The forced surrender terms are now clearer: Trump wants: - The minerals deal - Ukraine accepts loss of territory - Elections in Ukraine - Zelensky steps down This is rewarding Putin while making money out of the misery of the country Putin attacks. www.nbcnews.com/politics/nat... - ThreadSky

ehunterchristie.bsky.social • 13 hours ago

The forced surrender terms are now clearer:

Trump wants:
- The minerals deal
- Ukraine accepts loss of territory
- Elections in Ukraine
- Zelensky steps down

This is rewarding Putin while making money out of the misery of the country Putin attacks.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-wants-see-just-minerals-deal-restart-aid-intel-ukraine-rcna195508

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julianb77.bsky.social•11 hours ago

Almost feels like these oval office spats were deliberately designed to soften up any resistance opposition to regime change that Putin really covets and Trump is willing to extort for a price. USA has a mafia government in power, a GOP brought to heel and a people distracted by fake signals

julibluesky.bsky.social•12 hours ago

additionally
https://bsky.app/profile/pravda.ua/post/3ljx4nu4l6k2d

oleksii-it.bsky.social•11 hours ago

He can fuck off with such deal

caledonia100.bsky.social•12 hours ago

To rephrase it: Effing 🍊💩 doesn’t want a deal. Instead, he wants to give the Russian terrorist the official American headsup.

chrissielinnit.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Communities collapse to thugs because they have lost hope and strength. Ukraine is not there - yet. The Ukrainian spirit is extraordinary strong. Russia, via proxies in the US will be working hard now to split and weaken European strength and all other allied support. Unity is our Achilles heel.

winstonsmith2024.bsky.social•11 hours ago

Also no membership in NATO, and no security guarantees. What exactly does Trump think is left to negotiate? Oh, that's right--what does the U.S. get out of it?

miskaknapek.bsky.social•6 hours ago

Imagine how stupid the Ukrainians will feel when Putin invades them anyway, later, when he's rearmed, after.makign all these concessions.

cwinters.bsky.social•11 hours ago

And we don't even know he didn't deal with RU to get minerals access on occupied territories from them, too.

The man's greed and cruelty is unfathomable.

curiousd.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Complete betrayal if true

philoof.bsky.social•11 hours ago

frankjeweetwelwie.bsky.social•13 hours ago

US is a roque state according to wikipedia.
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rogue_state.svg

babaimi.bsky.social•4 hours ago

!🎯

ehacke.bsky.social•12 hours ago

If there is no security guarantee from the US, (there won't be) there is no reason to do any of this, because it's the same as surrender.

woit.bsky.social•12 hours ago

We all know what Munich has given, it is unacceptable, totally unacceptable!

demofighter.bsky.social•12 hours ago

That's right!
I would add that Ukraine should not only agree to the loss of land, but also of its compatriots living there. In other words, Ukraine should abandon its fellow citizens - and we all know what suffering Russification brings.

eridite.bsky.social•2 hours ago

If trump succeeds with stopping the Russian-Ukraine war …. THEN SANCTIONS SHOULD REMAIN INDEFINITELY … until Russia leaves Ukrainian territory … otherwise Russia will do it again

squirrelwhisperer.bsky.social•13 hours ago

Putins demands.
Come on allies.

stigmergy.bsky.social•12 hours ago

This is exactly the temporary ceasefire Putin wants while he rearms. No US security guarantee, nothing given up by Putin, no mention of any European peacekeeping force.

Then it’s an arms race for Russia and Europe.

stigmergy.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Meanwhile, Trump boosts the Russian economy by lifting all sanctions, moves US troops out of Europe except for Hungary, which then exits EU to allow Putin to attack Ukraine from south west flank.

stigmergy.bsky.social•12 hours ago

…having left the 13,000 Russian troops in Belarus from this September’s ‘military exercise’.

stigmergy.bsky.social•12 hours ago

I would not be surprised if Putin is planning to break any ceasefire as early as the Autumn, but this time attacking either Ukraine or a Baltic state via Belarus.

