Not anymore. Not since Vote Blue No Matter Who became the party motto. Not since criticism was treated as treason to the party. Not since the party decided to exclude certain nationalities they didn't like from the nominating convention.
Boy there is no LEFT. The left has left the building, some of them went to the right, some of them are floating in the political void and the remaining are clinging to some vague ideology all while pointing the finger at everyone else for not falling in line no questions asked.
I stopped understanding what the left is when they started calling Bernie Sanders a sellout. Now all they do is screech about liberals on Elon’s website.
I spent the last year observing these exact types rip what was left of the LEFT apart. I have a problem with anyone who tells you that you can’t question or criticize your elected officials & they want to sit there & call you OTHER because you dared to question Dems about Gaza? THEY’RE the problem.
No one on the left is questioning calling Dems out on Gaza. Liberals are. Not leftists. The plural of anecdotes is misinformation. Finding a couple outliers saying “Bernie is a sell out” or whatever & acting as if they’re representatives for “the left” proves his point.
Don’t tell me no on the left is questioning Dems on Gaza, I will tag you in every post I see for the rest of my days on this app and then YOU can play semantics over left vs liberals all by yourself 🙄
Like it's not even difficult to understand. I don't get what else could be holding you back or confusing you unless your only politics are "blue good red bad" and you struggle to read anything longer than a supermarket magazine article
Yup. There is no republican atrocity so horrific that the online left (who were too morally pure to vote) will not immediately blame the democrats for failing to prevent it.
If you were a leftist blaming DNC elites for a bad candidate on a bad platform & warning them that genocide is a losing policy...and they still lost...I think you'd know the people doing the ethnic cleansing are to blame
Where is my free cocaine, alcohol, and fireworks? I was promised these before my birth and I never got them also where are my parchments of land that I was promised?
There is no red or blue when it comes to the govt. they are the same imperialist party. Just one of them does slightly less horrible things to its own people
So we are arguing that all people (in U.S?)are imperialists,
Liberals are imperialist fascists and you are/might be an imperialist anarchist?
That’s exhausting,
My fellow human.
Also Lisa, I implore you to look up a graph of the political spectrum and look at where democrats stand. They aren’t on the left like they would like to make you believe. Their imperialism, failing the people, and war mongering pushes them to the right
I will do that. I realize that they are close,
And I wish that we had a cohesive 3rd party that could win a race. IMO Far right should break off, Right center Dems team with non extreme GOP as a party, and everything left of that has to come together & compromise w/ a winnable platform. Quite a task
I agree-silencing pro Palestinians at her rallies was bad. Did she worry that voters would confuse
pro Palestinian as also pro Hamas, nor not get that “Israel has a right to defend itself” does not mean feel “free to commit genocide? Isreal has Palestinians living in Apartheid -esp in West Bank
How many times did you hear her say “I believe Israel has a right to defend itself”? That phrase is now synonymous with genocide because we know that Israel has started everything and does not honor agreements
Did you vote for Harris and Biden? What about Obama? Is anything better (minus affordable care act) because of them? No. Biden is a Dixiecrat. Wrote more legislation to give police powers they shouldn’t have. He also spent more money funding Israel, a literal genocide took place under is command.
I have read your words. But back to your original argument that all liberals are fascists. Are you using it as an insult as it used these days or a literal definition of a fascist?
Lmao you’re so dumb you can’t even look at my bio before trying to talk shit. I’m a leftist you dumbass. Did you know liberals are right wing? Probably bot. You’re no different than MAGA, just with a blue hat
We are in fascism now. Now is not the time to be arguing about where we are going to park this nation. Now is the time to get our act together and pull in the same general direction away from the damn cliff. We can worry about where we park it once we are miles away from the danger.
Why not attack the left? They can’t event stop eating at Chick Fil A. They’ll complain but not inconvenience themselves for anything. Maybe a rare march that no one cares about.
If I was leftist attacking liberals right now, I might consider whether I'm a fucking moron who handed the presidency to mango mussolini because the dems didn't bend the knee enough, or just generally so unlikable that I can't get along with someone on the same wing of the political spectrum (repugs
The Twitter whistleblower revealed how they amplified two types of posts: Pro-right wing, and anti-Democratic Party. The "both sides" left is getting played in the worst way.
If I was a leftist attacking the liberals right now, I might consider whether or not I was enabling real fascism, if I had alread done the devil's work.
My bad, how should I engage when speaking of the three democrats we fought tirelessly to elect who are now voting with Republicans? At what precise juncture are we allowed to hold our leaders accountable?
