In 2016, Trump won MI, PA, and WI—and as a result, the Electoral College—by less than 78,000 votes. In 2020, Biden won AZ, GA, and WI—and thus the EC—by less than 45,000 votes. - ThreadSky

gtconway.bsky.social • 95 days ago

In 2016, Trump won MI, PA, and WI—and as a result, the Electoral College—by less than 78,000 votes.

In 2020, Biden won AZ, GA, and WI—and thus the EC—by less than 45,000 votes.

Reposted from Ian Bassin

Out of roughly 153 million votes cast in this election, the presidency was decided by 230k across the three states of Wisconsin (30k), Michigan (80k) and Pennsylvania (120k). That's 00.15%.

This remains an extremely closely divided nation. Any agenda viewed as extreme is likely to face backlash.

Comments

progressive-salmon.bsky.social•95 days ago

Wild. Trump did much better this time around in the swing states.

kt2690.bsky.social•95 days ago

That’s where the election interference resources were concentrated for the last 4 years.

progressive-salmon.bsky.social•95 days ago

What I find to be expected is that Russia was able to interfere in our elections when the GOP were in control but not when Dems were in control, which is why Biden won.

maile2.bsky.social•95 days ago

I believe FBI confirmed it was the Russians had something to do with the bomb threat in battleground states at democrats precincts. Creating fear for democrats voters.

progressive-salmon.bsky.social•95 days ago

That explains some of it, but does not explain the insane boost he had in Arizona or how he freaking won Nevada for the first time.

I want to know why there was a boost in Latin support, which I cannot explain with simple Russian interference.

Also how the fuck did he win Texas by 13?

socinvestigator.bsky.social•93 days ago

Fishy. Pattern is highly unlikely without being created by artificial means like hacking.

crow70.bsky.social•95 days ago

Eating the cats put him over, imo.

msnashville.bsky.social•95 days ago

The Electoral College needs to be abolished!

andre-s89.bsky.social•95 days ago

Time to ditch the electoral college. This ain't Holy Roman Empire times.

phasor129.bsky.social•95 days ago

Eliminate the electoral college. Popular vote for President.

bluedottxn.bsky.social•94 days ago

Exactly. There was no sweeping mandate, no sweeping support for far right extremism. Y’all who have national platforms & TV opportunities need to say it louder. Over and over.

foxtrotdeltatango.bsky.social•95 days ago

Trump will still declare a mandate, as will Mike Johnson (not sure about John Thune...we'll see). Resistance must begin now, and must stay together. The next crucial milestone will be the 2026 midterms, which may determine whether this democracy can be saved. We need a pointman, George.

yurdapuppet.bsky.social•94 days ago

Unfortunately, the "system of checks and balances" is under the control of one party, and even the sane people in that party are collaborators with the madness that is Donald Trump and his circus freaks.

Also, the Electoral College is an anachronism and needs to go.

maro67.bsky.social•95 days ago

https://www.planetcritical.com/p/cyber-security-experts-warn-election-hacked?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=1yc6j&triedRedirect=true

pjocky82.bsky.social•95 days ago

The idea now in the modern age with 330 million people living in this nation that the minority have control over the majority is ludicrous! It was fine for the 1800s but not now

prettypetite4.bsky.social•95 days ago

NO President in the past 40 years has EVER won EVERY Swing State.

beege4.bsky.social•95 days ago

Just wondering, given what has transpired, how many would like a do-over.

okguy.bsky.social•94 days ago

Many.

lauralarrecou.bsky.social•95 days ago

The R party has a "leader". Might be an orange felon rapist, but there is someone to lead the liar charge. The D party has lots of talking heads and late starts. Disjointed and inefficient. Is there any way to find consensus and move forward with an organized plan?

therkenddrick.bsky.social•95 days ago

Repost

dbc105.bsky.social•95 days ago

George, notice how the morning talking heads on MSNBC always use percentages because that ignores actual counts and it makes Trump's win look bigger than it is. Fact is 10million that voted 2020 didn't vote 2024 most of those not voting for a woman. It is that simple.

tx2nh.bsky.social•95 days ago

We won’t see a two-term president anytime soon

muellershewrote.bsky.social•95 days ago

Any agenda too extreme will face backlash? Excuse me? Is Trump not too extreme?

linconroy.bsky.social•95 days ago

Trump has successfully made half of this country numb to his extremism and normalized it all within the last 9 years. It's pretty scary. Unless us Dems start fighting and pushing back in scale and style as the R's have, we don't stand a chance.

smarterthanawaffle.bsky.social•95 days ago

Yeah, snark is part of the problem by distorting issues. We found that out in the bad place.

nekoraxvimpe.com•95 days ago

To the right, he is the second coming [of Hitler].

canadianbacon66.bsky.social•95 days ago

He is. But who has the balls to stop him ?

ravenna321.bsky.social•95 days ago

I do! Just tell me how and I'm on it!

canadianbacon66.bsky.social•95 days ago

And if I did, you and me both would be arrested 😂

canadianbacon66.bsky.social•95 days ago

It’s up to the GOP

momopickles.bsky.social•95 days ago

Oh dear…

ravenna321.bsky.social•95 days ago

I can't believe that's true. I feel like with all the brilliant minds on here there has to be something substantial and impactful to do, build a huge metaphorical alarm clock to wake the other side the eff up.

