"That wasn't the sound of fear. That was the sound of civility" -- Joe Scarborough makes an impassioned defense of the decision he and Mika made to defend Fox News from David Frum as well as their meeting with Trump at Mar-a-Lago
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Joe and Mika...go away. Seriously you want to schmooze with Trump and Maga go for it. But we don't want you in our living rooms any longer either. So kindly piss off. @morningjoe-msnbc.bsky.social
They were good friends of Trump once. I’m guessing they miss that. Honestly I never trusted Joe from way back. Still a Republican pretending not to be.
They show their viewers they're cowardly ass kissers and then get all indignant because viewers think they're cowardly ass kissers. You can't make this shit up.
Apparently many weren’t listening & hearing Mika! One reason out of many I stopped watching/listening was the way she allowed Joe to belittle her, speak over her, interrupt & interject over her & she would sit there smiling like an imbecile! This woman who had a book on women standing up, please!😒
Mika has to stick around only to promote her elite women's club 50 over 50 until their annual soiree in of all places Abu Dhabi for the 3rd year in a row..make me gag🤮
This! That has always rubbed me the wrong way and I’m a woman over 50. It screams elitism and it’s stuff like that that only gives the MAGA fake populism crap more fuel.
Does she do a talk on how to get ahead by having an affair with your married boss while married yourself against company policy? Then poof ending up a co host? Cause not seeing she brings much of value otherwise
I'm not defending FOX. Can't abide that network! I am defending Joe and Mika for not allowing a comment like Frum made to pass on their show. "If he is too drunk for FOX, he is very drunk indeed". Junior High stuff. Civility must be practiced to be expected in return.
I get that. But your statement that they bent and kissed the Fuhrer's ring is a presumption. You don't know what went on. If you know Joe as a news host (and maybe you don't), you can easily imagine they probably did NOT kiss anyone's ring, but were trying to glean info for the show.
Who knew Wikipedia would deal with this subject? I agree, that we should not tolerate intolerant people in our society. But first, who are you referring to here as "not reasonable"?
Many conservatives would say the same about MSNBC, and yet we must remain civil when we can do so. Besides there are a few good people over there, misguided though they may be.
They don't really care about the cause. They normalized Trump and now we all will have to suffer. These two only care about their paychecks and will sell every bit of humanity for it.
1. Joe and Mika take stand and say over summer, if they are ever preempted again they will quit, because principles or whatever
2. Continue to call out Trump
3. Trump wins
4. They go grovel
5. Defensive and continue to grovel
What will they say when they are still denied access & insulted?
I honestly don't know how they can stand to look at themselves in the mirror. Lectures on civility from people who platform the most uncivil leader in our history. Hard pass, fuck them both.
Unless it’s fear or appeasement in advance then what they’re doing simply makes no sense. They’re not going to win over any Fox News viewers and all they’re doing is alienating those who used to rely on them to be an alternative. Dumb.
BS they bent the knee and kissed ass so they could keep their jobs. They bowed to a man that called for Joe to be tried for treason. They can fuck off. I won’t ever watch MSNBC again
And Joe with that asinine thumbs up BS! Freaks! Disgusting! Fraternizing with a corrupt dictator wannabe! Sickened me when I saw someone post that crap!
No it's not.
It may not be your thing, but that's the great thing about America, freedom to "turn the channel".
Over the next 4 years, we need every voice shining a light on what's to come..
Too many don't have time to read, much less even pay basic attention to what's going on outside n the world. If you were a single parent you would not have much time to read. Also many people don't pay any attention to politics at all, yet they vote. Civic duty be damned.
PBS channel is available everywhere. I have PBS Passport which is like Netflix but just for PBS. You can watch virtually anything they've ever done, there is a lot of really good stuff and you can get it for like $6 a month. Not a better deal around! Frontline, Nature. Nova = a few of my faves.
Likely more worried about being replaced as hosts and ending up over at faux on weekend mornings . . . . til faus loses viewers in that time slot, too. Then they just fade away into obscurity.
One can dream, right?
Too much pride and vanity. No, these types will walk into a new reality that without those ratings, they do not have the same network worth.
To be honest I think MSNBC expected a rating bounce back already, so the execs, who probably did tell Joe & Mika to kiss the ring, are themselves at risk.
I heard Mika on another podcast. She said they're trying to re-set for the sake of good journalism, and she's shocked by the reaction. She wants to interview Trump.
I don't know if I buy the excuse. Kissing Trump's ass isn't worth it.
The problem I have is, why are they suddenly worried about civility?