This is a shockingly dishonest take. Most instances are the left attacking liberals, to justify their decision to not vote to prevent Trump. And liberal criticism of the left has been on their failure to prevent Trump, not "diet fascism".
If every single leftist and communist voted for Kamala Harris, she still would have lost, for the same reasons leftists and communists have been pointing out. Because those reasons have lost the Democrats way more voters than just the left.
Yeah, this just shows the childishness of so much left wing politics. Ask people if they want more of a good thing and they'll say yes.
Actually try to deliver it legislatively, fund it and put it through the far from perfect reality of politics and suddenly popular things become hated. (1/2)
This shows how much leftism will never have and actually doesn't want to have actual power. Because then they can't just say "we should have more of the nice things", they'd have to do the actual work of delivering improvements. You know. Increments. (2/2)
Not voting for one of the corporate parties doesn't mean not voting. Trump is a symptom of the system you work to keep intact. Place the blame where it belongs...on the corrupt system and those that bend at the knee for it.
Exactly, this is why I vote, donate, and volunteer so then I can also attack liberals who whine leftists sunk the election which isn’t even remotely true.
A guy who calls himself "make Elon Poor Again" is posting justifications for why he is attacking the single faction capable of defeating the party Musk has embraced.
And he's doing it in a thread that started with a whinge about how it is apparently liberals attacking leftists.
As a voter looking to improve my community, my city, my country, I look for the values put forward by the candidates and vote accordingly. If there are aspects that are missing then of course I can and should speak up. The candidates should reflect my values and not the other way around.
Both MAGA AND LIBERALS hate me equally, but I'm not a classical liberal, but that's what everyone "left of fascist" (you know, colloquially liberal) is doing right now... 🤦♂️
But I'm so glad you've all decided you, I, or we are.
Leftists definitely had that attitude, and definitely hurt the cause, but ultimately is there a breakdown showing that they actually mattered significantly this time?
Or was the loss more about grocery price nonsense and/or Musk “understanding the machines that count votes”?
Taking into account the people they convinced to not vote because of Gaza or "both sides bad"?
Yeah. This is absolutely entirely on Leftists. All of it. We knew that the GOP were going to ratfuck the election, the point was to vote in overwhelming numbers to stop Trump. But leftists said "lol nope"
It's true. During the Weimar Republic in Germany, Social Democratic Party members (≈ US Democrats) would get beaten up in street fights by *both* Nazis and communists. You'd think the left would band together, but no: for the extreme left, moderates are even more dangerous than the extreme right.
The strongly pro-Palestinian faction that felt her support for Gaza was not strong enough.
Well, now the other side wants to completely wipe Gaza off the map. Which is better?
The left never understood the concept of voting for the lesser evil. Remember Nader. And of course Clinton.
they wont get that far, because they see themselves as sensible. that the right is crazy, the far left goes too far and is unrealistic, and we need to blaze a sane middle ground to calm things down (and in my experience, many times "calm down" is meant as a nice polite synonym for "shut up already")
No it really doesn't. We talk about betrayal and lack of action, they talk about us as if we're the ones who put trump in power. It's been shown that liberals actually put him in power.
See. You make my point. The twin notions of American political thought are radical and liberal democratic theory. But since many don't understand those terms, call it cooperation vs competition. When the latter won in the early 80s, both lost. So it hasn't been shown liberals did anything.
You wouldn't - if you had the misfortune to be in that ilk your insight and conscience would be cauterized. It's pretty much definitional at this point.
It's hard to ignore the fact that whenever there's a crisis, the first move of a lot of avowed liberals is to find a tankie to blame. Happened at during the opening days of the Ukraine war, happened throughout this iteration of the Gaza war, it's happening now.
Excuse me??? How did it happen during the “opening days of the Ukraine war?” If I remember correctly it was tankies screaming at everyone else that they were warmongers for trying to say that Ukraine needs help defending itself
He said nothing about the tankie behavior you're describing, nor anything that contradicts it. He wrote, "... the first move of [many professed] liberals is to find a tankie to blame."
Was it "tankies" that invaded Ukraine and materially supported Russian expansionism, or are you just replacing "being mad at the people who do things" with "being mad at some random strangers on the internet that aren't even a coherent group, let alone powerful".
It’s ok for Ukrainians to be upset that tankies everywhere were calling Ukrainians Nazis as excuses not to support them, and spreading russian propaganda narratives online at a time when information was vital and people were processing immensely traumatic experiences. We saw which side you were on.