billvabeach.bsky.social•95 days ago

Backlash? Democratic Leadership can't even provide an effective front lash and they're still in power

tomhankks.bsky.social•95 days ago

Not to people who only watch Fox, or don't watch political news at all.

johnnynovio.bsky.social•95 days ago

Yes for the "smart" people but Trump hasn't done anything to actually hurt his MAGA (misinformed/malcontents), once they are hurt, they will backlash.

balter54.bsky.social•95 days ago

Your comments are very true but Trump will continue to test the waters.

collectivecolorwe.bsky.social•95 days ago

Dude is for me! But I feel I was on the right side of this vote…against trumpism

nidula.bsky.social•95 days ago

The ridiculousness of people trying to assert that it’s ok Musk bought the election via cash and algorithm and Trump who tried to overthrow the last election is somehow fucking normal is sickening. Still not ready to engage w/this shit!

catvision.bsky.social•95 days ago

Exactly. Who can nail down perspective in this late hour?

sc-blues.bsky.social•95 days ago

Way too extremely dangerous.

phill.hallambaker.com•95 days ago

The problem is that the smooth brains can't comprehend the fact that Trump *really is a rapist* and that he really does intend to do all the weird, evil and plain stupid shit he talked about in the campaign.

They think it is all a great big joke and they are 'owning the libs'.

phill.hallambaker.com•95 days ago

What the smooth brains don't understand is that from a financial point of view, woke libs are the group most likely to see any benefits from Trumpian policies: They are the ones going to be screwed.

heidijon.bsky.social•95 days ago

Is ‘backlash’ a word for kissing the ring at mar a lago?

themarklunn.bsky.social•95 days ago

The Overton pendulum swings wider and wider

carolesioux.bsky.social•95 days ago

Excluding white men who are clinging to their top dog status.

skepticalbeans.bsky.social•95 days ago

It certainly won’t face backlash from the pre-compliance machine that is the media.

federalworker.bsky.social•95 days ago

Extremer

csommersko.bsky.social•95 days ago

I don't think one would have to dig very deep before electronic manipulation with this election would peek out from the darkness.

cryhardergroomers.bsky.social•95 days ago

Cry harder, George

medseabreeze.bsky.social•93 days ago

The US is not a democracy or a republic--the EC is a joke.

kimeckert.bsky.social•95 days ago

We're NOT that divided.
More people, 68%, eligible to vote 𝙙𝙞𝙙 *𝙣𝙤𝙩* 𝙫𝙤𝙩𝙚 𝙛𝙤𝙧 𝙏𝙧𝙪𝙢𝙥.

When put in perspective it makes the next 4 years easier to bear as we work together to preserve the democratic republic Founding Fathers laid the foundations for in creating USofA.
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2024-11-15/how-many-people-didnt-vote-in-the-2024-election

mshaino1984.bsky.social•95 days ago

Biden also won Michigan and Pennsylvania

geanieg.bsky.social•95 days ago

As a Canadian, I am always baffled by the electoral college system.

bigg95973.bsky.social•95 days ago

Only a thoroughly brainwashed person would vote for a candidate like DT, it’s the only explanation.

capecodcritter.bsky.social•95 days ago

Make the backlash yuge!
Push back, push back, push back!

fairyg.bsky.social•94 days ago

The only way to move the USA forward instead of back five thousand years every four or eight years is to let One Citizen = One Vote instead of the unknown unsupervised mystery of the Electorate. A horrible mistake by the founding fathers to allow Tyranny by Minority.

catetheblue.bsky.social•95 days ago

More than that when Bubba finds out memaw's social security check has been confiscated and is gone.

section9.bsky.social•95 days ago

If we *have* to keep it, I wish we could use the congressional district model that Maine and Nebraska use.

dougwiser.bsky.social•95 days ago

Any agenda will face backlash

Fixed that for you

socinvestigator.bsky.social•93 days ago

Backlash won't matter except maybe in small ways--like Gaetz. So what, there are more just like him to choose.

chrisagilbert.bsky.social•94 days ago

Abolish the electoral college

dickritchie.bsky.social•95 days ago

I genuinely think you're right. It's career suicide for many red congressmen and women to go drastically against very popular social programs that affect them directly.

thequietamerican.bsky.social•95 days ago

The best election system is proportional representation, based on the popular vote - not a perfect system but the least worse.
This engenders cooperation across the aisle, more moderate policies and candidates more palatable to everyone.

historycat.bsky.social•95 days ago

Which is why there won't be anymore elections. They know they won't be able to do any of P2025 and win an election.