Somehow, Europe needs to provide air cover for all of Ukraine’s borders regardless of what Putin/Trump say.

stigmergy.bsky.social•12 hours ago

attacking Ukraine via Belarus *and Hungary simultaneously, before Europe can rearm sufficiently*

phvang.bsky.social•13 hours ago

Donald Trump is the best proof that God does not exist.

nimrodmr2.bsky.social•11 hours ago

Who dictated this deal, Putin?

lisafight.bsky.social•12 hours ago

"Elections in Ukraine
Zelensky steps down"
What's the point of this ridiculous pressure? No sane Ukrainian politician would go against the 🇺🇦 constitution! It would also be political suicide to promote a deal with Putin, to appease Putin! The rumors about 🇺🇲 talking to the 🇺🇦 opposition infuriated 🇺🇦!

lisafight.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Nothing will change by removing Zelensky au contraire! The Ukrainian people back him and his stance more than ever! Clearly Trump doesn't believe in democracy when demanding the removal of a man that would win again by a landslide! 🇺🇦 will never accept a 🇺🇲🇷🇺 puppet! Trump is out of his depth here!

cutter8351.bsky.social•12 hours ago

#NeoImperialism. Then on to Greenland, Panama and Canada

rottfella.bsky.social•5 hours ago

No deal is better than a really, really bad deal. There is nothing in it for Ukraine. Trump is already vocalizing that Ukraine may not survive.

I certainly hope Volodymyr is going to tell Trump to fuck off.

No Deal !

angsty-hill.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Why would Ukraine sign this? The front hasn't collapsed

serenedip.bsky.social•11 hours ago

What about Russia?

- Elections in Russia?
- Putin steps down?

bjornfagerstedt.bsky.social•9 hours ago

...and why should Ukraine agree to this crap?

d-cym.bsky.social•12 hours ago

It's a Trump deal, so Trump loses in the end. Ukraine capitulates to Putin, Putin takes over Ukraine, Putin voids the mineral deal. Wallah, the casino is bankrupt.

maxganzii.bsky.social•13 hours ago

EU now *needs* strong UA to handle RU, so all of this is problematic for EU survival.

maxganzii.bsky.social•13 hours ago

Also I expect US sanctions to be lifted, USA exits NATO, and US troops leave EU (and maybe even head into HU, and HU exits EU and becomes RU client state).

beccaet.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Hungary won't exit EU as population oppose. Elections aren't fair in HU but they remain free. Orban not as deluded as Brexiters; he knows Hungary would be less important* & worse off outside EU.

*HU isn't very important, but having seat at EU table is valuable for HU's (mostly anti EU) friends.

maxganzii.bsky.social•11 hours ago

It seems to me EU will suspend/eject HU if Orban continues to obstruct, and elections are rigged (non-fair) to the extent needed to ensure incumbent wins, which make being free meaningless.

beccaet.bsky.social•10 hours ago

Sadly there is no mechanism to eject an EU member state.

maxganzii.bsky.social•10 hours ago

It seems to me if push comes to shove, and survival is at stake, reality will supersede treaty and paperwork, and HU will get the push.

beccaet.bsky.social•10 hours ago

Elections should be free & fair. Hungarian elections are free; you can vote for opposition parties. People do that in Budapest; it is opposition controlled. But probably 90% of what you see/hear is Fidesz especially w/o foreign language skills, which Budapest people are more likely to have.

maxganzii.bsky.social•13 hours ago

It seems to me this is a set-up for UA defeat on second RU invasion, which will occur as soon as RU can manage it.

constantin87.bsky.social•13 hours ago

If we give up as Trump wants, there is no point in either sending weapons or sharing intelligence with Ukraine.

excog.bsky.social•13 hours ago

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If Putin had captured Kviv in 3 days as he had wished, Zelenskyy and the leadership would have been killed and martial law declared. Russian broadcasts on Ukrainian news channels. Can we imagine Ukrainian forces laying down their arms?

poetsue.bsky.social•13 hours ago

It is actually Trump doing what Putin has told him to do in order to get Putin to the peace table. Trump is so intent on peace and appeasing Putin he doesn't care less about Ukraine or how many Ukrainians died. He only ever talks about the number of Russians who died - have you noticed?

jamming.bsky.social•6 hours ago

I don get this mineral deal. Just forget US.

miskaknapek.bsky.social•6 hours ago

Musk needs cheap minerals for his cars, otherwise he has (extra) trouble making a profit...poor guy

huismanen.bsky.social•11 hours ago

Trump isn't controlling Putin, Zelenskyy or European leaders.

warspitefella.bsky.social•12 hours ago

This should be an outright No

It's Czechslovakia 1938 and a total betrayal of Ukraine and Europe

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