Joe's never worried about it before. Going off on tangent was part of Joe's schick. Thats what I disliked the most about their show. Now, he's Miss Manners?
Frum's comment wasn't that bad.
I hope they lose their slot. And I really hope some of the media outlets can retain their independence and stop yielding to the insanity that’s coming.
These two carried Trump’s water during election season of 2016. The fact that they ran back to him with their tails between their legs surprises no one.
New Joe Scab same as the old Joe Scab:
►95% lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union.
►Supported Newt and Contract [on] America
►US out of UN
►Eliminate Depts of Commerce, Education, Energy and HUD
►Anti-abortion
Reminds me of...
Then how about the Network communicates that they support their anchors & that they will not be bullied into submission which only feeds the ego of a man who gets off on having people fear him. Can’t criticize congress for not having a backbone if they themself cave! @morningjoe-msnbc.bsky.social
I don’t think they’re afraid of being against the wall. I think they’re afraid of financial and public ruin. Especially with the whole murder conspiracy against Joe.
1 They didn't bend the knee
2 they didn't do anything diff than CNN, NYT, NYP, CBS etc.
3 the only diff is, they were upfront and told you they did it and why.
This is what journalists do. Talk to people, even abhorrent people, to get the story.
It is worth noting that resistance amplified enters the realm of revolt. I agree with Sen. Sanders that if we don't have a quiet revolution, a violent one is inevitable. At what point in time does the voice of decent forthright patriots become meaningless?
Yes, keep shaming the remaining audience you have left; the rest ain't coming back. He's just as bad as all the rest. Trump called him a murderer (when an aide died while he was a congressman) and I guess he's ok with being insulted now.
Oh,Fuck all the way off ,Joe! Mika too! STOP your bullshit and gaslighting. Stop bullying your guests. Clearly you are promoting your corporate narrative. Frum was 100%right. We all see you. Continue to bend the knee,if you must. Cowards.
You can almost smell the stink of fear! And then the backpedal through it again. Civility smells like a damask rose. This ain’t that @morningjoe-msnbc.bsky.social
The Trump stink roll-on you’ve liberally applied will never wash off. #ETTD
I stopped watching during the 2020 election when they often had trump calling in and they constantly sucked up to him and praised him like bootlickers do. 1/2
Then ppl actually believed that they both suddenly turned on him when he was out of office? Look how quickly they've now turned back to looking his boots again.
These are definitely not truthtellers or serious people. Just more overpaid entertainers looking to protect their own assets & brand. 2/2
Legacy Media has just become an embarrassment of pathetic ass-kissers already bending over & bowing down to Trump & his Fascists
The have failed to learn from history & are doomed
When Freedom of the Press is gone?
They'll have no one to blame but themselves!
Been watching MJ since the "nappy-headed hos" comment got Imus kicked off MSNBC. I've never seen so much BS coming out of Joe's mouth. The only "background" information he and Mika got was Trump ass when they kissed it.
I still watch them in the mornings. They are correct, they are not the only journalists or hosts meeting with Trump, it's their job and they were the only ones transparent about it. You can't just not meet with the president elect and still call yourself a journalist.
Come on … BS, we don’t need a “journalist” standing with a corrupt dictator wannabe who is determined to tear apart democracy, with an idiotic thumbs up picture.
They had no interest in being civil before he elected. I'm no longer interested in their disingenuous posturing. It appears that they are cowed, and therefore Mika and Joe are no longer an unimpeachable source of news and information.
They ought to apologize to Frum for handling his comment as they did, and, when he returns to the show, have a full-throated convo on their new view of civility and what they feel that requires.
They assuaged their fears by kissing the ring and swearing fealty to the oligarchy. Instead of standing firm against authoritarianism, they’re positioning themselves to be spokesmodels for it.
Give it up Joe!! You underestimated the intellect of your viewers, they know capitulation, appeasement when they see it. They're not buying the BS you're selling.
You and Mika have no creditability, we are done with you, and we're not coming back. We have MTN
Now, were facts, truth, are upheld!!!
As well as humiliated and defensive & cowardly. Good luck on the msnbc spin off. No one is coming back. We dont like or respect the ones trump can make up lies about(like Ted Cruz), insult mercilessly who then bend the knee. Morning Junk is all outraged justification of their sniveling subservience
They NEEDED to get in so they could get information for US don’t you see 🤨😏!! Don’t be mad because they didn’t get to mention us in that meeting…and we see them pictured at the inaugural ball 🤨! Don’t be mad 😡 or 😳 !