So there are not going to be free and fair elections anymore.

typoknig.bsky.social•95 days ago

It doesnt matter. Reality no longer matters. Its just a thing liberals point at.

eitrivolstagg152.bsky.social•95 days ago

Fortunately for Sweet Potato Hitler, white US "centrists" fear socialism (which is a thing what they don't know what it is) more than fascism.

chrisodell.bsky.social•95 days ago

This is an *extremely* stupid way to elect a president for a nation of nearly 350 million people.

feelingantsy.bsky.social•95 days ago

Does that make it a good or a poor electoral system?

lsa207.bsky.social•94 days ago

I didn't notice much 'backlash' against Trump last time around - or since, for that matter. In fact, the American people decided to elect him again, for some reason passing understanding

melissalea.bsky.social•94 days ago

I think if Harris had won off the bat, we would be in a civil war. MAGA was ready to start a revolution when he thought he was gonna lose. I am afraid of what that would have looked like, as much as I fear the next 4 years.

ncbears.bsky.social•95 days ago

The margin does not matter. When the GOP has the power, it uses it and acts like it has a huge mandate, although usually limited to tax cuts, e.g. 2001 and 2017, since that is what they really care about.

moonbeamsassafrass.bsky.social•95 days ago

Must read. Possible explanation
https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941

victorytwin.bsky.social•94 days ago

The one thing that is being overlooked is the number of ballots that have been rejected or challenged or cast and NOT ACCOUNTED FOR and or mailed to other states….

larsb6one.bsky.social•95 days ago

No mandate. None

rini1983.bsky.social•95 days ago

Every vote counts! I think that's why people are going to have such a hard time forgiving the "conscientious" obstainers of whatever they want to call themselves.

tripeee.bsky.social•95 days ago

My wish is that rumps regime will tank the economy and botch a natural or global disaster scenario and things go downhill very quickly. I’m not rich so taxes don’t bother me. I’ve always lived within my means so some economic hardship won’t affect me too much. Careful what you wish for MAGA.

irisab.bsky.social•95 days ago

This says more about a weird electoral system than about the polarization of the US.

phormium.bsky.social•95 days ago

Time to boycott swing states! Or T**** strrongholds in each, anyway.

frogviolet.bsky.social•95 days ago

Amend that fucking EC out of existence!

dublj.bsky.social•94 days ago

If we could only get the non-voters to get up and vote

ravensaid.bsky.social•95 days ago

1) abolish the electoral college
2) mandatory retirement age for elected roles: 72.
3) no lifetime appointments to SCOTUS; 10 year terms with possible 1-5 year extension by straight up unanimous Senate vote
4) if you're a convicted felon, you can't run for anything
5) I haven't figured out the rest

kanngera.bsky.social•95 days ago

The Electoral College should be abolished.
Even though Trump still would have won this term overall it is BS.

rogus69.bsky.social•95 days ago

The existence of the electoral college suppresses vote!

smittathon.bsky.social•95 days ago

And, it’s gonna be glorious! The backlash, that is.

mepersuit.bsky.social•95 days ago

I still want to know what he meant he didn't need people to vote because they had more than enough.

mwalker99.bsky.social•95 days ago

Yeah, me too.

pearlmygirl.bsky.social•95 days ago

Me too. It was massive fraud

pragprog.bsky.social•95 days ago

Most people, including people who do this for a living like Marc Elias, have said there is no evidence of any fraud. But…there was an intense disinformation campaign bankrolled by Musk and the other usual suspects.

mepersuit.bsky.social•95 days ago

I hear you and read them often. I still have a little suspicion and I agree with the disinformation campaign that poisoned the American people's brains.

shatzi.bsky.social•95 days ago

And it worked.

feministpolitico.bsky.social•94 days ago

I see lawyers denouncing any possibility of election software tampering. I don't see computer scientists saying the same thing. Respectfully, from experience, attorney's are *anything* but tech savvy. How could they possibly know about hacking software when they can't update their Wordpress website?

feministpolitico.bsky.social•94 days ago

It means he knew he had systems in place to digitally "capture" as many votes as he needed to "win." That's what it means. The system software was hacked or tampered with and when he was sure it was ready to roll, he began stating how he had "all the votes he needs; I have plenty of votes."

cinquantotto.bsky.social•95 days ago

https://www.planetcritical.com/p/cyber-security-experts-warn-election-hacked

maro67.bsky.social•95 days ago

LOL, you beat me to it!

cinquantotto.bsky.social•94 days ago

Nothing will be done because the democrats don't want people to lose faith in elections. Unfortunately, there won't be any more elections, Trump said it himself.

socinvestigator.bsky.social•93 days ago

Potential evidence of hacking exists but Dems, Lincoln Project & others w/influence refuse to check it out. Not sure why they'd rather hand our country to a felon dictator than perform normal due diligence.

moshiemoshie.bsky.social•95 days ago

The usage of the word extreme 🤣

Didn’t know if I wanted to cry or laugh. Decided to laugh instead.

petersonchris.bsky.social•95 days ago

After two more years of criminal overreach by Trump with his false mandate, if Dems haven't formulated a plan to retake both chambers they need to hang it up. It's a wrap.

faultguy.bsky.social•95 days ago

I have no confidence the current DNC leadership can lead us to retake either chamber.

gjeanie.bsky.social•95 days ago

RE-taking the house in 26 is likely, but with 2 senators per state regardless of population as a rule, the senate is alot more difficult. These arcane rules are destroying us.

socinvestigator.bsky.social•93 days ago

They're done now. In addition to their unwillingness to #Recount the Senate just made a deal to give the felon 4 appellate judge seats to fill. We know how much 45 loves appeals.