I never once took a side against Ukraine. I sure as hell think the nazis were and are a real problem, I think we should try to not give them specifically arms or resources, but otherwise neither I nor any other real leftist have any love for Russia and definitely don't support their war.
this is a post online. please for the love of god go outside and touch grass, if you’re trying to discern an “out of breath tone” from someone typing on a keyboard onlinel
it's just incomprehensible to me, to be so physically excited by a manifestly disastrous war policy that you react with indignant horror like can you believe some people weren't excited about this when it started? catch your breath and find some humility.
Yeah and they were right to do so. The war has gone on for years and been massively destructive because the US is propping up the Ukrainians to bog down Russia at any cost in Ukranian blood and lives. Also when/if it ends, there'll be thousands of nazis with US-made machineguns and missile launchers
Wishful thinking - if you were a liberal you would be constitutionally incapable of considering anything other than how to blame whatever was upsetting you on Russia and/or leftists lol
They're the doormen of fascism. They make sure no one left of Reagan ever has power enough to do anything in government. They make sure leftist parties aren't on ballots and they make sure they don't win their primaries.
Most self-identified "liberals" are what I consider center-right. They seem to think they are so enlightened on culture war issues, but they are happy to screw over working people on economic policy to the benefit of the oligarchy.
Leftists may sometimes refuse to vote for center-right Democrats, but that does not mean any of us voted for
Trump. Liberals think they will gain 2 suburban Rep votes for every blue-collar vote they lose by moving right and they will largely keep losing elections until they stop moving right.
The Devils work? If you believe in a fictitious enemy called the Devil. You are the issue. When you do bad IT'S YOU, when you do good IT'S YOU. Don't blame some fairytale creature for your short comings. If you kill some one YOU KILLED THEM not the Devil. That voice you hear is YOURS not a demon!
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But you did the right thing, so we seem to be on the same side.
If you were a leftist blaming DNC elites for a bad candidate on a bad platform & warning them that genocide is a losing policy...and they still lost...I think you'd know the people doing the ethnic cleansing are to blame
Shame you're...you instead
You all pine for "progressive policies" then help Republicans win by being single-issue voters or fucking idiots, sometimes both.
Free palestine is now palestine parking lot
Liberals are imperialist fascists and you are/might be an imperialist anarchist?
That’s exhausting,
My fellow human.
And I wish that we had a cohesive 3rd party that could win a race. IMO Far right should break off, Right center Dems team with non extreme GOP as a party, and everything left of that has to come together & compromise w/ a winnable platform. Quite a task
pro Palestinian as also pro Hamas, nor not get that “Israel has a right to defend itself” does not mean feel “free to commit genocide? Isreal has Palestinians living in Apartheid -esp in West Bank
Sounds kind of fascistic to me, actually.
Liberals ARE fascist collaborators.
Idgaf about nuance when the liberals are just signing off on everything the outright fascists want.
Nothing is helped by you lying like this.
Actually try to deliver it legislatively, fund it and put it through the far from perfect reality of politics and suddenly popular things become hated. (1/2)
You swapping my statement out for one you can actually deny wasn't an accident. It was a dishonest act to shift to ground you can defend.
It is terrible.
And he's doing it in a thread that started with a whinge about how it is apparently liberals attacking leftists.
Absurd dishonesty.
I pointed out it's actually leftists attacking liberals.
You reply; "I can also attack liberals"
Great stuff.
But I'm so glad you've all decided you, I, or we are.
Learn to persuade, leftists.
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Or they're only following the news that self-censor and bent the knee to Trump.
Liberals weren't the ones that made damn sure that Trump won election. That was Leftists.
And why did they make sure Trump won? Because Liberals wouldn't cow to every single one of their insane demands.
Or was the loss more about grocery price nonsense and/or Musk “understanding the machines that count votes”?
Yeah. This is absolutely entirely on Leftists. All of it. We knew that the GOP were going to ratfuck the election, the point was to vote in overwhelming numbers to stop Trump. But leftists said "lol nope"
I mean, even if they didn’t sabotage things, they tried, so credit is basically the same, but I’d like more info.
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"... because our cult like behavior is special and different."
Well, now the other side wants to completely wipe Gaza off the map. Which is better?
The left never understood the concept of voting for the lesser evil. Remember Nader. And of course Clinton.
Wake the fuck up.
There are no "two sides"
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Because they protect money first, then they can go onto the fun stuff
Trump. Liberals think they will gain 2 suburban Rep votes for every blue-collar vote they lose by moving right and they will largely keep losing elections until they stop moving right.