sailed long ago along with the drug war),
It's SERIOUSLY LACKING in both humane operation and proper foresight.
Visit https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/10-truisms-of-capitalism-from-the-mouths-of-robber-barons/
Look at #4, the difference being that fear, racism and envy is used instead of money to divide. Greed is ALWAYS insatiable and evil.
That man is in prison. This image is about your side humiliating itself because you have no coherent ideology and no real plan.
As I said, and you have demonstrated: every conservative accusation is a confession.
It's also barely a problem, because undocumented folks offend at significantly lower rates than domestic-born citizens. Less than half, in fact.
NIJ, no friend of immigrants, has a whole stats-supported article on it:
Too many words! 😆
Supposedly negotiating better prices of meds but more often jacking up the prices as if they were the pharma bro Martin Shkrell
Ignore the complex issues.
Believe simple lies.
Standing against reckless hate,
I need Aragorn.
We all need an Aragorn.
Ignoring neighbour
I gift my best attention
To vague menaces
Although we do have a representative democracy, so other constituencies can vote according to their concerns.
This is the danger of populism - charismatic voices whipping up people's emotions over things of which they have no experience.
My friend told me his blue collar co-workers were bitching about "immigrants stealing our jobs," and he's certain most of them have never even met an immigrant.
Did the last election teach you nothing?
There has been a seismic shift in labor leaving our party. And it is comments like yours that are at the top of the list for reasons why.
The MAGA base is not at all interested in good jobs or a living wage, this seems crystal clear at this point
My wage adjusted for inflation should pay 78.00 an hour.
You’d be lucky to get 55.00 right now.
Like that's more people in the industry what is the issue there? And like other people said it's hypocritical to say all of them are gonna commit crimes when we have a dude who was fully gonna let a guy with a criminal case record into his cabinet.
1) Give ppl green cards who have been here forever, so they can finally pay fucking taxes to help out the gov.
2) Blaming immigrants makes no sense when they’ve ALWAYS a net positive on the economy
The Italians had the mafia. I don’t think anyone would argue Italians brought tons of organized crime to the USA.
HOWEVER…
Has anyone else ever noticed that Republicans have never complained about European immigrants?…
The point is that taxes are obviously messed up when people are undocumented. The government would get more money if we put more people into our system (aka document their residency)
Not saying you’re anti-immigrant, just that it’s important for folks to know.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/07/31/president-trump-russia-relationship-analysis-keilar-nr-vpx.cnn
but unfortunately all these Ignorant MAGAS that Voted for this POS
believe differently like only MASOCHISTS Do🙄