mariaeandreu.bsky.social•95 days ago

Yeah. If we have an actual election in 2028, maybe this'll help.

docwest.bsky.social•95 days ago

Disagree. Trump ran on an extreme agenda and won. Anything but implementation of the extreme agenda will likely be viewed as a failure to honor promises made. That does not mean they have thought thru the 2nd/3rd order But they should be given what they asked for in full force. FAFO applies

askme99.bsky.social•94 days ago

What's depressing is that there were about 7 million voters who voted for Biden but didn't vote for Harris. They didn't switch to Douche bag Drumpf because it receive about the same as it did in 2020. Sadder is the 80 million who never vote.

amalola.bsky.social•94 days ago

@gtconway.bsky.social your thoughts on modern day validity of Electoral College system please?

eurofella.bsky.social•95 days ago

And nobody wants the recount. Weird. I would want that.

menenkim.bsky.social•95 days ago

We need to have an option other than the electoral college. 80% of Americans are being disenfranchised-tyranny of the few-i know Trump got popular vote this time but millions didn’t even vote-I like this model as an alternative as more would vote: https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/written-explanation

nr79.bsky.social•95 days ago

So basically Trump running from a second or third debate screwed Harris.
Just like we didn’t get any of his trials.
The electorate was misinformed

socinvestigator.bsky.social•93 days ago

Psychological warfare, they've been inundated with. The rest of us to some degree too. Far more ahead.

fourgrands.bsky.social•95 days ago

FEWER! Things that you can count like votes, fewer. Hegeseth is LESS qualified than one of Conway’s Corgies!

bruceadler.bsky.social•95 days ago

Ian's math is faulty. Trump won the EC by less than 129K votes (not 230K).

WI (15K), MI (41K), and PA (73K).

If the difference is 30K, only 15K+1 votes have to be flipped to change the winner.

johnnyt2021.bsky.social•95 days ago

Exactly this - and everyone initially was freaking out about a mandate and dissecting everything the Democratic Party did wrong. It’s just variance - too many dems stayed home this cycle. The GOP lost in 2018, 2020, and 2022 and they ran the same candidate and won. It’s just variance

dumpdrumpf.bsky.social•95 days ago

Mandate, schmandate!

braveofheart.bsky.social•95 days ago

If ONE in SIXTY-THREE Trump voters in WI/MI/PA had pulled the lever for Harris, she would have won.
Imagine getting 63 Trump voters in a room...don't you think it would be pretty easy to flip one of them...if not five?
This was close.

callmeoz.bsky.social•95 days ago

The EC is fundamentally broken, and not administered anywhere near how originally intended. It should be investigated with an intent to update it to a popular vote mandate. Include either runoff elections, or ranked choice ballots.

jminer.bsky.social•95 days ago

There will be no backlash when the moderates of the party in control fear for their safety, as Mitt Romney has told us they do. We are in for a long, hard fight.

donutjtrump.bsky.social•95 days ago

I’m from WI I’m again so sick that we gave a psychopath the keys to our country again!

adamuncamus.bsky.social•94 days ago

Looking on across the Atlantic from Ireland, hard to understand why the electoral college system isn’t overhauled. Seems strange that a handful of states determine the outcome every time.

unclefister.bsky.social•95 days ago

Kamala and Coach Walz should cruise to victory in 2028

lkl0007.bsky.social•95 days ago

It is important that voters in the swing states who used mail-in ballots and supported Kamala Harris visit https://vote.org website and verify that their ballots were delivered and counted. Please repost, especially if you live in a swing state.

socinvestigator.bsky.social•93 days ago

AP article from a couple days ago, some precincts are receiving ballots that were mis-delivered to other states. Hmmmm

lkl0007.bsky.social•93 days ago

Mail-in ballots are the most vulnerable to possible manipulation

socinvestigator.bsky.social•92 days ago

I heard about instances where those weren't scanned in, but ultimately elections workers corrected that. Not getting to where they're supposed to go by the deadline is kind of a problem too. ☹️ I've heard some ppl saying their ballot was never received. Not heard anything about how common that was.

unheardnomore.bsky.social•94 days ago

End the Electoral College. It is undemocratic.

laurentguy.bsky.social•95 days ago

It’s obviously not a mandate in a quantitative sense. But this will not stop Trump from claiming one. And the media will cheer him on.

empress73.bsky.social•94 days ago

They must demolish the electoral college. So few states shouldn't hold the power of all Americans because the consequences can be deadly

ttownwa.bsky.social•94 days ago

So...plenty of folks are pissed that our votes from other states are largely ignored. I really like what Nebraska? Does... and time to retire the electoral college

tirednotwired.bsky.social•94 days ago

The margin was so thin that an anti-genocide stance could have actually won them the Presidency in 2024. Alas, all hail Israel!

chrissymom77.bsky.social•95 days ago

Most voted for him because of inflation but I really think people who voted for him forgot what a horrible president he was. The high price of groceries etc wasn’t a good enough reason to vote for a corrupt con man back in office. They’ll all regret it but we all have to suffer the consequences.