The entire adventure to kiss the ring was an act of contrition. That’s an apology. We’re sorry we said mean things about you, please don’t come after us or our network. We don’t need dialogue with a guy who we’ve known for a decade isn’t all there.
Just don't give them a platform anymore . They know what they did and explaining by Joe will not help . I stopped watching it the day they surrendered in Mar-A-Lago.
The man who interrupts every guest was talking about civility. If he thought Frum was out of bounds, he could have interrupted him, like he does every guest, and told him that. Instead, he had Mika read a hostage like statement.
Joe, no one gives a shit about your excuses. You bowed down to a wannabe autocrat to protect yourself and your money. And how dare you scold the rest of us for having a conscience and deciding to not watch you anymore. You deserve to be cancelled.
Ugh. The two of them just dig their hole deeper & deeper. The amount of BS they present as some kind of deep rationale is nothing but pathetic RATIONALIZATION! We aren’t stupid!
Well, when you feel the need to defend “bending the knee” it sure hits like fear. Fear that His Imperial Majesty will ban you from the press room. An honorable person would have worn that ban like a badge of honor. So it’s either fear, or fecklessness.
Hey @morningjoe-msnbc.bsky.social you should PUBLICLY APOLOGIZE TO @davidfrum.bsky.social for all of you being COWARD! Your visit to Mara-Lago was DEFINITELY borne in fear! You’re willingness to pacify to an autocratic bully is DISGUSTING! Just move to Foxnews where your behavior will be welcomed
Stop making excuses @morningjoe-msnbc.bsky.social! @davidfrum.bsky.social TOLD THE TRUTH! Your actions these past months has proven repeatedly that you won’t stand for the truth because you are COWARDS! You’ll do anything to pacify that autocrat & far right media, just so you won’t be targeted.
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shaking my head, because that is 8K too many.
for me, i'm going to give it the good ole block, because that is the only thing they deserve.... ever!!!!!
and 🚫 the Morning Joe Show today without regrets.
Because I saw what I saw and want no parts of it.
Shut the fk up, Joe
2. Continue to call out Trump
3. Trump wins
4. They go grovel
5. Defensive and continue to grovel
What will they say when they are still denied access & insulted?
If nine people want to sit at a table with a Nazi, there will be ten Nazis at the table.
It may not be your thing, but that's the great thing about America, freedom to "turn the channel".
Over the next 4 years, we need every voice shining a light on what's to come..
They're F'ked, and are probably worried about the show being cancelled.
I'll never understand the Press/ Media being this stupidly arrogant.
One can dream, right?
To be honest I think MSNBC expected a rating bounce back already, so the execs, who probably did tell Joe & Mika to kiss the ring, are themselves at risk.
I don't know if I buy the excuse. Kissing Trump's ass isn't worth it.
Joe's never worried about it before. Going off on tangent was part of Joe's schick. Thats what I disliked the most about their show. Now, he's Miss Manners?
Frum's comment wasn't that bad.
FAFO. My motto.
►95% lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union.
►Supported Newt and Contract [on] America
►US out of UN
►Eliminate Depts of Commerce, Education, Energy and HUD
►Anti-abortion
Reminds me of...
Back when conservatives said Russia was the bad guy
I’m confused. I thought these people were authoritarian
2 they didn't do anything diff than CNN, NYT, NYP, CBS etc.
3 the only diff is, they were upfront and told you they did it and why.
This is what journalists do. Talk to people, even abhorrent people, to get the story.
But sure civility.
https://youtu.be/ECvWNubjmV0?si=6TskIb5b_FZkQi-q
It was Ted Cruz.
The Trump stink roll-on you’ve liberally applied will never wash off. #ETTD
These are definitely not truthtellers or serious people. Just more overpaid entertainers looking to protect their own assets & brand. 2/2
The have failed to learn from history & are doomed
When Freedom of the Press is gone?
They'll have no one to blame but themselves!
@dril from the bad place
You and Mika have no creditability, we are done with you, and we're not coming back. We have MTN
Now, were facts, truth, are upheld!!!
Guesses... anyone!!!!
Trump/Fox/Et Al are not civil.
W O Ｗ
their hypocrisy + cowardice. . . it’s truly staggering 🤯
Not to mention being an aide to Daniel Moynihan.
#BOYCOTTMSNBC
Barf
What David Frum said was spot-on. It certainly wasn't worthy of ending his interview immediately after he made the comment.
Will she submit, or will she exit?
Mika, do you have a spine?
Why should ANYONE want to go on a show where the hosts do that?
Get them outta there.
Get some new blood.
Find people with ambition that would use the position properly.