hdibo.bsky.social•94 days ago

I fear short of completely destroying the economy- which is very possible- Rs control the narrative for now. Nothing on Trumps criminality or autocratic leanings made a difference. He successfully did away with norms -WHILE OUT OF OFFICE. D's need to really absurd this reality and play a new game

hdibo.bsky.social•94 days ago

Trump won swing states by 5x Biden's margin and 3x his previous margin. Not a good sign for Dems, particularly when viewed in conjunction w/Tester and Casey losing their seats and the widening margins in R favor in FL/TX. Gallego gives me hope, but there is a lot of work to do.

brandyalexandre.bsky.social•95 days ago

In your learned opinion, what WOULD it take to abolish the EC?

islandtides.bsky.social•95 days ago

biden also won wi pa mi

stevepuma.bsky.social•95 days ago

I f*cking HATE the Electoral College.

northstarwarrior.bsky.social•95 days ago

Let’s just split the land mass. They can have the eastern half and we’ll take the western half. Done and done. Problem solved.

opensourceideas.bsky.social•95 days ago

#recount #forensicaudit

shazyyz.bsky.social•93 days ago

In 2024, this is an absurd and stupid way to elect a President!

correctquestion.bsky.social•95 days ago

"Any agenda viewed as extreme is likely to face backlash"

Ooooh! A "backlash" you say??

Sorry, but Trump rules the GOP, and thus all branches of gov't. He THINKS he won by a landslide/has a mandate and he THRIVES on "backlash"

Sorry but I'm feeling cynical this morning

@ianbassin.bsky.social

socinvestigator.bsky.social•93 days ago

Right, backlash to what? Nothing is too extreme, as we see, for laws & electeds to allow when it comes to this felon & his GOP perverts & henchmen.

jaderydererhard.bsky.social•94 days ago

89 million registered voters didn't vote. Why? Nothing seen as important to them? Irrelevant to their lives? Confused? Disconnected? I dont buy that more specific agenda, such as a progressive one, would not be of interest. It would need info, engagement, and sell to their needs.

rodtorrez.bsky.social•95 days ago

Provided that we are brave enough to backlash. We should be preparing now.

ptshanman.bsky.social•95 days ago

Makes much more sense than it being decided by the popular vote 🙄

nrunky.bsky.social•95 days ago

Trump failure is inevitable, appointing idiot sychophants will not create success

tom0602.bsky.social•94 days ago

His appointments make perfect sense when you realize the long term plan for Republicans is to make federal government a disaster, so citizens will be ok with cutting it.

pgasp.bsky.social•95 days ago

Biden wins by 7 million votes = “rigged”
Donnie wins by about 2.5 million = overwhelming mandate

realdeal64.bsky.social•95 days ago

Trump didnt win in WI in 2016.

estherclark.bsky.social•95 days ago

Trump did not win a majority of the popular vote. More people voted against him than for him by a small margin.

daddo21.bsky.social•95 days ago

3 States should not have all of the power to dictate the President for the country. What's the point in the other states voting if this is always the outcome?

oakbrook.bsky.social•95 days ago

We need to MAKE it face backlash ... big time backlash!!

thejadedmillennial.bsky.social•95 days ago

It's almost as if the electoral college and Senate only exist to benefit the far right wing in this country.

The center right wing democrats have such a mediocre hill to climb.

Meanwhile the workers and families of America have no representation.

coolsportsguy.bsky.social•95 days ago

78k->45k->235k is an ass kicking

atticusdad.bsky.social•95 days ago

Hillary received 3m more votes than Drumpf. Biden received 7m more votes than Drumpf. Drumpf received less than 50% of the popular votes in 2024 and the margin of votes Drumpf received in 2024 is within the margin of error. Not an ass kicking unless you mean Drumpf getting his ass kicked.

frenchbully.bsky.social•95 days ago

Considering how mad people have been over inflation, it’s really not much of an ass kicking. I think if the GOP had nominated a normie it would have been an absolute landslide.

bigdigger.bsky.social•95 days ago

100%. Not saying I would have loved that but if they put literally any of the Republicans from the primary debates (with the exception of maybe Vivaek) it actually would have been a landslide imo.

georgeabington.bsky.social•95 days ago

95% of those who voted for Trump didn't do so based on economic reasons but based on hate and bigotry. The entire Trump campaign was about hating immigrants and transgenders.

wilsonmarkc.bsky.social•95 days ago

There is no way to prove this, and reasons for making a binary choice are usually much more complicated. I don't think it is a useful line of discussion. He will mess up badly, and the D party needs to organize itself to take advantage.

coolsportsguy.bsky.social•95 days ago

This

coolsportsguy.bsky.social•95 days ago

I don’t think so. Exit polls showed that 35% votes with the economy in mind. They simply punished Biden for inflation.

topazscorpioma.bsky.social•94 days ago

So these same folks claim the economy was good under Trump so why did they vote him out in 2020 by pretty much the same number in WI, MI and PA that they voted against Harris? 255K against Trump, 230K against Harris.

nr79.bsky.social•95 days ago

Considering 54% said they were doing better than they did 4 years ago. It wasn’t really the economy.
No one can tell polsters what trump’s economic policies were or what he was proposing now.

jannwoolsey.bsky.social•95 days ago

They “said” the economy in exit polls.

georgeabington.bsky.social•95 days ago

People lie about the reason they vote, of course no one would say I hate brown and black immigrants and transgenders and that's the reason I voted for Trump. The entire Trump campaign from rallies to ads was all about immigrants and transgenders, economy was way down on their list.

salkis52.bsky.social•94 days ago

Truth

brandyalexandre.bsky.social•95 days ago

When they and their buddies lie and call in bombs threats throughout election day, it's not a true win. They got the trophy, but are still losers. I kept seeing people repeat the claim inflation was 20% when it's under 3%. There should be a test for MAGAs to vote like they used to try for blacks.

terrylong.bsky.social•95 days ago

Yeah, he won in EXACTLY the right places, with EXACTLY enough votes to mathematically win the election, but not enough to plausibly win a mandate or the down ballot races.

jessrabid.bsky.social•94 days ago

Rambo has made the most cogent and persuasive argument. We lost because we ran a shitty candidate, during a shitty economy, who was unwilling (or unempowered) to a) confess her complicity in tanking it and b) propose a plan for restoring it. It really is as simple as that. No conspiracies.

jessrabid.bsky.social•94 days ago

2/. We won the down ballots because we ran good candidates. Had we run, say, Shapiro, it would not have been close. He would have ended Maga. Instead, we ran a woefully inept candidate who, if we’re honest, never should have been VP in the first place…

jessrabid.bsky.social•94 days ago

3/ …and, it could be argued, had there been a VP with a scintilla of competency, we’d not have given them a shitty immigration situation and an even shittier economy with which to beat us about the head and shoulders. Candidate quality is key…not the colour of one’s party affiliation.

topazscorpioma.bsky.social•94 days ago

The stats above are not comparing the same states in 2020. Biden won WI, MI and PA by 255,425.

gopsux2.bsky.social•95 days ago

Funny. MAGAts say the Electoral College is needed because they don’t want NY + CA to be determinative in our elections. But they’re fine when WI, MI + PA decide another one in their favor.

pragprog.bsky.social•95 days ago

Out of 153 million votes it’s not an ass kicking.

eddiewojo.bsky.social•95 days ago

It's insane to me that Dems lost WI, MI and PA by those amounts. It should have been a walk for the Dems and not even close. People are stupid.

socinvestigator.bsky.social•93 days ago

And/or hackers did their job.

rogus69.bsky.social•95 days ago

Why are we not hearing more from our democratic leaders, about actions they are actually taking now, and until Jan 20? Hate to say it but, they should be spiking the trees, so to speak!

americanpatriot.bsky.social•95 days ago

The Media was handed information on the worst candidate ever for office (Trump) and a qualified candidate (Kamala) on a silver platter.

They chose to 1) ignore the failures of Trump & normalize him, and 2) criticize Kamala & ignore the Biden Administration’s successes.

The Media failed The People.

antiquequaalude.bsky.social•94 days ago

The EC is one of the worst decisions the founders made. The Senate is probably equally bad.

egodestruction.bsky.social•94 days ago

Short honeymoon for a President that aims to rock the economy by shocking the labor market and implementing tariffs.

wendyreed.bsky.social•95 days ago

AUDIT THE BULLET BALLOTS! If it's not a problem, show us.
https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941t

pearlmygirl.bsky.social•95 days ago

So let’s just fucking divide it, we’ll never get along

tinmanbs.bsky.social•95 days ago

Considering even in blue states we're largely a land of blue dots in red seas, are you thinking we should drag those swarms of red counties along with us? Maybe we could just go back to city states. What could possibly go wrong with that?

socinvestigator.bsky.social•93 days ago

Yes, let's let some states become part of Canada.

sb100.bsky.social•95 days ago

Not sure you're aware of this but had to pass it along in case you hadn't seen it (Jessica Denson interview with cybersecurity expert Susan Greenhalgh):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8tQ_OQoVbs

cololisa.bsky.social•95 days ago

George, how the fuck did Trump win all of the swing states? Election fraud?

https://www.planetcritical.com/p/cyber-security-experts-warn-election-hacked?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1UqMQdvR7Ax0VD6gQFsXJIgSZuA2NESFgUvpzubdAj02I2hZSz5Ucd-nQ_aem_k7LgLmdS1pimNMlbyqZrfA

cdelder.bsky.social•95 days ago

Thank you, so many outlets focus on how the Democrats had fewer voters than in 2020, but acted like Trump numbers didn't also dimmish.

blbarden.bsky.social•95 days ago

Palestinian protestors got what they wanted.

liberationnow.bsky.social•94 days ago

Not really, no.

sandrawin.bsky.social•95 days ago

Don’t understand why she conceded. They should have demanded recounts. The republic deserves better than the shitshow that’s going to begin 1/20/2025

celticharper.bsky.social•95 days ago

...and the backlashers are likely to face...?

heidelyn.bsky.social•94 days ago

Per the Univ of Florida Election Lab (11/19), ~36% of the US voting-eligible population didn't vote in the 2024 election. Per the Cook Report (11/18), 49.94% of voters chose Trump. Trump did not even win a majority of the 64% of Americans who voted. It was a "squeaker" (1.7 points), not a "mandate."

ladyeng48.bsky.social•95 days ago

The presidency was decided by folks who sat this out. I wish every single Trump policy that will ruin their lives upon each and every one of them. Yes I am fucking bitter.

wwheisenberg.bsky.social•95 days ago

The Trumplicans think they have a broad mandate. I just hope the left is ready to resist.

jayt.bsky.social•95 days ago

I still can't believe that those 230k voters thought the orange shitgibbon was a better option

keylimekelly.bsky.social•94 days ago

I’m so sick of our fate being left up to a handful of swing states.

cinquantotto.bsky.social•95 days ago

https://www.planetcritical.com/p/cyber-security-experts-warn-election-hacked

socinvestigator.bsky.social•93 days ago

He knows about this potential hacking. Lincoln Project is one of the groups that told us to shut up about it.

Good article. Thx

wanda27.bsky.social•95 days ago

Every President makes the mistake of coming into office thinking he has a “mandate.”
He’s already overreaching with his cabinet picks.

tobifrenzen.bsky.social•95 days ago

And it wasn’t the voting machines that were hacked to get to this particular outcome, it was the minds of very specific groups of the electorate, over years, using micro-targeting platforms for churches like this one, funded by the Koch brothers👇🏼

socinvestigator.bsky.social•93 days ago

Psychological warfare I heard someone on here call it. I agree. Combined with computer system hacking just to be sure.

tobifrenzen.bsky.social•93 days ago

I called it that too. You might be interested in this thread 👇🏼

https://bsky.app/profile/tobifrenzen.bsky.social/post/3lbgkimf6bk2y

socinvestigator.bsky.social•93 days ago

Read & forwarded. Thx. I'm aware of a lot of this, but never put it in the context of psychological warfare until recently.

lonestargooner.bsky.social•94 days ago

Still playing by the old rules, I see.🤔

furryfelix.bsky.social•95 days ago

The USA electoral system stinks. How about some changes such as compulsory voting and voting on a Saturday for starters? It is NOT democracy, when the future of the nation is decided by pinch of the population.

amiemcwayne.bsky.social•95 days ago

Abolish the EC.

syyoungman.bsky.social•95 days ago

True. However I hope someone can explain why the total votes counted fell by over 10M votes between 2020 and 2024. It’s as if many folks stayed home. Based on the margins these are probably mostly Biden voters. So much for the GOTV campaign.

conscience4.bsky.social•93 days ago

COVID for one. Voter suppression for another. Apathy for both parties a third.

socinvestigator.bsky.social•93 days ago

IF there are future elections, far fewer ppl will vote. No point in participating in sham elections--which is what we now have if this one isn't recounted.

mathdemocrat.bsky.social•94 days ago

49.9% of the vote in the most favorable environment possible, a year when every incumbent party in every democracy that had an election lost voter share.

poglan.bsky.social•95 days ago

There has never been a “mandate” for MAGA.

poglan.bsky.social•95 days ago

Progressives and Anti-Trump voters:

Check out the new FREE cultural piece from Reinventing The Wheel!

We explore the concerning right-wing shift the country experienced the past four years and look to solutions to take back the future. 👇

https://open.substack.com/pub/reinventhewheel/p/we-happened-5-signs-the-culture-was?r=4p9ldb&utm_medium=ios

kt2690.bsky.social•95 days ago

It’s a shift to tribalism.

betp.bsky.social•95 days ago

Biden won MI and PA too

pewshamred.bsky.social•95 days ago

Pennsylvania the Swing state with the Musk PAC lottery hmm ?

northsleuth.bsky.social•95 days ago

Using the popular vote would shift the dynamics to large cities and urban areas selecting the President. I believe the EC is the correct method, but requires work on the gerrymandering abuse.

Goal is to represent all Americans. Urban and rural have many priority differences,, and many the same.

runrunchase.bsky.social•94 days ago

George...Trump won Miami Dade County by 11 points. Florida is now ruby red. He won back Arizona and Georgia. He flipped Nevada. He'll, he won Passaic and Glouster counties in New Jersey. The Democrats need to see this as a drubbing. A beat down. The need to find their next Clinton or Obama.

filitup.bsky.social•95 days ago

What’s the plan George?

peasandthankyou.bsky.social•95 days ago

Any “mandate” is just an illusion caused by the outdated and should be eliminated, electoral college.

stoicthinker2025.bsky.social•94 days ago

If there were a zombie apocalypse in America, would you lay down and die? No, keep fighting.

lilith42.bsky.social•95 days ago

I know that the backlash is coming. They are obviously setting up ways to suppress us. I am a bit concerned about those who surrender in advance. But let us not give up!

indep4country.bsky.social•95 days ago

Just think what the results would have been if the media wasn’t such a disaster.

tinmanbs.bsky.social•95 days ago

I wonder if MSM (i.e. non-Fox/Sinclair) matters anymore. Can you guess how many votes Harris might have picked up if the WaPo endorsement hadn't been quashed. About a hundred, maybe? The electorate was the real disaster.

doggrandma.bsky.social•95 days ago

The electoral college should have been abolished years ago. Every other position in politics, contests, etc. the most votes win!!!

wookietim.bsky.social•94 days ago

Somehow that doesn't help make Trump's win any more acceptable.

shelleyfree.bsky.social•95 days ago

no—it’s a mandate! 😉

lynnchristian.bsky.social•95 days ago

Do you really believe that republicans in Congress listen to their constituents? My two senators (Marshall and Moran) are trump mouthpieces.

jessrabid.bsky.social•94 days ago

It is an interesting stroll through mathematics, but in the end, we ran a shitty candidate for a job where perception of competency in the mind of the US voter is not only central, it is requisite. It was a mistake. Hopefully one that holds a lesson in the blister.

wtfpolitics1.bsky.social•95 days ago

Where is the recount????

crygon56.bsky.social•94 days ago

Doesnt that describe everything Trump wants to do in the Revenge Tour 2.0? And from another post you made that i cant find now your Corgi is qualified for Starfleet Academy and would make a great UN ambassador

rpsagainsttrump.bsky.social•95 days ago

No matter how many times Trump says it, this was NOT a “landslide victory”

ohmyyeah.bsky.social•95 days ago

I took health phone calls for two years during this abortion ban, I worried about those ladies , they made their choice. I don’t have to worry about them any longer. Pregnancy ladies, you’re on your own. You voted for it Maga, and now I’m free. I don’t have to worry about you no more.

dasquires1.bsky.social•95 days ago

This is SO important.

mblehrhoff.bsky.social•95 days ago

The country will rush back to Democrats to save it after Trump's extremism destroys the economy and our social fabric. If elections are still an option at that point.

ravenna321.bsky.social•95 days ago

What does 'backlash' look like?

ellenmarie.bsky.social•95 days ago

I keep seeing the numbers broken down different ways and proof his win was not a landslide, but I no longer give a damn. All I care about is taking the house in 2026, and ensuring his departure in 2028.

mvucdaggie.bsky.social•95 days ago

In response to the extreme comment. Is Trans hate wrapped up in total BS lies not extreme? We had non-stop extremeTed Cruz ads promoting a lie the entire election cycle.

the92.bsky.social•95 days ago

The electoral college needs to go. Why is the country constantly being held hostage by the least educated among you?

kaehlys.bsky.social•95 days ago

But we can't bin the EC because then New York and California will decide the elections... 😒 🙄 (/s for safety)

sgl-1960.bsky.social•95 days ago

Yep
Red mandate indeed
This is why there will be no vote , or at least a legitimate vote in 2028
Maybe even by 2026 when their flawed policies are visible

piscespoet.bsky.social•94 days ago

The antiquated and un-democratic electoral college needs to go.

sonny1011.bsky.social•95 days ago

Diaper Donald's wasn't extreme?! Corporate donor-owned, centrist Democrats handed the country to Trump by ignoring the working class. Bernie Sanders was right all along.

socinvestigator.bsky.social•93 days ago

Yep, Dems ignore progressives even tho that's what voters want--progressive policies. Now they're silent. Just accepting results of an election that was likely hacked & giving our govt to a felon dictator & his pervert oligarchy.

marcalyn.bsky.social•95 days ago

the only election in my life that was a clear mandate on which side should govern was 2008.

wrigglies1906.bsky.social•94 days ago

It was a fix

msgonzal55.bsky.social•95 days ago

Kamala lost Michigan due to lack of support from the Muslim community in Dearborn and surrounding area. I read she never went to Dearborn to reach out and address concerns with the Palestine/Israeli conflict. Meanwhile, Trump claims to have visited Gaza several times, which of course is false. 🙄

ampedup.bsky.social•95 days ago

https://www.planetcritical.com/p/cyber-security-experts-warn-election-hacked i'm just going to leave this here

senninsage.bsky.social•95 days ago

Why are you leaving out the well over 150,000+ vote win Biden got in Michigan, or the over 80K+ win he got in Pennsylvania?

Trump barely scraped by with the presidency with PA, MI, and WI in 2016. Biden won it running away with states he didn't even need like Georgia and Arizona. Trump was crushed

senninsage.bsky.social•95 days ago

There is no scenario where Trump's victory in 2016 was a more comfortable one than Biden's win in 2020 like you attempted to portray with your post here.

jujubluestate.bsky.social•95 days ago

Who will lead the backlash??? The MAGAs in Congress???

charinarusso.bsky.social•95 days ago

George, it’s insane that the fate of the country hinges on 7 swing states. It feels like being held hostage. Candidates focus on just 7 states, leaving the rest of the country ignored, all while we endure endless campaigning and this nerve-wracking process.

socinvestigator.bsky.social•93 days ago

Political parties are just money-sucking machines to keep oligarchs in power. The longer the campaigns the more $$$ they grab. This campaign was 2 years b/cause 45 started early to keep himself in the spotlight, continue his verbal warfare & stay out of jail.

basuradeldesierto.bsky.social•95 days ago

The sad thing, I have 5 very close friends who did not vote at all - and usually vote Democrat - because of Kamala’s stance on Israel. I do believe Israel was part of the reason she missed by 1-2% in all of those counties where Biden did better in 2020.